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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it time to be alarmed again? Recently had phone calls and emails from friends (9) who now have
COVID. All contracted over the past 10 days. ALL had stopped wearing face masks unless required to do so by the venues visited.
WTF?? I haven't been in their presence for months. In the past, they all wore masks and all have been vaxed and boosted. Also heard from family traveling south to help with IAN cleanup and assistance. Three out of 19 have tested positive with the test kits they are travelling with. One is really sick.
It seems that a resurgence is happening. Anyone else hearing similar stories. Also, a virtual book club to which I belong that zooms once a month had to be cancelled because four out of the 7 members were to sick with COVID to want to talk too much. A common symptom my friends are reporting as well as my family is hoarseness and problems speaking. All complain of feeling overly tired.
Anyone else???
I just tested finally negative again this morning. Had it TWICE in the past 3 weeks. Doc says Paxlovid rebound. Fully vaxed and boosted. Ear ache, soar throat, congestion, fever, fatigue. Isolated both times and wearing a mask anywhere in public. Followed all CDC guidelines.
Tetrachloride
(9,337 posts)covid or flu or cold.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)And we are going into colder weather soon, which will make things worse, sad to say...
RAB910
(4,030 posts)malaise
(292,369 posts)Now post Ian volunteers are exposed.
My Florida sibling had Covid despite vaccines and a booster. Thankfully it was mild.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)to document in stirring realism, the false flags and tarnished badges of our current crop, the MAGA "courage" mongers.
It's too ridiculous for comedy.
malaise
(292,369 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Sometimes I am brave, a saber-rattler, danger in a coil, my strike zone, though I play a wiser oldish gentleman and am, in truth, most comfortable there. How does one write the plays of the last innings when surprised that we've even, somehow, stumbled into the stretch? It is a wonder, this orb, circling in the void.
malaise
(292,369 posts)Food for thought😀
dsc
(53,314 posts)now there is summer so no students for about half of June, all of July and most of August but we went from the last week of August till now without quarantines.
ruet
(10,175 posts)It helps to protect others from contracting COVID from you. I don't mean to pick on you but the, "I wear a mask and still got covid", narrative is counterproductive, at best, and still quite prevalent.
Blues Heron
(8,274 posts)From getting it - the virus particles get filtered out so they they dont go up your nose.
ruet
(10,175 posts)You know what I'm talking about and you're just being argumentative. Again, counterproductive.
Blues Heron
(8,274 posts)You are spreading disinformation
senseandsensibility
(24,208 posts)this pandemic. I am surprised that anyone on this board would believe such FAUX news B.S.
moonscape
(5,632 posts)I know its not perfection (not professionally fitted, etc), as a cancer patient Ill take the huge protection it does offer and continue wearing it. My oncologist agrees.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)No one enters my home without an N95. If they don"t have one, I take one out of my box and give it to them before they go through the door.
womanofthehills
(10,695 posts)I was wearing KN95 and there is no comparison. The Aura Fits really tight across the nose and face but very breathable and comfortable. I always wear a mask in stores, but a month ago, I ran into my small local grocery without a mask for a few minutes- there were no cars outside
.but the cashier coughed without covering her face and I got Covid - I think from that short exposure.
I believe how much virus you are exposed to also makes a difference. Easier for your body to fight a small exposure.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)When I tried to order some I could not find a large box of 50 like I have for the Honeywell N95. The Aura price was higher, too. But I am due to order more soon and I will try to get the Aura, even if I have to order 3 boxes of 20.
LymphocyteLover
(9,321 posts)over prolonged exposure
womanofthehills
(10,695 posts)Over not masking any day. Yesterday, a little girl had a coughing fit in the grocery store line - I was thankful I had on my mask.
LymphocyteLover
(9,321 posts)SheltieLover
(76,288 posts)dembotoz
(16,922 posts)mask vs distancing
both help
bottomofthehill
(9,332 posts)https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fmore%2Fmasking-science-sars-cov2.html
Masks both help prevent the spread when you have Covid and when you do not. They both protect you and prevent you from spreading when positive.
CDC, departments of health, hospitals and nursing homes have all proven this to be true. The more you wear a mask, the less exposure to the virus.
If you properly put the mask on and take it off, and wash your hands you dramatically slow the transmission and protect yourself.
Rhiannon12866
(249,559 posts)wnylib
(25,355 posts)treating covid patients?
Ms. Toad
(38,128 posts)and save the masks for medical workers.
While masks are somewhat more effective at protecting others, well-fitted masks are also extremely effective at protecting the wearer - as studies avaialble when the little fib was being perpetuated. And now the myth is hard to get rid of because it was perpetuated by people who should have known better (and who, for the most part, have retracted their statements - but corrections never get the headlines the initial splash does).
So you it is your narrative correction that is inaccurate and counterproductive. People do need to be wearing masks, not only to protect others - but also to protect themselves.
Ziggysmom
(4,024 posts)work almost 2 weeks, tested positive, with aches, fever, sore throat, extreme fatigue. She just went back to work Monday. It's definitely still out there. She's very careful due to having kidney disease. Hope all of DU & theirs stay safe & healthy
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)I was getting better and testing negative then got an infection. End up in the hospital for 8 days.
Demsrule86
(71,467 posts)clots in my abdomen broke off and hit my heart while I was in the ER...so I had a heart attack as well. Thank God it happened in the ER. I am doing well now. I wear a mask and had the vaccine and one booster. I did not however wear a mask to a wedding in June...big mistake. Also, If I ever get it again( God forbid). I am taking the medicine.
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)Im still tired all the time and have brain fog. Its improving little by little though. Also had very low blood pressure for a couple weeks. I was afraid to take a real shower till the last week or two. Just sit down showers or sponge baths till then.
Demsrule86
(71,467 posts)to normal after Covid so I am on meds which were increased today because of the heart irregularities. I got Covid at a wedding I attended on June 18th I believe. I tested positive on June 23, it was quick and mild-I thought. I had the entire family over for July 4th and was dragging it...the next week on a Sunday I became ill with terrible pain on my left side. So be careful, complications can hit 10 days to 14 days my doctor said after a Covid infection. I hope you feel better. I also had lung issues and need breathing treatments and need to use the exerciser to expand my lung capacity which the doctors describe as 'limited'.
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)mahina
(20,375 posts)Demsrule86
(71,467 posts)I also, have my youngest on the couch with a torn meniscus...we are clearing out the junk room the third bedroom for her...she can't walk at all...so it has been nuts here!
haele
(15,045 posts)It's been noticed that whenever there's a surge or a new variant of COVID starting, there's also a spike in 1-star reviews within a day or two of a surge starting.
Yankee Candles are a popular purchase on Amazon, with apparently tens of thousands being bought and hundreds of purchases reviewed daily.
Not being able to smell the candle, or the candle smelling 'off' is one of the most common symptoms of covid.
Sort of like the Waffle House index on local hurricane/disaster damage in the South.
Haele
MissB
(16,340 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,521 posts)IcyPeas
(24,798 posts)femmedem
(8,537 posts)I've been extraordinarily careful--no eating out, no going anywhere without a mask, no events, telling the board of directors at the nonprofit where I work that I didn't think it would be safe to start in-person meetings again. But I had one meeting with one person. She said she had the sniffles but not to worry, it was just allergies. Her mask kept slipping below her nose. That night she developed a fever and tested positive. My good mask wasn't enough to protect me during our 45-minute-long meeting in an unventilated, small space.
Ironically, I had to cancel my appointment for the bivalent booster.
LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)
everywhere. Especially here in NYC. Tourists from all over are here again in SPADES. And the locals are just as bad.
Ive had people make snide comments about me still wearing a mask when out in the midst of this COVID soup they seem intent on cooking up.
I dont know who youre doing this for
Let it go.
Its not helping you
I finally caught COVID in May of this year (after 2.5 years) and know exactly which wet-coughing, unmasked, insisting-I-handle-their-dirty-paper-money person I got it from.
Im fully boosted (1st two plus the three boosters since).
My zip code alone has lost 311 people to it. Im not f*cking about with this sh*tnosiree.
leftstreet
(38,739 posts)I shouldn't be surprised I guess. It's just been so strange to see
Even before Covid, if you lived in, or even traveled through, east Asian countries you wouldn't see this creepy, bizarre social pressure to not wear a mask.
womanofthehills
(10,695 posts)I could care less if they did. If anyone does, I will just ignore them and act like I never heard them.
Hugin
(37,346 posts)The Coronavirus Breeders Association is well represented in my area too.
I know it sounds trite, hang in there, youre not alone.
UpInArms
(53,995 posts)but I have never stopped wearing my mask ...
so, I shall just let those who want to be exposed and possibly get sick, do so on their own.
HeartachesNhangovers
(848 posts)in the last year. But the data keeps showing a downward trend in both infections and deaths.
femmedem
(8,537 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)
So the current data isn't as accurate as it was in 2021, at least for new cases. The downward trend in deaths is more accurate, probably due to increased immunity from vaccinations and prior infections.
LymphocyteLover
(9,321 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,321 posts)say the pandemic is over
wnylib
(25,355 posts)But the data are not accurate on the infections because people test at home and the positive results do not get reported to health departments. So whatever the local rate is, you can assume that the real infection figure is double or triple that number.
Johnny2X2X
(23,670 posts)And trending lower. Stay up to date on vaccines, and wear a mask when you need to.
Emile
(40,405 posts)He's fully vaccinated too!
mgardener
(2,290 posts)Our county is rates are rising.
I know of 5 people who have had it and they were not counted in the health dept #'s.
We are going to Florida on Sat. We will be wearing our masks.
Still wear masks while shopping.
LymphocyteLover
(9,321 posts)rightwingers never seem to complain about it going around and getting sick... they still act like it's no big deal... maybe too stubborn to admit it, or they just go to the hospital in denial and many die in denial, who knows
orleans
(36,656 posts)please wear your masks -- try those nifty n95 ones
wiggs
(8,655 posts)covid, mostly people who have either had it before or who are vaxxed to some degree and so we are hearing about mild symptoms...some with fevers but mostly not.
I read about studies that approx 20% of those infected are having long covid symptoms (higher % for unvaxxed and those with more intense symptoms, lower for vaxxed and mild)...but haven't heard much from friends re longer effects.
Long covid is my main concern. Covid-19 and its variants apparently can mess with so many different body systems, especially neuro and brain, not just for the 4 or 6 days of initial symptoms but for longer...and we really don't know about effects for longer than 2.5 years, yet. Lots unknown and unpredictable on an individual basis, so I'll continue to be careful and try to get it as few times as reasonable. Not going for complete assurance against exposure, but it's so easy to be cautious most of the time, why not? Haven't had it yet as far as I know.
niyad
(129,391 posts)fog and kidney issues. Another friend who got it Oct. '20 still has no taste, very little smell.
beaglelover
(4,416 posts)anarch
(6,536 posts)but then again I've had the COVID at least three times (I think more like four or five, but without significant symptoms for a couple of them, b/c it was within a short time after just having had it and/or getting vaccinated). I have followed all precautionary guidelines and I still mask up when going anywhere; pretty sure I caught it one time from a repair guy who was working on our A/C (and coughing the whole time) and another time from relatives the one single time we've had company at our house since the pandemic began.
The worst long-COVID symptom for me is the lung damage--it's given me asthma; I also still have the "brain fog" periodically--I feel like it's been incremental additional brain damage every time I've been re-infected.
wiggs
(8,655 posts)musette_sf
(10,451 posts)and tested positive upon return.
I have tested daily since the positive test and have subsequently tested negative each day since.
I had noticeable symptoms, not intense but unpleasant and noticeable, on Saturday, and hoped that it was not Day 1 of a siege. Felt better on Sunday, but would say that I feel like I am near the end of a bad cold. Still tired, taking ibuprofen and keeping hydrated.
I masked all the time on the trip - on the plane, in my meeting, and in all public spaces, except for when I ate, and tried to be conscious of distancing while I ate.
This is my third business trip this year. I made it back from the previous trips without getting infected. Now is NOT the time to let ones guard down - I didnt, in any way, and I still got it. Whatever strain I have, I seem to have resisted it well, thank goodness - but still a shock to see that second line come up in the positive test.
PS, fully vaxxed and boosted. Getting my bivalent booster next Friday.
Kaleva
(40,137 posts)relayerbob
(7,356 posts)It hasn't gone away, and isn't going to. It continues to mutate. There is a new strain of Omicron that is better at slipping past vaccine prevention (although the new version helps tremendously). Vaccines don't prevent it, nor do they prevent catching any diseases. They simply train the immune system to deal with the virus. The only prevention is staying masked and distant, and be very careful indoors.
I have lots of friends who have had it recently, and in almost all cases, they were going to concerts, dinners, parties and gatherings maskless.
womanofthehills
(10,695 posts)Are already here - mutations like BA 275.2 plus others that are more evasive of vaccines and natural immunity.
This sucks!! - plus I read the number of mutations in Europe is vast.
The concern with BA.2.75.2 is that our collective antibodies whether primed from past vaccination or a previous case may be less able to recognize this new subvariant and ward off infection.
Specifically, a preprint study published in mid-September by scientists from Europe and Africa found that samples from random blood donors in Sweden were much less likely to recognize BA.2.75.2 compared to earlier subvariants.
The study also suggested the anti-COVID drug Evusheld was less effective against BA.2.75.2. Evusheld is a monoclonal antibody given to people with weakened immune systems to prevent coronavirus infection. Another monoclonal antibody, bebtelovimab, was still capable of detecting BA.2.75.2.
"Taken together, these data identify profound antibody escape by the emerging Omicron sublineage BA.2.75.2, suggesting that it effectively evades current [antibody] immunity in the population," the report said. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-coronavirus-subvariant-ba2752-tops-concerns-as-officials-gear-up-for-potential-winter-wave/ar-AA12tKmU
YoshidaYui
(44,933 posts)fuck it , i will wear a N-91 WHERE ever I GO, and just try and take it from me!!!
seta1950
(963 posts)Never stopped we still have to be very cautious
milestogo
(22,486 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)She works at a hospital.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,508 posts)hospital, or the dentist or anywhere there are people. I can't afford not to do so.
It's second nature now. I just do it unconsciously.
Rebl2
(17,346 posts)my Mom is in has had about 16 residents get Covid since around the 20th of September-couple weeks after Labor Day. Also had about five employees get it as well. We have not been allowed to go in without a mask since last fall. They do have patients leave sometimes to go out with family. Probably dont wear masks while they are gone.
Maru Kitteh
(31,213 posts)As an RN administrator at a LTC facility I can tell you the CMS/CDC guidelines have NEVER allowed for maskless visitors since the advent of COVID.
I cant recommend any facility that plays fast and loose with a disease that is SO DANGEROUS to LTC residents.
This is just sad to me.
Rebl2
(17,346 posts)This nursing insists you wear a mask when you come in. I have noticed a couple of people that work there wear one below their nose-a no, no. Like I said in my post, I think they have visitors come visit in residents room, close the door and take their mask off. So dangerous for the residents. Everyone seems to think this is over, but I am here to say its not. Some people, like me, cant take Paxlovid that they give if you get Covid.
Maru Kitteh
(31,213 posts)To take Paxlovid due to their renal function. Its HARD on your kidneys! Its a terrible twist that the people most likely to benefit from anti-virals are the same group of people most likely to be ineligible to take them.
not know it was hard on the kidneys. I think my moms kidney function is okay so she might be okay to take it, but she is 91. I would not be able to take it because, from what I have read, you have to weigh at least 88 pounds and I dont. I also have kidney issues.
mercuryblues
(16,157 posts)My best friend, her kids, grandkids and Mother all got it again. 2 of my kids and brother got it for their 1st time. All vaccinated.
My trumper brother claims he still has never had it, never vaccinated. I think he is lying. Last year he went to the ER twice in the same week. He would never tell me what was wrong with him.
Raftergirl
(1,794 posts)She came back from a business trip to Italy and went the next day to see her grand baby. Spent 6 hours with him. Then she went to her daughters to see other grandkids.
She had a tickle in her throat but didnt bother to test before she went or mask.
The mom, dad and baby all got Covid as did her daughter and one of her kids.
My cousin was quite sick but she is doing better.
H had it three weeks ago. Took 13 days for him to test negative, He had very mild symptoms and only for a few days. We isolated from each other and I never got it.
Skittles
(169,315 posts)people do "what is within their comfort level" meaning they only give a fuck about themselves
tanyev
(48,596 posts)Several co-workers who had managed to avoid it all this time came down with it. I did not, probably because I am still diligent about wearing a well-fitting N95 the entire time I am in the building. I noticed mask-wearing went up after they recovered enough to come back to work, but its definitely relaxed in the last few weeks.
Maru Kitteh
(31,213 posts)tanyev
(48,596 posts)Maru Kitteh
(31,213 posts)I was asking. So if you are on the panhandle, that means its absolutely on its way here.
So for me that means another season of looking at my residents and wondering who will be cut down. Who will have their already dwindling ledger closed out by a disease we could have stopped?
Its wearing me out in every way possible.
beaglelover
(4,416 posts)We have effective treatments and shots. I haven't worn a mask in almost a year, live my life as I did pre COVID (e.g., eating out often inside a restaurant, going to the gym/pilates classes 4 or 5 times a week, going into the office 3 days a week, grocery shopping in person, etc.). The Company I work for feels that COVID is over and wants people back in the office at least 2 days a week. It's so nice to see people again in the office and going to lunch with them, etc. It's really helped my mood overall to be living like I did before COVID.
wiggs
(8,655 posts)may choose to approach exposure as you do, others may not for good reason.
beaglelover
(4,416 posts)mask, go ahead and wear one. No one if stopping you.
BannonsLiver
(20,204 posts)beaglelover
(4,416 posts)Marthe48
(22,667 posts)Haven't been around them. it is concerning. I am vaccinated and triple boosted. But remaining careful. I was unmasked yesterday in Dem hq when I was there. I saw one person with a mask. I'll start masking when I go back.
JustAnotherGen
(37,489 posts)My mom tested positive yesterday.
I'm masking up like nobody's business.
FakeNoose
(40,053 posts)After 3 or 4 months of doing stuff outside, going to outdoor restaurants, going on picnics and hikes, outdoor games and activities, and not many people wore masks while they were outdoors. I know I didn't. But the weather is cooler and activities are moving back indoors, and we're in the same boat as last year.
People are still carrying Covid, and it's easier to spread once we're indoors and not wearing masks. I need to remind myself, every time I enter a store, restaurant or public building of any kind, I must return to wearing a facemask. Every time.
Covid hasn't gone away and it's going to be back in big numbers if all aren't careful.
phylny
(8,791 posts)Daughter felt sick Tuesday, tested Wednesday, positive.
Son-in-law felt fine, kept his distance and took care of the baby. He tested negative (home tests) for three days after she tested positive, then he tested positive (home test and urgent care).
Baby woke up vomiting and feverish Friday. Positive.
Our daughter said the airplane terminal in Iceland was packed with Europeans, and there were few masks to be seen.
Tree Lady
(12,979 posts)For people who never got covid vaccine and don't wear masks. What percentage caught covid?
I just got my 5th shot yesterday the new one, my side effects weren't as bad this time. Usually lasts 2 days, this time 1. Arm hurt like hell last night better today.
I wear a mask in stores and usually only one or just a few. People are treating it like a regular flu now.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)There is always going to be some outbreak given people have gone back to not masking and gathering in public spaces. There are lots of antivaxxers so they w be out there spreading & superspreading. Besides, the virus will continually morph into variants. The best thing to do is get the boosters (latest one includes omicron strain immunity), continue masking, limit your outdoor exposure as much as possible and take necessary precautions such as washing hands frequently after you've been outside to protect yourself.
Remember, the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. It prevents hospitalization and death in most cases.
Here's a reassuring article: New Omicron-specific vaccines offer similar protection to existing boosters
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02806-5
Maru Kitteh
(31,213 posts)Our long term care facility.
GenThePerservering
(3,146 posts)The DH and I got it probably at a football game (the concourse was crowded) three weeks ago. We're both boosted and vaxed. He tested positive right away after symptoms. I tested negative after symptoms. Then about three days in I became really sick and tested positive. He's back on his bike feeling great. Because my test wasn't positive until later I got really sick, but was back in the gym two weeks later (I've always been masked at the gym).
My only lagging systems are the famous Covid Cough (that's very annoying) and some fatigue. Oh, and my sense of taste is pretty much gone, but I'm not that bugged by it - not a foodie, the cough and fatigue bother me more.
I mask up indoors (if I'd known we'd be crammed on the concourse, I would have masked up then, too). We have a very high (like 90%) vax rate here.
It's becoming an inevitable consequence of life on this planet - it's better to accept it and mitigate it as much as possible, and take care around vulnerable people.
bullwinkle428
(20,660 posts)ecstatic
(35,004 posts)but she tried to play it off like it was allergies.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)All I know is I have not had any colds, or annual sinus infections since March of 2020 when I began to wear a mask. I used to get really bad sinus infections at least twice a year.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)and I won't attend any venue more crowded that a grocery store....
It seems rare that I see another masked person, usually older folks...
Dorian Gray
(13,845 posts)And it has been awhile. I'm in NYC, so maybe there is a resurgence. Nobody is all that sick, though.
Celerity
(53,571 posts)Just_Vote_Dem
(3,527 posts)And the bride-to-be has already informed me that "no one wears masks here"
BannonsLiver
(20,204 posts)My advice is to fire up the Google and leave the mask on.
Ms. Toad
(38,128 posts)There was one very brief period last April/May when it was reasonable to go unmasked based on the community transmission rate (which measure the level of infection in the community). Outside of that time frame, most communities have been at either orange or red since the rates first started being measured.
From a likelihood of infection standard, what has changed is the CDC is pubicizing a different number: The community rate - which largely ignores the prevalence of COVID in the community, focusing almost exclusively on whether the hospitals can handle the number of infections expected to be generated.
That said, "alarmed" isn't quite the right descriptor - people should continue to take precautions against transmission because (1) COVID never went anywhere and (2) everything we are learning about long-term consequences makes this a more - not less - dangerous disease.