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mcar

(42,424 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:36 PM Oct 2022

One Poll Can't Show That the "Dobbs Effect" Is Gone

Momentum may have shifted to the GOP. It may not have. One poll, flawed or not, tells us nothing.
By Joan Walsh

It's said to be wrong to kick a person when he or she is down. If Monday’s New York Times/Siena poll were a person, it’s been stomped so severely that a compassionate observer would step in to stop the fight. But even though the poll that launched a thousand headlines claiming the midterms are moving back toward Republicans, and that the so-called Dobbs effect—a shift to Democrats after the Supreme Court did away with a 50-year-old constitutional right to abortion—is subsiding, has been pretty thoroughly debunked by pollsters and progressive analysts, it still deserves attention (but no kicking here, folks).

It’s a case study of what even “good” polls can do wrong, and, maybe more important, of how journalists looking for a “new” story line hype outlier polls without understanding the first thing about what they mean—as well as the way voters should think about new polling as we get closer to the crucial election....

The detail that got the most hype, though, from the Times write-up: “The biggest shift came from women who identified as independent voters. In September, they favored Democrats by 14 points. Now, independent women backed Republicans by 18 points—a striking swing given the polarization of the American electorate and how intensely Democrats have focused on that group and on the threat Republicans pose to abortion rights.”...

The biggest flaw in the poll, which was sadly the fact most hyped by mainstream journalists, was that alleged 32-point swing among “independent women” to Republicans. It’s based on 95 women, and its margin of error is at least 10 points. “Nobody should have reported that as truth,” Bonier told me.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/midterms-polling-abortion/

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One Poll Can't Show That the "Dobbs Effect" Is Gone (Original Post) mcar Oct 2022 OP
Early voting suggests that it is definitely NOT gone. Sky Jewels Oct 2022 #1
And MSM is ignoring this to push their mcar Oct 2022 #2
Including here. nt Wednesdays Oct 2022 #14
Yes it does. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #3
95 women. The weighting that goes into any of these polls The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #4
And a 10pt margin of error mcar Oct 2022 #5
Might as well be throwing darts blindfolded and spun around three times. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #6
+1, ... omfg, why was this junk poll even considered in anything?!?! uponit7771 Oct 2022 #12
Click bait. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #13
This is why good polls oversample subgroups VMA131Marine Oct 2022 #11
Seems like the hype is a dirty tricks operation. nt delisen Oct 2022 #7
If so, it's on the NYT's part mcar Oct 2022 #9
Well, the NYT has done it before Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2022 #15
And the non-stop front page HRC destruction mcar Oct 2022 #18
'The biggest flaw in the poll, elleng Oct 2022 #8
Right? mcar Oct 2022 #10
Toothpaste Statistics localroger Oct 2022 #16
Women have periods once a month...we haven't forgotten shit about Dobbs. Nevilledog Oct 2022 #17
I haven't had one for nearly 10 years mcar Oct 2022 #20
TY mcar & Joan Walsh! 💕🤷‍♂️ Cha Oct 2022 #19
Let's hope mcar Oct 2022 #21

mcar

(42,424 posts)
2. And MSM is ignoring this to push their
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:38 PM
Oct 2022

"Dems are doomed" message. And some on the left are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
4. 95 women. The weighting that goes into any of these polls
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:42 PM
Oct 2022

To account for age, location, and god knows what else renders the results of something like this meaningless. 36 pt swing in one month jfc.

VMA131Marine

(4,158 posts)
11. This is why good polls oversample subgroups
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 05:14 PM
Oct 2022

when they specifically want to understand where those subgroups stand on an issue. In any national poll of 1000 voters, the crosstab results are going to be highly suspect.

mcar

(42,424 posts)
9. If so, it's on the NYT's part
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:55 PM
Oct 2022

and on all the MSM for jumping on what was, obviously, a flawed poll so close to the election.

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,820 posts)
15. Well, the NYT has done it before
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:21 PM
Oct 2022

Remember "No evidence re Trump and Russia" just before the election?

elleng

(131,236 posts)
8. 'The biggest flaw in the poll,
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:55 PM
Oct 2022

It’s based on 95 women, and its margin of error is at least 10 points.'

localroger

(3,634 posts)
16. Toothpaste Statistics
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:23 PM
Oct 2022

This is a classic example of what How to Lie with Statistics called Toothpaste Statistics, as it was used by toothpaste sellers to "prove" their wares clean better than the competition. You do a bunch of studies with a small sample size and large error margins, then pick the one that favors you because the error went in your favor to put in the commercial.

mcar

(42,424 posts)
20. I haven't had one for nearly 10 years
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:47 PM
Oct 2022

I haven't forgotten shit about Dobbs. I have a 15 month old granddaughter who should have the same rights as I did.

Cha

(297,833 posts)
19. TY mcar & Joan Walsh! 💕🤷‍♂️
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:46 PM
Oct 2022

Hopefully this latest NYT Shite gets Even More Women to the Polls Voting BLUE!💙

mcar

(42,424 posts)
21. Let's hope
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:48 PM
Oct 2022

But, honestly, women shouldn't need any more motivation than Dobbs and the Republicans.

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