Trump has backslid into doing just what Judge Dearie was trying to prevent him from doing...

[kentuck]

...before Judge Cannon ruled against the Special Master.

He was going to require him to say which documents were "planted by the FBI" during the search warrant of Mar-a-Lago. But Judge Cannon said, "No, you can't make him stop lying in public", paraphrasing.

Now, he is back to saying the FBI planted the evidence during their search. He did not take long to prove Judge Cannon wrong in her decision.

[lindysalsagal]

1. Why does anyone pretend we're not dealing with a toddler, here? Why do we expect him to

understand the rules, follow the rules, respect the rule makers....???Why???

[elias7]

4. They need to stop applying a different standard to him

He is a child who will do anything to delay, obfuscate and cloud the truth. The obvious answer is to just say no to all his bullshit. No to a special master, no to all his appeals, since they are just ploys.

[Botany]

2. "Now, he is back to saying the FBI planted the evidence during their search."

So how did the FBI get Trump's handwriting on the documents before they planted it?

[Lonestarblue]

13. Because those documents should have been turned over to the National Archives, so Trump will

just say that he turned them over and the FBI got them from NARA to frame him. Trump never met a lie he wouldn’t tell. If he’s breathing, he’s lying.

[Botany]

17. Just by having those documents @ Merde a Logo Trump was in violation of all kinds of laws.

I had a relative who worked for the military on remote sensing and to this day that
person can't talk about the work and Trump had files on spy satellites in his closet?

Why he is still walking free I don't know. He stole and sold our nation's top secrets to
our enemies (Saudi Arabia & Russia maybe China) end of story.

[Justice matters.]

25. Let's hope the FBI filmed the whole legal search...

Moreso the part where search agents entered the gates and reached his office door, showing who opened it, then how they went to open his desk's drawers, picked the classified documents along with his passport, and placed them on the floor for the "official" pic.

With today's technology available, it should be used to prove how guilty that criminal liar is in Court. If they don't use it to that effect, I can't believe they didn't (how moronic that would be?).

[LuckyLib]

29. Yes. Given that he is a walking factory of lies, they

should have known they would have to document everything.

[onenote]

34. He's had multiple opportunities to make that argument and hasn't

In fact, he's made the opposite argument -- that the documents are "personal records" that didn't need to be given to NARA.

[onenote]

3. He still will have to say what documents were planted.

He just won't have to say it before he was given the documents to review (which never made any sense).

In reality, however, the only documents he was ever likely to claim were planted were classified documents, and the Special Master review no longer applies to those documents.

As a further twist, if Trump claims any documents were planted, he's conceding that the DOJ had the right to possess them.

[kentuck]

6. As obsessed as he has been with the "classification" of the documents...

..one might suspect there is something in there that is very incriminating for him.

[Mr.Bill]

23. Yes, very interesting that the FBI

only planted documents that Trump had already declassified.

This is fucking hilarious. I have five year-old great grandchildren that are better at lying than this.

[KPN]

11. Yeah. His arguments are blatantly stupid and self-contradictory.

His goal is simply to obfuscate in order to delay while at the same time wind and ratchet up his base and their exclamations about pending civil war. — Why the fuck are we playing along by dilly dallying with him? He’s going to incite a civil war one way or the other. It’s only a matter of when. Nothing should be privileged when the perp’s goal is to incite either insurrection, a civil war, or a coup d’etat which is certainly what we’ll get from the fascist right wing if accountability isn’t achieved beforehand. The clock is ticking.

[aggiesal]

15. But he has asked the Supreme(ly Right) Court to reinstate those Classified Documents ...

a void Dearie's decision.

Now we know why. He wants to claim that the FBI planted the classified documents.

And guess who has to make that decision?
Justice Clarence Thomas, because he's responsible for the 11th Circuit Court.

[Mad_Machine76]

26. Would Thomas be able to void Dearie's decision

unilaterally? Or are we just talking about SCOTUS taking the case (which can't be done unilaterally either)

[aggiesal]

35. He could. But 2 things. ...

1) He probably won't, although he doesn't have to ask the full court to produce a Shadow Docket decision (which will probably happen).
2) Why isn't Thomas recusing himself?
Anything Pendejo45 brings up conflict of interest issue concerning Ginni.

[Justice matters.]

27. Yeah, but since he's the only one with conflicts of interests in the J6 case...

if he rules against the 11th Circuit decisions, the case can be taken by the whole court.

And since it's a urgent National Security matter, I don't think the rest of them would confirm his ruling.

[onenote]

31. The motion to vacate is not about "Dearie's decision"

It's about the September 21 decision of the 11th Circuit to stay Cannon's order insofar as it would have included the classified documents in the Special Master review process. Some of those reviewing the motion to vacate have suggested that, even if granted, it still wouldn't prevent DOJ from continuing its review and use of the documents, although I'm not sure I'm fully on board with that reading of the motion.

I'm guessing that when you refer to Dearie's decision, you're referring to the schedule he adopted for the review of the documents and the certification of the accuracy of the DOJ inventory of documents and Cannon's September 29 order rejecting that schedule in part. That decision is not at issue in the 11th Circuit's stay order or in Trump's attempt to vacate the 11th circuit's order.

[world wide wally]

5. This judge needs to see some consequences for her outright corruption.

[Botany]

8. Judge Cannon is not stupid, she is highly educated*, worked in a number of courts, and she knows...

.... exactly what she is doing and that is to run interference for Trump and at the very least delay
any and all legal actions against Trump until after the elections. And her court just happened to be
the one that had Merde a Logo in its district.


*
Early life and education
Aileen Mercedes Cannon was born in 1981 in Cali, Colombia. Her mother had fled Cuba under Fidel Castro.[2] She attended Ransom Everglades School, a private high school in Miami, Florida.[3]

After graduating from Duke University in 2003 with a Bachelor of Arts, Cannon worked as a paralegal for the U.S. Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division from 2003 to 2005. She then attended the University of Michigan Law School, where she was an articles editor for the University of Michigan Journal of Law Reform. She graduated in 2007 with a Juris Doctor magna cum laude and Order of the Coif membership.[1][4]

Legal career
After law school, Cannon was a summer associate at the law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher (now Gibson Dunn) in its Washington, D.C. office. From 2008 to 2009, she was a law clerk to judge Steven Colloton of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. She then returned to Gibson Dunn from 2009 to 2012.

From 2013 until her judicial appointment in 2020, Cannon was an assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida.[4] Cannon worked in the district's major crimes section from 2013 to 2015, then in its appellate section from 2015 to 2020.[1]

Cannon has been a member of the Federalist Society since 2005.[1]

[cab67]

9. I don't doubt she's intelligent....

...but her judgment is askew. Not only are her rulings off - they're flagrantly, glaringly, right-there-for-all-to-see, unintentionally-funny off.

What makes me say her judgment is askew isn't the decisions themselves - it's the lack of any sort of foresight into how this is going to make her look in posterity. You'd think she'd want to run interference, but in a way that doesn't make her look so blatantly partisan.

[Botany]

12. At the end of the day she really doesn't care how her decisions make her look because she knows ....

.... that are based on desired outcomes and not the rule of law. Unless impeached she has a lifetime
appointment and God only knows how money will find its way into her life from billion dollar right wing
sources.

The right wing power people already know that they have to "keep the courts" to still run things because
the demographics doom the republican party in much of America.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

19. Exactly & well said. She is a trumpster & the end justifies the (corrupt/violent) means. nt

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[durablend]

14. Bottom line

Loose Cannon: "YEAH I DID IT--SO WHAT. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? NOTHING"

[FakeNoose]

20. And there it is: "Cannon has been a member of the Federalist Society since 2005"

She's playing the game they want her to play.

[Botany]

22. I disagree "She's playing the game they want her to play."

She is a player in the game that she has always wanted to be in.

[onenote]

33. I don't think that alone explains anything.

After all, two of the three 11th Circuit judges that stayed Cannon's order as it applied to the classified documents are big time Federalist Society members.

[Wounded Bear]

7. Anybody who is surprised has not been paying attention...

[Scalded Nun]

10. To an outsider the decision would be 'wrong', but to her it was exactly right

She knew what he wanted, and she was more than willing to comply.

Looks to me like she is grooming herself for a SCOTUS seat.

[Farmer-Rick]

16. Only if we get another crazy right wing president

Of course since the current Supremely Religious Court is making it up as it goes, and our judiciary doesn't give a sh*t about the rule of law or national secrets, they could allow a former president, who they like, to appoint a Supreme.

Trump thinks he's king of the US for life. I'm sure the Supremely Religious Court will make up crap for him because god.

When your legal rulings are based on magical beings in the sky that only you can understand, then anything goes.

[33taw]

18. Make a finding that nothing was planted

and base it on the DOJ. Trump will be forced to say what is wrong with the finding.

[chriscan64]

21. The only defense he has a shot with is, "I'm a hoarder, I need help!"

But that would be a sign of weakness, he would rather go to jail. The excuses he goes with don't hold water. The boxes he returned in January were not planted by the FBI, and guess what? Those were evidence too. They're all evidence.

Just for shits and grins, I would like to see an average criminal try these defenses. Steal jewelry from Zales, put it in a box with their lawyer's business card, and claim the whole box is protected by attorney client privilege. And appeal up to the Supreme Court when these maneuvers are questioned.

[Heather MC]

24. I'm really surprised not one judge has put a gag order on this Orange monkey

Granted he keeps incriminating himself in public.

But don't they have enough information now that they can make him stop talking

I mean Donald Trump literally makes everybody in his circle sign and NDA.

But the entire United States judicial system can't figure out how to make him shut the fuck up?🤦🏾‍♀️

GAG ORDER THIS ORANGE HOT GAS!

[Justice matters.]

28. Like Hair Furhair is gonna respect ANY gag order...

Let him self-incriminate daily instead.

His Qultists will start their so-called stupid civil war in their living rooms anyway.

[Heather MC]

30. Imagine how much they could fine him every day that he violates the gag order. ALSO

Also Donald Trump loves non disclosure agreements lol

[onenote]

32. what would be the grounds for a gag order

other than not liking what he is saying? Hard to justify a gag order against someone who isn't on trial.