How heartless, inhumane, and non-Christian does one have to be to use poor desperate people

[RAB910]

as political props to promote your anti-American politcal agenda?

Seriously, how immoral are DeSantis and Abbott? One really has to wonder if they qualify as human

[Phoenix61]

1. They don't.

They are who M Scott Peck talks about in his book People of the Lie. They are evil, full stop.

[KarenS]

5. Evil. I whole-heartedly agree. n/t

[Wingus Dingus]

2. It's sickening. I know they love punching down on immigrants, but

playing a clever football game with unwitting human props, throwing them around the country to get MAGA approval and giggles...I am so ashamed of how we are now.

[jimfields33]

14. I'm not sure Texas or Florida have the programs for the amount of people coming into the country.

What are they to do? There’s not enough housing, medical facilities, and other necessities. I’m not saying this is a great solution but I do know that the Northeast has great programs that can help. Typically they don’t get any Migrants.

[Walleye]

19. If DeSantis cared about those people he could've coordinated programs up north

[LeftInTX]

24. Texas has programs, set up by the federal government

I gotta wonder about Abbott's stunt: Are they asylum seekers? (Is Abbott interfering with the asylum process)

Are they from Mexico? (Mexicans are not eligible for asylum. Therefore Abbott is guilty of violating immigration laws.

Are the immigrants actually here legally with a visa or passport and took advantage of a free bus ride? It's entirely possible. Then no law was broken and it was nothing but a PR stunt)

[Wingus Dingus]

33. I think treating these people (who are vulnerable, unfamiliar with the US

and usually have nothing) with dignity is the first step, don't you? Instead of treating them like a joke, like stinking turds to throw at "libtards" for the roaring approval of MAGA. Seriously, there's no way to defend this.

[obamanut2012]

42. These people are from Texas -- FL isn't even near Mexico

[LeftInTX]

3. Let's turn the tables...What if they were ISIS detainees?

Seriously, they could be on a no-fly list and he's evading US law to transport whoever he wants to transport via airplanes.

DeSantis is plain old breaking the law...

[RAB910]

6. What is the source for this claim?

[Meadowoak]

10. I haven't heard that one, I doubt it's true.

[Jack the Greater]

11. I did a Google search for 'NYC mayor Adams bussing migrants florida' and got this

Migrants bused from Texas to NYC on move again

[RAB910]

13. that link tells a vastly different story

Some of the migrants packed onto buses by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and sent on a long journey to New York City are now being bused again, this time to states such as Florida, where NYC officials say they actually want to be.

[Jack the Greater]

22. And of course, we can all believe what "NYC officials" say

The real story is very difficult to suss out. Each individual has their own story to tell on that score. To quote unnamed NYC officials as the final word is not convincing.

[RAB910]

25. I strongly disagree with your assertion and your narrative

[Jack the Greater]

28. That's what makes America great

[Torchlight]

26. Is there a specific reason in this instance to disbelieve

what "NYC officials" say?

[Jack the Greater]

29. There is ALWAYS a reason to doubt what "unnamed sources" say.

[Torchlight]

34. Hence, no specific reason, just convenient skepticism.

[Jack the Greater]

36. Call it what you will, but I am ALWAYS, convenient or not, sceptical of unnamed sources

[Torchlight]

37. To the point of dismissing a benign statement based on no particular

and in doing so, protects you from additional relevant information. That being a flawed method of both science and academics, I would hazard the same flaw here: dismissal of the relevant as it does not suit your narrative.

But of course, "call it what you will."

[Bonx]

7. I am glad the migrants are going to sanctuary cities where they will receive help

I think they will be better off that being dumped in a border town bus stop.

[RAB910]

8. Clearly they are in more caring hands when they are in cities controlled by good people

However, they are often tricked, lied to, and bullied before being taken to those cities, often against their will. I am not a big fan of that sort of thing

[zuul]

15. Better off being outside of Texas too, where they are clearly not valued as human beings.

[Jack the Greater]

9. I dunno...

... being sent to Martha's Vineyard doesn't sound so bad. And they got to fly in comfort instead of being bused. Of course, the heat spell is over and temperatures are cooling down to a more tolerable level in Florida, so not much advantage there. If you look at it from the poor desperate people's point of view, that might not be such a bad deal. There is probably much more sympathy for their plight in a place like Martha's Vineyard than in Florida... at least theoretically. I can find much more to excoriate Abbott and DeSantis for than this.

[RAB910]

12. yeah, everyone loves to be kidnapped

The migrants said a woman they identified as "Perla" approached them outside the shelter and lured them into boarding the plane, saying they would be flown to Boston where they could get expedited work papers. She provided them with food. The migrants said Perla was still trying to recruit more passengers just hours before their flight.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard

[Jack the Greater]

17. You seem to be turning this into what you want it to be...

... a terrible thing for the migrants. All I am saying is that it might not turn out to be that bad for them. I can sympathize with the states that are tasked with caring for an influx of people that amounts to well over 6,000 people a day. If this is happening, the rest of the nation should share the burden.

[RAB910]

30. You are the one calling people (NY Officials) liars without a shred of proof (very Trump like)

Because it doesn't support your narrative. I would also like PROOF to support your claim that we are asking states to house 6000 people a day

[Jack the Greater]

35. I did not call anyone a liar. I merely pointed out that statements attributed to unnamed sources

... are suspect.

[RAB910]

41. There is ZERO reason to make that claim

Also, I am waiting for the proof to support your claim that states are burdened with caring for 6000 migrants a day

[Torchlight]

32. Should not the rest of the nation expect

notification, coordination and planning from these states?

Though one may allow sympathy for these states, their lack of notice, their lies to the migrants, and their denial of coordination, as well as Abbott lying about this policy when he enacted it earns this particular Texan's absolute apathy.

I think you also are turning this into what you want it to be: a fairy tale for migrants.

[Jack the Greater]

38. I am merely allowing that it might not be the worst thing in the world for them.

They are in America, which was their goal. They are being fed and housed until their fate is determined. You may not like they way it is being done, and you may consider them pawns in a political game, but by crossing the border seeking asylum, they put themselves at the mercy of government authorities. They do not have the right to roam the country at will.

[Torchlight]

39. Did anyone argue it will be the worst thing in the world?

Is anyone arguing that the right to roam the country at will is inherent?



If not, the responses holds no relevance. Lies and deceit are not a great start on which to predicate policy.

If the best an argument can do to forward an assertion is state "well, it's not the worst thing in the world" I'd be inclined to dismiss that argument as weak and lacking a firm foundation of critical thought.

[Walleye]

20. DeSantis could've picked up the phone and call the governor of Massachusetts to coordinate this

[JI7]

16. What do you mean non Christian ? Many Chritians are horrible people

[Hortensis]

18. Absolutely to what's missing in them. And what's in them instead.

Some migrants are "poor desperate," of course, but most who make it here tend to be vigorous, strong minded people taking giant steps to better themselves, and their families. Sounds like the bad people may have tried to select victims who couldn't understand English enough to head off what was happening, and of course some come from places where sensible people don't cross the authorities.

Even more, though, many who come all this way have destinations with relatives, friends, and/or expectations of jobs waiting. Some are returning to jobs they've held in the past and may be held for them right now. So I'm wondering if any of them were "shanghaied" to Martha's Vineyard.

[rubbersole]

21. Another symbolic stunt by the nazi nazi wannabe.

When covid first arrived in Florida, early 2020, desantis' response was denial and lie. I was visiting an assisted living facility twice a day and their protocols were extremely cautious. I couldn't get in the place for 13 months. Then only outside, one hour, masked, tested, supervised and documented for three more months. This place had one covid death in two years. 19 floors of vulnerable elderly folks. Florida had record deaths and are still covering shit up. But you have to care about something other than your political ambitions. There aren't enough magats to help desantis. He's going the way of tfg. History, meet dustbin. The msm will use him until the next shiny object appears in a year.

[Marius25]

23. I hope the DoJ is going to open an investigation into this.

This is kidnapping and human trafficking.

8 USC 1324 Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it a crime for any person, with knowledge or reckless disregard of the alien’s illegal immigrations status, to transport an alien within the United States by any means of transportation.

[LeftInTX]

31. Exactly

Unless, I gotta wonder if some of these people are actually here legally with a passport or visa? The reason I ask is because Abbott sent a bunch of people on buses. Passport/visa holders from Mexico can also be lower income, unemployed, looked down upon etc. However, it would not be illegal to transport them because they are here legally.

[jmbar2]

27. The Republicans intended this to be a cruel political stunt. However...

We do need to consider the burden on border states of having to deal with so many people coming across the border.

One thing to consider is that many of these folks are migrating to waiting jobs in agriculture in various states.

Scroll to the bottom of this link to see the recruiting for ag and forestry jobs. Americans are not going to do this work, and this is very good money for immigrants to support their families.

https://secure.emp.state.or.us/jobs/index.cfm?keyword=&keytype=Both&loc=014&calling_pg=search_home&location_content=joblist.cfm&showcounts=Y&system=new&type=N&lang=E&start=1

We need a lot of these workers and our current immigration system isn't dealing with the demand and logistics well enough. It shouldn't fall only on the border states to deal with a system that is not working.

But this was certainly intended as a cruel political stunt.

[Chainfire]

40. Don't worry about the pawns in the game, they are not real people...

DeSantis is the face of the Modern Republican Party. Trump was too liberal.