Under what authority is Abbott shipping HUMAN BEINGS around America like they are props?

[Botany]

I hope the Hispanic voters in Texas and around America are paying attention to what
the Republicans are doing to them and what they think about them.

Good God in Butter does this shit piss me off. And they claim to be Christians too.

Bus With About 50 Migrants Arrives At Harris' Residence In D.C. - MSNBC Reports
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017773283

Hello Beto O'rouke's campaign time for some radio, tv, and social media spots in Espanol
telling the truth that Abbott hates Hispanics and treats them like cattle.

[Srkdqltr]

1. His own

[Botany]

4. He is sending HUMAN BEINGS to NYC, Chicago, & D.C. and his authority over those people (which is

.... tenuous @ best ) ends at the Texas border. I hope those people sue the shit out
Abbott on the grounds that he is just an asshole and or something else. And is he using
tax payer money for these stunts?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

7. Might the people have 'signed off' on being moved in this way

And thusly Abbott's authority ending at the TX border becomes irrelevant?

I don't know, I'm just asking

[Midnight Writer]

14. I think it just as likely that they were lied to about what was happening to them.

"You want to go to Chicago where we've got an apartment and a job set up for you?"

[Hugh_Lebowski]

16. These are not mutually exclusive propositions, yours and mine (nt)

[Midnight Writer]

19. Not at all. And I also wonder if the people "offering" bus rides are wearing badges and uniforms?

Refugees arriving in a strange country will probably go along with whatever the authorities urge them to do.

[wnylib]

20. Invalid consent if it was gained deceptively.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

28. I don't disagree however the question posed was 'under what authority is Abbott doing' this

If they signed/consented, then likely 'that's the authority'.

The question of whether that consent was gained deceptively is a different one from the original that was asked.

[wnylib]

29. True, but then, I was not responding directly to the OP.

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I was responding to the post about the asylum seekers giving consent.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

30. Well then, we understand each other

[rubbersole]

2. Rupert Murdoch's.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. He will continue until

a) he loses in court, which means someone has to sue him, or

b) criminal charges stick. Why is that so hard to do since this isn’t a state matter? He’s crossing state lines so it’s a federal matter.

[FloridaBlues]

5. They will continue until someone from Homeland security stops him?

[ancianita]

18. Good Question. Probably. Even then, if Tae Johnson, Acting Dir. of Immigration, or

Alejandro Mayorkas, Sec. of Homeland, try to tell state governors what to do, there might be a jurisdictional battle. This is a huge country with 50 state jurisdictions and the 100-mile inland jurisdiction by CBP and ICE. They might fight it in the name of states' rights and governors inherent state powers.

"Despite the [published] definition, mission statement, and vision [all of which have changed since 9/11], there is no consensus among practitioners and the public as to what the term Homeland Security actually means. Different groups view it differently. The extremes of opinion are represented, for the narrow view, by those who feel homeland security is only about terrorism. They believe focusing on anything additional dilutes, distracts, and weakens the homeland security mission."[citation needed]...

In the United States, the concept of "Homeland Security" extends and recombines responsibilities of government agencies and entities. According to Homeland security research, the U.S. federal Homeland Security and Homeland Defense includes 187 federal agencies and departments,[6] including the National Guard of the United States, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the United States Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the United States Secret Service, the Transportation Security Administration, the 14 agencies that constitute the U.S. intelligence community and Civil Air Patrol. Although many businesses now operate in the area of homeland security, it is overwhelmingly a government function...

The U.S. Homeland Security is the world's largest Homeland counter terror organization, having 40% of the global fiscal year homeland security funding.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_security

In the grand scope of security, this might just be considered a political flap. Just sayin'.

[wnylib]

21. Until Beto wins. Then it will stop.

[Lurker Deluxe]

31. Because??

If/when Beto wins the 6000 people CAUGHT at the border daily will somehow drop to what? 250?

The border is a problem and I do not understand how "our side" cannot see this. I do not get it. More than the population of Phoenix is coming across the border every year. While I welcome immigration, as we all should, how much is to much?

2million?
5million?

Or just fuck it and open it up completely and let 50million in every year? Remove VISA requirements and open this to the entire world ... if you can get here we will let you in. 100million a year.

Where do they go, what do they do? Where will they live, where will they work?

The bussed migrants are causing strain on cities with numbers in the tens of thousands, what is the strain of hundreds of thousands on the border cities?

At some point it is to much.

And the thought that all "hispanics" are against closing the border is foolish. We will be losing more of that demographic ... but hey, just call them "latinx".

That will work.

[wnylib]

33. You seem to have misunderstood my post.

I was not saying that the migrant problems at the southern border would end with Beto's election.

I was saying that the shipment of asylum seekers around the country, as Abbott is doing now, would end with Beto as governor of Texas.

[mackdaddy]

6. Start impounding the buses or planes for investigation of Human trafficking or fraud.

If the companies being hired to do this start loosing the use of their equipment, maybe these dirt-bag governors will have a harder time finding anyone to carry out these stunts.

[wnylib]

23. That is the most immediate way to stop this.

The longer term way is for Beto to win in Texas.

[IronLionZion]

8. Human trafficking

all the while complaining about labor shortage since "nobody wants to work anymore"

[StClone]

9. Abbot can't fix his problems so he has to politicize them...

...and blame sanctuary cities for not liking the unannounced "political prisoner" drop. AND IT IS NOT THAT these cities won't take them...IT is that they come to them as unannounced, and they thus unprepared. If some communication was had, it would be a great help. Two wrongs don't make a right but to Abbot it all about sticking it to us. By the way Abbot, what is your second solution? Build a bigger fence? Abbot must know that the USA fucking up Central America and Global Warming is the blame, not Biden.

[wnylib]

24. Abbott has no desire or incentive to solve the immigration problems.

They are politically useful to him.

[Traildogbob]

10. The right/white wing media

Oligarts have put up hundreds of millions buying up AM radio nationwide broadcasting their bull shit in Spanish. It is working when you see increasing GQP support from Latinos.
Obviously Soros is not matching the Koch/Murdock/Saudi/Russia funding for propaganda. Maybe shift some Jewish laser funding to campaign adds.

[Kid Berwyn]

11. Jiu-Jitsu Commercial Time

Show the REFUGEES arrive in an unknown place and GOOD PEOPLE — DEMOCRATS— responding to help.

Shame DeSatan and all his supporters to hell.

[brooklynite]

12. He's not "shipping"....

He's offering bus service to Washington for interested refugees. He may be misleading them as to what will happen when they arrive, but nobody's being forced.

[bluestarone]

13. I have to ask this though

How do we know FOR SURE? I mean He could be forcing them with unprovable verbal language, or body language? Something is NOT RIGHT here!

[brooklynite]

22. Don't you think we would have heard if anyone was forced to get on a bus?

And what would have stopped them from getting off at the first refueling stop?

[bluestarone]

25. Money maybe, confusion too

Where would they go? What would they do? They are not free to do whatever they wanted to do. Put yourself in their shoes. Pretty scary situation, i think. Just a go with the flow type scenario i think.

[Midnight Writer]

17. Are the people "offering" bus service wearing badges and uniforms? Carrying guns?

Are they promising them they have jobs and housing prepared for them?

I don't think many refugees have the wherewithal to know what rights they have in a foreign country.

[Lurker Deluxe]

32. good question

Are they carrying drugs or illegal weapons?

When they come across the border ...

[Bonx]

15. The authority of the individuals who are agreeing to go.

Pretty simple.

[jaxexpat]

26. Abbott thinks he's special, important and above the rules because........

he's always been the first in any roll call.

Yes, it's just that simple, folks.

On, perhaps, a more serious note. It may help us understand the nature of the current immigrants and how they differ from what may be our preconception. These folks are often fleeing failed states where their lives may be in danger. They may not want to ever return to their country of origin. This is a whole different scenario than what we have seen over the decades. These people are not the historic immigrants who came here to perform migrant, perhaps even seasonal, labor work with plans to save their money to enrich their lives when they return.

[cannabis_flower]

27. They are already doing them....

I see many TV ads in Spanish for Beto. And for Abbott also. Don’t know about radio because I don’t listen to Spanish radio.

[Skittles]

34. yes, ask him where that is in the Constitution

he is a fascist fuck