Not a lawyer but can the charter operators also be held accountable for the migrant moving actions

[ZonkerHarris]

of Abbott and DeSantis?
Can the marketplace for charters dry up for them overnight with the right lawsuits or arrests?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. Not a lawyer, but I think it depends on whether they knowingly solicited the business (unlikely)

You operate an air charter. You get a call.

"Can you send about 50 people with one or two planes from Texas to Massachusetts by way of Florida?"

"Two planes, airport to airport."

"It's a deal."

"Who's going?"

"It's a group of people going up for job opportunities."

"Cool. I hope they have luck."

"Oh I'm sure they'll find something!"

At that point, the operator has no inkling of the crime and I think is absolved.



But if the operator calls up and says "I heard you're wanting to fly some migrants out of state and leave them in Massachusetts. Can you give me the details so I give you a quote to get that scum and vermin where you want. But you gotta keep them in line and no messing up the plane!"

That's being part of a conspiracy to traffic people.

I think.

[Bread and Circuses]

2. Perhaps...

...the pilot, cabin staff would know that these were migrants and did not have identity documents to board plane. The issue can be resolved by the FBI visiting a few commuter airports and charter companies and asking questions. This will put the scare into everyone that they could be held responsible.

[ZonkerHarris]

3. even on a charter flight a passenger manifest in mandated.

14 CFR 121.693(e), which is administered by the Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA), requires certificated operators of large aircraft
to collect passenger names for each scheduled and charter flight. The
provision does not, however, require full name of passengers or
additional information such as phone number of emergency contact. The
provision further states that the aircraft load manifest must include
passenger names ``unless such information is maintained by other
means'' by the carrier. In most cases, carriers use other means such as
the ticket lift.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2021-title14-vol4/xml/CFR-2021-title14-vol4-part212.xml

apparently it is required in case of accidents
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/44909

[modrepub]

4. Bused Migrants to NYC

Saw one of the groups helping these people in NYC report that there was a child on board who was diabetic and had been without insulin for multiple days. The bus from TX took a couple of days to reach NYC. Luckily there was a nurse among the group so the child was treated immediately.

If I was the bus operator, I wouldn't do that again. If there was a medical emergency and something really bad happened I'd be worried about my liability.

This is just cruelty for the sake of being cruel. In more common terms it's called being an a--hole.

[ZonkerHarris]

5. There's huge liability here

[Jose Garcia]

6. Probably no more than the state of MA which transported them off of Martha's Vineyard

[ZonkerHarris]

7. FYI That is not interstate travel. Also not done under false pretenses.

You think those two actions were the same?

[Jose Garcia]

8. What does the interstate aspect of it matter.

Of course the actions are not the same. But just because something is morally abhorrent doesn't mean it is illegal.

[ZonkerHarris]

9. It is illegal to transport unregistered aliens across state lines. Abbott & DeSantis broke the law

MA did not.

#themoreyouknow

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses

Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.

[Jose Garcia]

10. You have to read the whole thing

Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.

What does that last part mean? It means that transporting them would promote their illegal entry into the US or staying here illegally.

Abbott has been busing people to NYC and DC for months. The feds haven't charged him. In fact, they haven't even gone to court to get an injunction to stop him from continuing to do so. Why? Because it isn't illegal.

Once again "morally abhorrent" does not always mean illegal.