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If indicting Trump now, meant losing both the House and Senate this November. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Sep 2022 OP
No. MatthewG. Sep 2022 #1
I don't see that as a possible outcome. tavernier Sep 2022 #2
Choose. That's the point of the post. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #4
Why is it 'the point of the post'? NanceGreggs Sep 2022 #13
Nothing, But I did get an answer. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #26
No way, holding those Houses is too important, more so than IQ45's indictment imho (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2022 #3
Not to be too snarky, but.. thomski64 Sep 2022 #9
Wut? Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #20
Maybe I'm greedy but I want to indict Trump AND win the House and Senate Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #5
Not to mention, additional hearings may further shift opinion with more people agreeing karynnj Sep 2022 #25
I totally agree Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #31
No. Not a hard choice. OnDoutside Sep 2022 #6
Indict him when the case is ready, not before. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #7
The Fear Factor ... Xoan Sep 2022 #8
No way Garland, or a grand jury, indicts before Election Day. But ruining the holidays for the Trump OrlandoDem2 Sep 2022 #10
Oh, Hell No! Native Sep 2022 #11
If indicting Trump after the elections meant Dems keep house and senate, what would you choose? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #12
I do not believe indicting Trump now would hurt the Democrats this November. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #14
It isn't an either or argument, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #15
Ridiculous question. kacekwl Sep 2022 #16
There is a real possibility BlueIdaho Sep 2022 #17
Indicting him now would likely keep both chambers in control of the Democrats. LiberalFighter Sep 2022 #18
NO if given that choice aeromanKC Sep 2022 #19
Absolutely not snowybirdie Sep 2022 #21
We lose Congress, Democracy is at stake empedocles Sep 2022 #22
I consider that a false binomial choice...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #23
Absolutely not!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2022 #24
I would musclecar6 Sep 2022 #27
Have you been listening to ANYTHING the Republicans have been saying about what will happen GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #28
No...absoulutely not. The elections are so important. Trump is not the only one coming after Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #29
No. rownesheck Sep 2022 #30

MatthewG.

(362 posts)
1. No.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:19 AM
Sep 2022

I don’t think the trade-off would be this clean, but if that’s the choice, I’d wait on the indictment. The election will be over soon enough, and indictment is just the beginning of a long process.

tavernier

(12,410 posts)
2. I don't see that as a possible outcome.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:19 AM
Sep 2022

In fact, it could go in the opposite direction. Poles show that the majority of Americans want something done about him soon!

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
26. Nothing, But I did get an answer.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:31 AM
Sep 2022

It looks like most people believe, given the choose, believe keeping control of congress is more important than indicting Trump now. That was the point of my post. This was not a test, it was not a trick question. It was a hypothetical question. I got an answer.

Mr. Ected

(9,674 posts)
5. Maybe I'm greedy but I want to indict Trump AND win the House and Senate
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:21 AM
Sep 2022

And if we hold off on the indictments until after mid-terms there's a damned good chance we can have our cake and eat it too.

Fill in the down time with some incendiary J6 hearings and that's exactly what may happen.

But if it boiled down to a choice, there isn't one. We need to be in charge of Congress. We can always circle back to Trump.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
25. Not to mention, additional hearings may further shift opinion with more people agreeing
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:27 AM
Sep 2022

that Trump and his administration did unforgivable things. To some degree, this long public recounting of what happened and the FBI raid's results could be what is needed to slowly move a significant amount of Republicans to drop their allegiance to Trump. I suspect that was also one purpose of Biden's speech.

Mr. Ected

(9,674 posts)
31. I totally agree
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:42 AM
Sep 2022

The J6 committee has several weeks to reveal more and more of the plot against America and that, more than a Trump indictment, will shed votes and redirect them to Democrats. I have no doubt in my mind that will be the case.

Then, after the mid-terms, a cascade of indictments, one after the other in rapid succession, up the chain of command, culminating in multiple indictments against Trump. If we could somehow take both the House and the Senate AND begin the criminal trials against the fascists with 2 years until the general election, the US may actually be salvageable.

Ocelot II

(115,924 posts)
7. Indict him when the case is ready, not before.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:23 AM
Sep 2022

There's no reason to hurry. The FBI has the stolen docs, the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. probably have a pretty good idea of what's missing and they might even know where some of it went. Before there are any indictments the IC should be able to finish its threat assessment without getting tangled up in the criminal aspects of the case. It's probably true that indicting him now would bring the MAGAts out in force, which could cut both ways wrt the elections, but it's more important to be sure all elements of any criminal charges are completely in order. No mistakes, no holes. "The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine."

OrlandoDem2

(2,071 posts)
10. No way Garland, or a grand jury, indicts before Election Day. But ruining the holidays for the Trump
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:26 AM
Sep 2022

family would be delightful. Somewhere just before Thanksgiving and Christmas would be fine by me.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
14. I do not believe indicting Trump now would hurt the Democrats this November.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:32 AM
Sep 2022

I just want to see what people think when looking at it in a different perspective.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
15. It isn't an either or argument,
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:37 AM
Sep 2022

Indicting Trump will fire up his base.
Indicting Trump will fire up our base.

Let's look back at recent history; what happened when Democrats impeached Trump?

A record number of Trump voters showed up for the 2020 election.
A larger record number of Joe Biden voters showed up.

Indicting Trump won't just bring out Magats to vote, it will bring out Democrats.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
17. There is a real possibility
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:38 AM
Sep 2022

That indicting TFG would boost the Democrats chances in November. The Trump era is over.

aeromanKC

(3,330 posts)
19. NO if given that choice
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:50 AM
Sep 2022

Trump WILL eventually get indicted. The opportunity to win the House and Senate is NOW. There are no do over's there.

snowybirdie

(5,245 posts)
21. Absolutely not
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:11 AM
Sep 2022

Republicans running Congress can do so much damage together. Donnie Blowhard is just a pathetic one man show who can't really do squat.

musclecar6

(1,693 posts)
27. I would
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:33 AM
Sep 2022


Think unless Garland has a ton of bad stuff that our national disgrace is in the process of revealing to other countries, like selling top-secret info etc, he’ll probably wait until after the election. So unless it’s urgent, he doesn’t want to get caught up in the same thing Comey did by dropping bombshells just before the election. I also think it might backfire on what we want if he did that right before the election, unless as I said there is urgency that all but the hard-core MAGA numbskulls, would see as necessary.

Of course the bottom line is we don’t have to worry about any of that stuff because it’s not up to us. Garland is the one who gets to lose sleep trying to balance out all the factors before he makes his decision. I hope when it comes down to it, he doesn’t punk out like Mueller did with a bunch of bullshit he couldn’t indict a sitting president and all that other crap and if I remember correctly Andrew Weinstein ( who was Mueller’s assistant) wanted to indict him but Mueller didn’t.

GoCubsGo

(32,098 posts)
28. Have you been listening to ANYTHING the Republicans have been saying about what will happen
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:36 AM
Sep 2022

if they ever take back Congress??? Anything at all? If that happens, you can throw the book at Trump, and he'll still wind up walking. FFS.

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
29. No...absoulutely not. The elections are so important. Trump is not the only one coming after
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:41 AM
Sep 2022

our Republic. Nothing is worth losing in the midterms.

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