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Wed Sep 28, 2022, 11:09 AM

Tampa Bay has dropped 5 feet since this morning. Its gonna get backhanded hard

as the back of this thing passes.The high tide will be coming in all along the SW Fl coast from now through about 6 pm unfortunately. Also the St. Johns river is already backing up and beginning to enter flood stage. This thing is gonna be a water killer. They are expecting record river flooding all across central to NE Fl.

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Reply Tampa Bay has dropped 5 feet since this morning. Its gonna get backhanded hard (Original post)
Cheezoholic Sep 28 OP
Johnny2X2X Sep 28 #1
LakeArenal Sep 28 #5
Hekate Sep 28 #10
LakeArenal Sep 28 #11
Hekate Sep 28 #12
Johnny2X2X Sep 28 #14
LakeArenal Sep 28 #16
Johnny2X2X Sep 28 #17
LakeArenal Sep 28 #19
LakeArenal Sep 28 #29
Bluesaph Sep 28 #43
pandr32 Sep 28 #20
LakeArenal Sep 28 #23
Kaleva Sep 28 #35
LakeArenal Sep 28 #37
Kaleva Sep 28 #38
LakeArenal Sep 28 #39
HAB911 Sep 28 #2
LiberalFighter Sep 28 #3
dalton99a Sep 28 #8
mitch96 Sep 28 #4
womanofthehills Sep 28 #6
Cha Sep 28 #27
Dopers_Greed Sep 28 #7
Katinfl Sep 28 #13
Dopers_Greed Sep 28 #18
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #21
durablend Sep 28 #30
radical noodle Sep 28 #32
dalton99a Sep 28 #9
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #15
Cheezoholic Sep 28 #22
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #25
Cheezoholic Sep 28 #31
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #34
Cheezoholic Sep 28 #33
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #36
Cheezoholic Sep 28 #40
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #41
Cheezoholic Sep 28 #42
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #44
Cheezoholic Sep 28 #45
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #46
clementine613 Sep 28 #24
Cha Sep 28 #26
BumRushDaShow Sep 28 #28

Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 11:17 AM

1. Rising sea levels

Florida has a pretty bleak future. More of these powerful storms are going to be hitting it regularly. And these storms will be how the sea claims the land there. Some of the surge might just make formerly dry parts of the coast permanently wetland going forward. The erosion will also take a toll. Eventually you'll have a major storm just leave parts of the Keys underwater.

I will not be retiring there when I retired in 15 or so years because of all of this.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:04 PM

5. I recommend CostaRica for retirement.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:14 PM

10. How high above sea level are you there?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:14 PM

11. 2500 ft.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:17 PM

12. Good, good

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:26 PM

14. I'm intrigued about Costa Rica

Tell me more about retiring in Costa Rica?

Still get your social security? 401K funds transfer easily? Health Care?

Costs of living?

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:35 PM

16. That is one tall order.

As a retiree you have to have income of $2000 a month.

So many lifestyles it hard to cover all.

Mountain, savanna, rain forest, gulf coast, west coast, mountains, city, countryÖ..

We live on a continental divide. The weather makes it much drier on the other side of the mountain we live on.

Goods are expensive, labor is inexpensive.

Government is liked at the moment.

History of Costa Rica is interesting. Disbanded military in 1948 in favor of infra structure and education.

Fairly native in that Spanish ignored CR because no quantities of gold. Left many pristine areas.

We moved here site unseen. Read books and there are a zillion posts on YouTube about good and bad things about living in CR. Most are geared to living on a coast. That environment and life style is much different than where we live.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:41 PM

17. Thanks

I just googled a little about it.

As long as you're a US citizen you can college your social security abroad. So that wouldn't be an issue.

Isn't there some $200K investment to get dual citizenship? That wouldn't be a problem either really, by the time I retire I'll have double that in equity in our home here. $2K a month would be totally doable even if we retired early. If I retire closer to 66 like I plan we'll have 3 times that monthly income. Of course this is 15 years + away.

How long have you lived there?

Health Care costs are a fraction, is the care good?

And of course I'd learn Spanish before moving there.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:59 PM

19. You can only be a legal resident not a citizen.

Banking is very strict here. It takes lots of hoops to buy houses etc.
We have been here 3 years. Residency application took two years as COVID hit right after we applied.

I can only speak where live: on map
South end of Lake Arenal closer to Liberia than San Jose.

At this time you can find a lovely home for $250000 up.

Once you get Caja after residency, we pay $48 per month for two. Small things like appts May take time. But I have known friends have heart attacks and they said the care was excellent.
Prescriptions no cost. Many available over the counter.

If you donít have residency you have to leave every90 days to renew your visa and use of IS drivers license. There are many ways to accomplish that where we live. There are tour guide visa runs as a well.

We knew no Spanish. Not as much English here as books might say. Once again maybe more English in urban areas.

We found a Gringo free Spanish class. So we get by.

We have made many Tico friends. Everyone is so nice. But manaŮa doesnít mean tomorrow. It means, whatever you want done is not happening today. So learn patience.

Exchange rate fluctuates. When we moved here 10,000 colones was almost $19. Now itís under $16.

Donít ship a US car. US parts come from Mexico. CR parts come from China.

Buy a car here. But cars are way more expensive and you have to pay cash.

I could go on forever. We love everything about CR. Including bugs snakes lizards and birds. Ants are the worst thing in CR.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:25 PM

29. Oh... gas for cars is always around $4.50-5.50

Itís expensive the first year while you travel to see everything. But once settled you donít put on a lot of miles in a year.

Also, CR had the second highest electricity rates in the world. I think itís Italy that is higher. The new president says he will work to bring costs down.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:11 PM

43. Mom lives there currently with hisband

We need to find them an affordable assisted living situation.

Husband and I will retire there once he retires in 10 years. I go back and forth currently. Sandwiched between generations. But I canít complain.

We were in arenal in May and stayed at Baldi Hot Sorings in La Fortuna. Had a great time, although the service was widdled down severely and left us unimpressed.

The area and the locals were great!

Costa Rica cost of living has gone up due to inflation. Even food is expensive for the locals. In comparison to US though itís a very affordable place to live.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:00 PM

20. Hawaii Island is pretty good.

We came here to have a relaxed lifestyle over six years ago. We grow so many fruits and vegetables the high cost of food at the store is mitigated. We just had a star fruit smoothie.
It is a beautiful place and we feel quite safe. We are close to the ocean but on a slope and in a lava zone 3 so there isn't much risk of that. Before we moved here we lived in the shadow of Mt. Rainier so I think we are better off now.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:05 PM

23. Dreams come true don't they!!!

We spent the pandemic in Paradise. No mask holes. Half the restaurants stayed open because they are open air. I canít say itís been great but compared to anyone elseÖ..🍀🍀🍀🍀🇨🇷🇨🇷🇨🇷🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:20 PM

35. Costa Rica is expected to be hard hit by climate change

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:55 PM

37. We feel it. Every place will be changed.

We also have landslides, earthquakes and volcanoes.

We just had 9 killed many injured when bus with 60 people was swept 250 ft down a mountain in a landslide from torrential rain.

That doesnít make Costa Rica a terrible place to retire.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:02 PM

38. It's going to get worse every year.

If s person is expecting to live just another decade or so and their will be no younger members of the family there, Costa Rica may be a good choice.

But for younger people and those with family, Costa Rica may not be a top pick.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:12 PM

39. It was a suggestion to someone else. I'm the first to say it's not for everyone.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 11:23 AM

2. what goes out

will come back!

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:58 PM

3. Not happening in the right place.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:09 PM

8. +1

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:58 PM

4. Effect of storm surge RIGHT NOW in Ft Myers...


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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:07 PM

6. Fort Myers beach - camera was set at six feet - hotel in background


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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:15 PM

27. TY for that, Tweet.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:08 PM

7. Global climate change

This is what Florida wants! They voted for Trump twice

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:18 PM

13. What???

I hate trump as much as the next person but what does he have to do with this? I live in FL, hate that this state voted for him twice but this climate change situation started long before him. The whole Republican Party is to blame in my opinion. Deny, deny, deny climate change and this will be happening all the more frequently. I really think this storm will bankrupt the state. It has long been said that FL is one hurricane away from financial disaster. IMHO.

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Response to Katinfl (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:52 PM

18. You're right

Substitute "voted for Trump twice" with "vote for Republicans all the time" in my post and it becomes more accurate.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:03 PM

21. You can do better than this.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:26 PM

30. Voted for DeSantis to pwn teh libs?

Better?

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Response to durablend (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:57 PM

32. A whole lot of people in Florida

didn't vote for DeSantis. He barely won.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:12 PM

9. NEXT: Florida Man Thanks God for Destroyed House

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:28 PM

15. Got a snapshot of one of my fave chasers who is in Punta Gorda

and was near Port Charlotte and the bridge there (blow-out tides).



Sailboats were beached.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:04 PM

22. You think Brett Adair

takes storm surge seriously after Michael? lol

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:07 PM

25. Watched that live as his truck floated and took one for the stream



It does give him a unique perspective of the comparison of this to that.

At Mexico Beach, there really weren't many places to get to elevation but where they are in Punta Gorda, there's plenty of protection.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:33 PM

31. Yeah that was wild. Those boys in Punta Gorda better hunker down

This thing reminds me so much of Harvey in the way it's acting. The N/NW side of the eyewall is actually packing a bigger wind punch than the one they just went through. When I chase Harvey the backend was crazy violent.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #31)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:12 PM

34. Harvey was just a lonnnnnngggg-lived meandering monstrosity

that just rained and rained and rained all over southern and SE TX. I think it went out into the GOM at least twice and came back in a couple times since it was completely detached from any steering flow. I was actually watching the live stream with the infamous Jeff Piotrowski "blue shed". It came complete with an AC too.

About 30 minutes ago, one of these guys (Brad) left what was the same area where those boats were and one of the boats (not the sailboats that were not even visible anymore) broke free and had drifted towards shore where they parked the car, so the surge is slowly happening there. It got tangled in some high power electric lines (the earlier pics of the boats showed that area as a nearly dry bed) -

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 05:54 PM

33. That blow out tide is now coming in like a freight train now

I swear, the backsides of majors are worse from a wind standpoint when they hit perpendicular to the shore due to frictional interaction with land. People are freaking out that the backside of this thing is worse.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:32 PM

36. There as another couple associated with Adair who drove to a mobile home park

to check on things. Most had evacuated but a couple who remained were okay and I think another couple were taken out to go somewhere else that was safe - where those who stayed were warned of that back side of the eye.

Punta Gorda is getting destroyed by wind now as one could see from their stream back to the garage. Apparently this is the same garage that Cantori is using (and they were all cracking about it and trying not to photo-bomb his broadcast ).

A lot of trees down and stripped plus lots of sheet metal blown around and street signs down all over the streets.

Listening to another of that group - there was someone on a speaker phone to them who just said there was "20" rain west of N. 40 (which will have some impact on I75), so this thing is producing a lot of the expected rain.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:28 PM

40. Peace river, Myakka River and Manatee river are looking like they will be at ecord flood levels soon

St. Johns river could get close depending on the future track. There will be areas that get 2 feet of rain or more no doubt.

This thing looks like its speeding up a little and we're not seeing a significant N turn yet. I am amazed how this thing is still generating -80C thunderstorms around the center. If this thing goes offshore south of the cape it's a whole new ballgame for the SE coast.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=09L&product=ir

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:04 PM

41. Surge is slowly coming in over the sea walls at Punta Gorda

where the breakers are going through and over the fence.



NOAA Sats tweeted out a "sunset over Ian" gif -

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #41)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:02 PM

42. Is Brad Arnold still sitting there? lol

My mother lived on Isle of Palms SC back in the mid 80's. I had already been storm chasing tornadoes in the midwest since high school with the advanced technology of the time, roll down the window, look and ya might get lucky lol. I had the map on the wall with thumbtacks tracking hurricane positions from HAM radio reports lol. I just happened to go down to SC for a visit the week Hugo came in, that was my first Hurricane. They owned Berts Bar out on Sullivans Island. It blew the roof off the bar and there was 3 feet of sand and pluff mud on the inside. The 2 pool tables were gone, never found them. We rode it out about 2 miles inland. It was nuts. I ended up living on the beach in FL and SC for the next 30 years. Chased hurricanes every chance I got, sometimes they chased me lol.

The technology from the sats to everything else we have today is amazing compared to what we had back then. Especially the modeling. It's getting really good just compared to 10 years ago. After Ida last year think my chasing days are done unless I absolutely have t, or I get to ride in a Hurricane Hunter lol.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:27 PM

44. He finally went offline at about 9:30 pm EDT (he said he only had 2 hours sleep)

I would say my "first" awareness of the damage from a hurricane was 1972 with Hurricane Agnes that really flooded out so much of PA. I was a Girl Scout back then and had gone to a 2-week overnight camp in 1971 that was located near Gilbertsville, PA. The following year when I went back for another summer, the place was almost unrecognizable - mainly because the big creek that ran through the camp property was impacted by the excessive rain/flooding from Agnes (I had gone a few weeks after Agnes came through). And that pretty much turbo charged my weather hobby at that point.

We have had the remnants of many come through here in Philly over the years. I did actually ride out a Cat 1 - Cosme - in Acapulco in 1989. That particular Hurricane Cosme made landfall just a tiny bit south of Acapulco Bay and the eye actually passed over us overnight and I remember all the rain/wind as it came in (and all manner of ships were taking refuge in Acapulco Bay), and then when the winds died down, the skies cleared, and the stars were out. But after that, all hell broke loose with the convection as the back edge of the eye came overheard.

The storm weakened as it cut across Mexico and was down to a remnant low that ended up reforming in the GOM that was renamed TS Allison, land-falling in TX I think. The remnant of Allison eventually came up here to Philly, so I had the opportunity to experience the same storm twice!

After that, the NHC made a decision to have TCs keep the same name if they cross oceans, including if they have enough of a renmant to regenerate in that other ocean.

Haven't chased but have a couple stations and post on a weather forum. Also have a couple radar programs (GRLevel3 and GR2Analyst) to get my fix, among other things.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:53 PM

45. Oh Allison. Had to think for a second.

That name got retired in 2001. Never was a hurricane either. One of the deadliest Tropical Storms ever. I remembered that thing never got strong but lasted for like 2 weeks. Had to wiki that one to be sure but yeah, one of the deadliest Tropical Storms ever. The 2001 version kinda pulled the same stunt, only worse. It goes to show, 60mph or 160mph, water is the killer. You got the kinder gentler version

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Allison

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #45)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:12 PM

46. Oh I know about that other Allison

If you look at that track, you can see why (and how what was left of that one came up here as well)!



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The earlier "Allison" associated with Cosme was in 1989.

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Another that I saw the aftermath of was the 1982 Hurricane Iwa that plowed through Hawai'i (and I went there on vacation in 1986 4 years later). By the time I went there, the ferns that adorned the famous "Fern Grotto" on Kauai'i were only just starting to grow back after being completely stripped from the cave entrance. Then 6 years later, Iniki blew through and stripped them again. I think since then with the help of conservationists, they have recovered.

Mother Nature.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:07 PM

24. And the Rethugs haven't done a thing to help.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:12 PM

26. Very Best of Luck to All the

People in the Path!

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Response to Cheezoholic (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:19 PM

28. NHC confirms landfall at 3:05 pm EDT near Cayo Costa, FL




National Hurricane Center
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305 PM EDT 28 Sep -- Hurricane #Ian has made landfall as an extremely dangerous Category 4 hurricane near Cayo Costa, Florida with maximum sustained winds at 150 mph. The minimum pressure from Air Force Reconnaissance Hurricane Hunters was 940 mb.

Latest: http://hurricanes.gov/#Ian
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