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OPEC just fucked us. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Oct 2022 OP
No doubt this will have an effect and they know it. underpants Oct 2022 #1
As always, it's all about oil. Hugin Oct 2022 #6
Imagine if we had actual real energy independence, BadOmens Oct 2022 #29
Do you mean independence? Chuuku Davis Oct 2022 #30
But this is an excerpt from a Bloomberg article on the cut: marmar Oct 2022 #2
Makes no difference durablend Oct 2022 #4
Wall Street has gotten the news, but the crude oil price is up less than one percent now. marmar Oct 2022 #7
Precisely. Hugin Oct 2022 #9
I'm pretty sure the USA can obtain oil elsewhere ...... Lovie777 Oct 2022 #3
Obtaining oil is not the problem. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #8
Prices are strangely sticky downwards when prices per barrel drop mahina Oct 2022 #32
Problem is that our refineries can't process the oil from elsewhere SledDriver Oct 2022 #25
Well, Canada has oil we are willing to send to the US Disaffected Oct 2022 #31
Predatory Capitalism Emile Oct 2022 #5
The OPEC cartel isn't really aligned with the model of capitalism Amishman Oct 2022 #14
Sure, okay. . If that was true the price would not go up! Emile Oct 2022 #19
Wouldn't it be great if we all lived in a way that minimized our oil dependence? Scrivener7 Oct 2022 #10
Wouldn't it. lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #12
As expected kacekwl Oct 2022 #11
Lets see, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #13
This is really about the Ukrainian War isn't it? Buckeyeblue Oct 2022 #15
They should be punished...and called out Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #16
Oil prices are slightly negative, I don't think this news is as big as people think RAB910 Oct 2022 #17
the news headline is more important than the production cut. WarGamer Oct 2022 #20
RBOB is up 40 cents in a month even *before* this durablend Oct 2022 #28
Not surprising. WarGamer Oct 2022 #18
& GOP house may cut aid to Ukraine jcgoldie Oct 2022 #24
Reckon they ran this by their friends Donald and Jared? Nt raccoon Oct 2022 #21
Of course they are. An unstable US is good for them. haele Oct 2022 #22
And the more bribeable GOP in power nt lostnfound Oct 2022 #33
Demand will drop in the coming recession. roamer65 Oct 2022 #23
That's capitalism. David__77 Oct 2022 #26
Russian Sympathizers. BlueIdaho Oct 2022 #27
Tweet from Josh Marshall budkin Oct 2022 #34
October Surprise. Liberal In Texas Oct 2022 #35
Rising interest rates from all central banks... Xolodno Oct 2022 #36
So- maybe 4-5%? mahina Oct 2022 #37
Gas raised over $1.00 per gallon overnight here in the Midwest. Emile Oct 2022 #38

underpants

(182,984 posts)
1. No doubt this will have an effect and they know it.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:38 AM
Oct 2022

They’ve invested heavily in the Clustertrump and anything green hurts them.

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
6. As always, it's all about oil.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:47 AM
Oct 2022

And greed.

More specifically the exploiters fighting the very public revelation of last summer global warming is really a thing.

The smart money shifted to the ERS (or whatever the acronym is) leaving those with unitary economies built around a single fossil fuel without many options.

BadOmens

(3 posts)
29. Imagine if we had actual real energy independence,
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 11:26 AM
Oct 2022

where a cut like this would just be a blip. Europe as it's reliance on Russia and the US on the Middle East.

But the GOP is all about short term gains and will never see what's needed through to fruition.

marmar

(77,109 posts)
2. But this is an excerpt from a Bloomberg article on the cut:
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:43 AM
Oct 2022

"If the full meeting of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and its allies ratify the proposal, it would have a smaller impact on global supply than the headline number suggests because several countries are already pumping well below their quotas. That means they would already be in compliance with their new limits without having to reduce production."


Hugin

(33,222 posts)
9. Precisely.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:49 AM
Oct 2022

It gives retail the excuse it needs to gouge away.

I have seen this story play out too many times.

Lovie777

(12,389 posts)
3. I'm pretty sure the USA can obtain oil elsewhere ......
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:44 AM
Oct 2022

Well I hope so, this administration probably have weighed on this scenario.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
8. Obtaining oil is not the problem.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:48 AM
Oct 2022

When they cut production the price on a barrel of oil instantly goes up. This raises gas prices which leads to inflation.

mahina

(17,728 posts)
32. Prices are strangely sticky downwards when prices per barrel drop
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 11:46 AM
Oct 2022

Gas still costs 5.60/gal here. 4.66 at Costco. (Honolulu)

Most of the oil used to come from Canada but now it comes from Indonesia

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
14. The OPEC cartel isn't really aligned with the model of capitalism
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:05 AM
Oct 2022

It's a lot more like what you would find in a command economy.

gab13by13

(21,478 posts)
13. Lets see,
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:04 AM
Oct 2022

In 2020 the US imported 5.88 million b/d of crude oil.

In 2021 the US exported 2.9 million b/d.
In 2022 the US exported 3.04 million b/d.

Which means we are still a net importer of oil.

Buckeyeblue

(5,505 posts)
15. This is really about the Ukrainian War isn't it?
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:12 AM
Oct 2022

Create an energy shortage so Europe will demand that Ukraine accepts Russia "peace" proposals.

SA would prefer to have a more "friendly" US government. But I don't think that is driving their decision here. I think it is all about Russia.

If Putin gets displaced by a "democracy" friendly government, Europe and the US will help them gain market share and maybe encourage them to not to participate with NATO's collusion to control oil output.

WarGamer

(12,491 posts)
20. the news headline is more important than the production cut.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:47 AM
Oct 2022

Watch the price of gasoline and how it affects inflation.

WarGamer

(12,491 posts)
18. Not surprising.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:47 AM
Oct 2022

For 3 reasons



1) Tilting the US Election

2) MBS still pissed off because Biden confronted him about Khashoggi.

3) Russia wants energy chaos and to hurt Biden

haele

(12,688 posts)
22. Of course they are. An unstable US is good for them.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:59 AM
Oct 2022

They still get their weapons and commodities from us, as well as our money.

Pain and chaos only creates more profits for them. And keeps us from looking too closely at their mob boss politics and diplomacy, and maybe cutting some of our support for their bullshit rights policies. They do better dragging us down. They'll do the same to their other major allay, China, if China starts interfering with their "internal politics", which will probably inevitably start to happen.

Haele

Xolodno

(6,409 posts)
36. Rising interest rates from all central banks...
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 02:07 PM
Oct 2022

...across the globe are going to cut the demand for oil across the world. So cutting production makes sense to them rather than tank the oil price.

But how long production is cut will be debatable. OPEC nations often quietly start producing more after awhile so they can take increased share of the market. Cartels are notoriously hard to keep production/price controls.

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