Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:59 AM Sep 2022

Where Are The Posters Who Said In April 2021 That It Was A CERTAINTY Matt Gaetz Was Screwed?

I know there are several who argued and argued that point.

Many of them still INSIST that TFG is also going down.

I'm not holding my breath.

22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Where Are The Posters Who Said In April 2021 That It Was A CERTAINTY Matt Gaetz Was Screwed? (Original Post) SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 OP
I tire of the prognosticators. live love laugh Sep 2022 #1
I'm not tired of them yet, but I will be someday! Shermann Sep 2022 #2
I tire of the people who don't understand what "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2022 #5
Understandable. Not to mention those who want things on THEIR timelines. live love laugh Sep 2022 #8
It all hinged on the evidence provided by Greenberg, didn't it? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #3
I Won't Hold My Breath On That Either nt SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #4
It seems that prosecutors think two of the witnesses (not Greenberg) are unreliable zuul Sep 2022 #9
Or perhaps it was the underage girl Jose Garcia Sep 2022 #14
Define "going down." wryter2000 Sep 2022 #6
Trump has not been charged with anything. former9thward Sep 2022 #19
My language was in error wryter2000 Sep 2022 #21
A Less Than Charming Post ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #7
Compared to whom?! Nixon's VP went to jail uponit7771 Sep 2022 #20
It's Evident I Need To Take A Long Break From DU And From Watching MSNBC SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #10
You want to "take a break from DU" bc Gaetz isn't being indicted? live love laugh Sep 2022 #16
I'm Tired Of Wasting Time Listening To Predictions About How This Or That Is Going To Happen SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #18
Evidence 303squadron Sep 2022 #11
Some people guess wrong. Some people guess right. Torchlight Sep 2022 #12
BuT gArLaNd Is A hErO wHo WiLl FiX eVeRyThInG RockRaven Sep 2022 #13
They were wrong RussBLib Sep 2022 #15
Was Greenberg arrested on different charges? LonePirate Sep 2022 #17
Check out "Bad City" by Pringle. Then you tell me if there are different standards. nt Samrob Sep 2022 #22

live love laugh

(13,143 posts)
1. I tire of the prognosticators.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:00 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Edited to add:

Let the facts speak for themselves—including when anybody is “going down”.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,087 posts)
5. I tire of the people who don't understand what "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:07 PM
Sep 2022

And think the government should prosecute and lose rather than not prosecute what they can't win...

live love laugh

(13,143 posts)
8. Understandable. Not to mention those who want things on THEIR timelines.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:14 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:03 PM - Edit history (1)

With zero knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes—or who fail to consider the external impacts and influences that propel or delay action.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,669 posts)
3. It all hinged on the evidence provided by Greenberg, didn't it?
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:05 PM
Sep 2022

So, if Greenberg’s “cooperation” yielded no usable evidence, then he better get no reduction in his sentence.

zuul

(14,628 posts)
9. It seems that prosecutors think two of the witnesses (not Greenberg) are unreliable
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:14 PM
Sep 2022

so their testimony may not hold up in court.

I don't think Greenberg is the problem. He apparently coughed up a trove of damning information against Gaetz.

wryter2000

(46,083 posts)
6. Define "going down."
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:09 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

IMHO TFG did go down this week. He lost his business for 5 years, maybe forever, in New York, at least. I doubt any bank will have him, though. He's been turned over to the SDNY and the IRS for criminal charges. He faces other criminal charges from Georgia and the federal government. And plenty more troubles. His only fans are Qanon crazies. He hasn't gone to prison yet, but that threat is real.

OTOH, many who claimed Garland would do nothing have posted they were wrong.

On edit: I didn't know prosecutors had recommended Gaetz not be charged when I wrote this post. It does appear he got away with his crimes. They must not have had sufficient evidence to win.

former9thward

(32,093 posts)
19. Trump has not been charged with anything.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:35 PM
Sep 2022

So he is not facing charges anywhere. The lawsuit in NY won't be heard or resolved for years. And no one knows what that resolution will be.

ProfessorGAC

(65,227 posts)
7. A Less Than Charming Post
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:10 PM
Sep 2022

It's also a bit lazy to be a naysayer. Back in the 70s, people said what you're saying about Nixon.
Ignominious resignation is hardly skating away.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
10. It's Evident I Need To Take A Long Break From DU And From Watching MSNBC
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:15 PM
Sep 2022

How many times can people speculate about something, and be COMPLETELY WRONG?

Just get me to the conclusion of the movie, where the bad guys get away without consequences, because that's the way our "justice" system works in America, for those who are above the law.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
18. I'm Tired Of Wasting Time Listening To Predictions About How This Or That Is Going To Happen
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:24 PM
Sep 2022

When they're almost always COMPLETELY WRONG.

I lose more and more faith in this country, not that I have much left at this point, with the realization that there are NO CONSEQUENCES for these criminals so obviously Above The Law.

I just need to fully accept the reality, because I'm confident that TFG is going to get away with everything too.

303squadron

(547 posts)
11. Evidence
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:16 PM
Sep 2022

I was always skeptical because if prosecutors had the evidence his sorry ass would have been in jail long ago.....and his ultra right leaning bible thumping district would STILL have voted him into office.

Torchlight

(3,368 posts)
12. Some people guess wrong. Some people guess right.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:19 PM
Sep 2022

I pretty much place the guess that TFG is going down in the same category that he'll skate away; a guess.

I won't hold a correct or incorrect guess as indicative of anything or anyone other than a lucky or unlucky coin flip.

RussBLib

(9,043 posts)
15. They were wrong
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 12:51 PM
Sep 2022

It happens. But to link Gaetz case and Trump's case is really apples to oranges. We have strong evidence in the case of TFG.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
17. Was Greenberg arrested on different charges?
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:05 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Fri Sep 23, 2022, 03:58 PM - Edit history (1)

He was involved in a variety of activities so if his charges weren’t similar to those people suspected Gaetz would receive, then it makes sense.

It is odd to me that Gaetz is not being charged given the details of the case; but the wealthy/powerful do live by a different set of rules.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Where Are The Posters Who...