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Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:09 PM Sep 2022

Tampa Bay has dropped 5 feet since this morning. Its gonna get backhanded hard

as the back of this thing passes.The high tide will be coming in all along the SW Fl coast from now through about 6 pm unfortunately. Also the St. Johns river is already backing up and beginning to enter flood stage. This thing is gonna be a water killer. They are expecting record river flooding all across central to NE Fl.

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Tampa Bay has dropped 5 feet since this morning. Its gonna get backhanded hard (Original Post) Cheezoholic Sep 2022 OP
Rising sea levels Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #1
I recommend CostaRica for retirement. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #5
How high above sea level are you there? Hekate Sep 2022 #10
2500 ft. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #11
Good, good Hekate Sep 2022 #12
I'm intrigued about Costa Rica Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #14
That is one tall order. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #16
Thanks Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #17
You can only be a legal resident not a citizen. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #19
Oh... gas for cars is always around $4.50-5.50 LakeArenal Sep 2022 #29
Mom lives there currently with hisband Bluesaph Sep 2022 #43
Hawaii Island is pretty good. pandr32 Sep 2022 #20
Dreams come true don't they!!! LakeArenal Sep 2022 #23
Costa Rica is expected to be hard hit by climate change Kaleva Sep 2022 #35
We feel it. Every place will be changed. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #37
It's going to get worse every year. Kaleva Sep 2022 #38
It was a suggestion to someone else. I'm the first to say it's not for everyone. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #39
what goes out HAB911 Sep 2022 #2
Not happening in the right place. LiberalFighter Sep 2022 #3
+1 dalton99a Sep 2022 #8
Effect of storm surge RIGHT NOW in Ft Myers... mitch96 Sep 2022 #4
Fort Myers beach - camera was set at six feet - hotel in background womanofthehills Sep 2022 #6
TY for that, Tweet. Cha Sep 2022 #27
Global climate change Dopers_Greed Sep 2022 #7
What??? Katinfl Sep 2022 #13
You're right Dopers_Greed Sep 2022 #18
You can do better than this. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #21
Voted for DeSantis to pwn teh libs? durablend Sep 2022 #30
A whole lot of people in Florida radical noodle Sep 2022 #32
NEXT: Florida Man Thanks God for Destroyed House dalton99a Sep 2022 #9
Got a snapshot of one of my fave chasers who is in Punta Gorda BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #15
You think Brett Adair Cheezoholic Sep 2022 #22
Watched that live as his truck floated and took one for the stream BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #25
Yeah that was wild. Those boys in Punta Gorda better hunker down Cheezoholic Sep 2022 #31
Harvey was just a lonnnnnngggg-lived meandering monstrosity BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #34
That blow out tide is now coming in like a freight train now Cheezoholic Sep 2022 #33
There as another couple associated with Adair who drove to a mobile home park BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #36
Peace river, Myakka River and Manatee river are looking like they will be at ecord flood levels soon Cheezoholic Sep 2022 #40
Surge is slowly coming in over the sea walls at Punta Gorda BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #41
Is Brad Arnold still sitting there? lol Cheezoholic Sep 2022 #42
He finally went offline at about 9:30 pm EDT (he said he only had 2 hours sleep) BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #44
Oh Allison. Had to think for a second. Cheezoholic Sep 2022 #45
Oh I know about that other Allison BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #46
And the Rethugs haven't done a thing to help. clementine613 Sep 2022 #24
Very Best of Luck to All the Cha Sep 2022 #26
NHC confirms landfall at 3:05 pm EDT near Cayo Costa, FL BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #28

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
1. Rising sea levels
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:17 PM
Sep 2022

Florida has a pretty bleak future. More of these powerful storms are going to be hitting it regularly. And these storms will be how the sea claims the land there. Some of the surge might just make formerly dry parts of the coast permanently wetland going forward. The erosion will also take a toll. Eventually you'll have a major storm just leave parts of the Keys underwater.

I will not be retiring there when I retired in 15 or so years because of all of this.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
14. I'm intrigued about Costa Rica
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:26 PM
Sep 2022

Tell me more about retiring in Costa Rica?

Still get your social security? 401K funds transfer easily? Health Care?

Costs of living?

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
16. That is one tall order.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:35 PM
Sep 2022

As a retiree you have to have income of $2000 a month.

So many lifestyles it hard to cover all.

Mountain, savanna, rain forest, gulf coast, west coast, mountains, city, country…..

We live on a continental divide. The weather makes it much drier on the other side of the mountain we live on.

Goods are expensive, labor is inexpensive.

Government is liked at the moment.

History of Costa Rica is interesting. Disbanded military in 1948 in favor of infra structure and education.

Fairly native in that Spanish ignored CR because no quantities of gold. Left many pristine areas.

We moved here site unseen. Read books and there are a zillion posts on YouTube about good and bad things about living in CR. Most are geared to living on a coast. That environment and life style is much different than where we live.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
17. Thanks
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:41 PM
Sep 2022

I just googled a little about it.

As long as you're a US citizen you can college your social security abroad. So that wouldn't be an issue.

Isn't there some $200K investment to get dual citizenship? That wouldn't be a problem either really, by the time I retire I'll have double that in equity in our home here. $2K a month would be totally doable even if we retired early. If I retire closer to 66 like I plan we'll have 3 times that monthly income. Of course this is 15 years + away.

How long have you lived there?

Health Care costs are a fraction, is the care good?

And of course I'd learn Spanish before moving there.

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
19. You can only be a legal resident not a citizen.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:59 PM
Sep 2022

Banking is very strict here. It takes lots of hoops to buy houses etc.
We have been here 3 years. Residency application took two years as COVID hit right after we applied.

I can only speak where live: on map
South end of Lake Arenal closer to Liberia than San Jose.

At this time you can find a lovely home for $250000 up.

Once you get Caja after residency, we pay $48 per month for two. Small things like appts May take time. But I have known friends have heart attacks and they said the care was excellent.
Prescriptions no cost. Many available over the counter.

If you don’t have residency you have to leave every90 days to renew your visa and use of IS drivers license. There are many ways to accomplish that where we live. There are tour guide visa runs as a well.

We knew no Spanish. Not as much English here as books might say. Once again maybe more English in urban areas.

We found a Gringo free Spanish class. So we get by.

We have made many Tico friends. Everyone is so nice. But manaña doesn’t mean tomorrow. It means, whatever you want done is not happening today. So learn patience.

Exchange rate fluctuates. When we moved here 10,000 colones was almost $19. Now it’s under $16.

Don’t ship a US car. US parts come from Mexico. CR parts come from China.

Buy a car here. But cars are way more expensive and you have to pay cash.

I could go on forever. We love everything about CR. Including bugs snakes lizards and birds. Ants are the worst thing in CR.

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
29. Oh... gas for cars is always around $4.50-5.50
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:25 PM
Sep 2022

It’s expensive the first year while you travel to see everything. But once settled you don’t put on a lot of miles in a year.

Also, CR had the second highest electricity rates in the world. I think it’s Italy that is higher. The new president says he will work to bring costs down.

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
43. Mom lives there currently with hisband
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:11 PM
Sep 2022

We need to find them an affordable assisted living situation.

Husband and I will retire there once he retires in 10 years. I go back and forth currently. Sandwiched between generations. But I can’t complain.

We were in arenal in May and stayed at Baldi Hot Sorings in La Fortuna. Had a great time, although the service was widdled down severely and left us unimpressed.

The area and the locals were great!

Costa Rica cost of living has gone up due to inflation. Even food is expensive for the locals. In comparison to US though it’s a very affordable place to live.

pandr32

(11,611 posts)
20. Hawaii Island is pretty good.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:00 PM
Sep 2022

We came here to have a relaxed lifestyle over six years ago. We grow so many fruits and vegetables the high cost of food at the store is mitigated. We just had a star fruit smoothie.
It is a beautiful place and we feel quite safe. We are close to the ocean but on a slope and in a lava zone 3 so there isn't much risk of that. Before we moved here we lived in the shadow of Mt. Rainier so I think we are better off now.

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
23. Dreams come true don't they!!!
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:05 PM
Sep 2022

We spent the pandemic in Paradise. No mask holes. Half the restaurants stayed open because they are open air. I can’t say it’s been great but compared to anyone else…..🍀🍀🍀🍀🇨🇷🇨🇷🇨🇷🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
37. We feel it. Every place will be changed.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:55 PM
Sep 2022

We also have landslides, earthquakes and volcanoes.

We just had 9 killed many injured when bus with 60 people was swept 250 ft down a mountain in a landslide from torrential rain.

That doesn’t make Costa Rica a terrible place to retire.

Kaleva

(36,340 posts)
38. It's going to get worse every year.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:02 PM
Sep 2022

If s person is expecting to live just another decade or so and their will be no younger members of the family there, Costa Rica may be a good choice.

But for younger people and those with family, Costa Rica may not be a top pick.

Katinfl

(158 posts)
13. What???
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:18 PM
Sep 2022

I hate trump as much as the next person but what does he have to do with this? I live in FL, hate that this state voted for him twice but this climate change situation started long before him. The whole Republican Party is to blame in my opinion. Deny, deny, deny climate change and this will be happening all the more frequently. I really think this storm will bankrupt the state. It has long been said that FL is one hurricane away from financial disaster. IMHO.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
18. You're right
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:52 PM
Sep 2022

Substitute "voted for Trump twice" with "vote for Republicans all the time" in my post and it becomes more accurate.

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
15. Got a snapshot of one of my fave chasers who is in Punta Gorda
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:28 PM
Sep 2022

and was near Port Charlotte and the bridge there (blow-out tides).



Sailboats were beached.

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
25. Watched that live as his truck floated and took one for the stream
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:07 PM
Sep 2022


It does give him a unique perspective of the comparison of this to that.

At Mexico Beach, there really weren't many places to get to elevation but where they are in Punta Gorda, there's plenty of protection.

Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
31. Yeah that was wild. Those boys in Punta Gorda better hunker down
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 04:33 PM
Sep 2022

This thing reminds me so much of Harvey in the way it's acting. The N/NW side of the eyewall is actually packing a bigger wind punch than the one they just went through. When I chase Harvey the backend was crazy violent.

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
34. Harvey was just a lonnnnnngggg-lived meandering monstrosity
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:12 PM
Sep 2022

that just rained and rained and rained all over southern and SE TX. I think it went out into the GOM at least twice and came back in a couple times since it was completely detached from any steering flow. I was actually watching the live stream with the infamous Jeff Piotrowski "blue shed". It came complete with an AC too.

About 30 minutes ago, one of these guys (Brad) left what was the same area where those boats were and one of the boats (not the sailboats that were not even visible anymore) broke free and had drifted towards shore where they parked the car, so the surge is slowly happening there. It got tangled in some high power electric lines (the earlier pics of the boats showed that area as a nearly dry bed) -

Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
33. That blow out tide is now coming in like a freight train now
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:54 PM
Sep 2022

I swear, the backsides of majors are worse from a wind standpoint when they hit perpendicular to the shore due to frictional interaction with land. People are freaking out that the backside of this thing is worse.

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
36. There as another couple associated with Adair who drove to a mobile home park
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:32 PM
Sep 2022

to check on things. Most had evacuated but a couple who remained were okay and I think another couple were taken out to go somewhere else that was safe - where those who stayed were warned of that back side of the eye.

Punta Gorda is getting destroyed by wind now as one could see from their stream back to the garage. Apparently this is the same garage that Cantori is using (and they were all cracking about it and trying not to photo-bomb his broadcast ).

A lot of trees down and stripped plus lots of sheet metal blown around and street signs down all over the streets.

Listening to another of that group - there was someone on a speaker phone to them who just said there was "20" rain west of N. 40 (which will have some impact on I75), so this thing is producing a lot of the expected rain.

Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
40. Peace river, Myakka River and Manatee river are looking like they will be at ecord flood levels soon
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:28 PM
Sep 2022

St. Johns river could get close depending on the future track. There will be areas that get 2 feet of rain or more no doubt.

This thing looks like its speeding up a little and we're not seeing a significant N turn yet. I am amazed how this thing is still generating -80C thunderstorms around the center. If this thing goes offshore south of the cape it's a whole new ballgame for the SE coast.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=09L&product=ir

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
41. Surge is slowly coming in over the sea walls at Punta Gorda
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:04 PM
Sep 2022

where the breakers are going through and over the fence.



NOAA Sats tweeted out a "sunset over Ian" gif -

v

Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
42. Is Brad Arnold still sitting there? lol
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:02 PM
Sep 2022

My mother lived on Isle of Palms SC back in the mid 80's. I had already been storm chasing tornadoes in the midwest since high school with the advanced technology of the time, roll down the window, look and ya might get lucky lol. I had the map on the wall with thumbtacks tracking hurricane positions from HAM radio reports lol. I just happened to go down to SC for a visit the week Hugo came in, that was my first Hurricane. They owned Berts Bar out on Sullivans Island. It blew the roof off the bar and there was 3 feet of sand and pluff mud on the inside. The 2 pool tables were gone, never found them. We rode it out about 2 miles inland. It was nuts. I ended up living on the beach in FL and SC for the next 30 years. Chased hurricanes every chance I got, sometimes they chased me lol.

The technology from the sats to everything else we have today is amazing compared to what we had back then. Especially the modeling. It's getting really good just compared to 10 years ago. After Ida last year think my chasing days are done unless I absolutely have t, or I get to ride in a Hurricane Hunter lol.

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
44. He finally went offline at about 9:30 pm EDT (he said he only had 2 hours sleep)
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:27 PM
Sep 2022

I would say my "first" awareness of the damage from a hurricane was 1972 with Hurricane Agnes that really flooded out so much of PA. I was a Girl Scout back then and had gone to a 2-week overnight camp in 1971 that was located near Gilbertsville, PA. The following year when I went back for another summer, the place was almost unrecognizable - mainly because the big creek that ran through the camp property was impacted by the excessive rain/flooding from Agnes (I had gone a few weeks after Agnes came through). And that pretty much turbo charged my weather hobby at that point.

We have had the remnants of many come through here in Philly over the years. I did actually ride out a Cat 1 - Cosme - in Acapulco in 1989. That particular Hurricane Cosme made landfall just a tiny bit south of Acapulco Bay and the eye actually passed over us overnight and I remember all the rain/wind as it came in (and all manner of ships were taking refuge in Acapulco Bay), and then when the winds died down, the skies cleared, and the stars were out. But after that, all hell broke loose with the convection as the back edge of the eye came overheard.

The storm weakened as it cut across Mexico and was down to a remnant low that ended up reforming in the GOM that was renamed TS Allison, land-falling in TX I think. The remnant of Allison eventually came up here to Philly, so I had the opportunity to experience the same storm twice!

After that, the NHC made a decision to have TCs keep the same name if they cross oceans, including if they have enough of a renmant to regenerate in that other ocean.

Haven't chased but have a couple stations and post on a weather forum. Also have a couple radar programs (GRLevel3 and GR2Analyst) to get my fix, among other things.

Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
45. Oh Allison. Had to think for a second.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:53 PM
Sep 2022

That name got retired in 2001. Never was a hurricane either. One of the deadliest Tropical Storms ever. I remembered that thing never got strong but lasted for like 2 weeks. Had to wiki that one to be sure but yeah, one of the deadliest Tropical Storms ever. The 2001 version kinda pulled the same stunt, only worse. It goes to show, 60mph or 160mph, water is the killer. You got the kinder gentler version

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Allison

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
46. Oh I know about that other Allison
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 11:12 PM
Sep 2022

If you look at that track, you can see why (and how what was left of that one came up here as well)!



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The earlier "Allison" associated with Cosme was in 1989.

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Another that I saw the aftermath of was the 1982 Hurricane Iwa that plowed through Hawai'i (and I went there on vacation in 1986 4 years later). By the time I went there, the ferns that adorned the famous "Fern Grotto" on Kauai'i were only just starting to grow back after being completely stripped from the cave entrance. Then 6 years later, Iniki blew through and stripped them again. I think since then with the help of conservationists, they have recovered.

Mother Nature.

BumRushDaShow

(129,433 posts)
28. NHC confirms landfall at 3:05 pm EDT near Cayo Costa, FL
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:19 PM
Sep 2022



National Hurricane Center
@NHC_Atlantic
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305 PM EDT 28 Sep -- Hurricane #Ian has made landfall as an extremely dangerous Category 4 hurricane near Cayo Costa, Florida with maximum sustained winds at 150 mph. The minimum pressure from Air Force Reconnaissance Hurricane Hunters was 940 mb.

Latest: http://hurricanes.gov/#Ian
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