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Momentum may have shifted to the GOP. It may not have. One poll, flawed or not, tells us nothing.
By Joan Walsh
It's said to be wrong to kick a person when he or she is down. If Mondays New York Times/Siena poll were a person, its been stomped so severely that a compassionate observer would step in to stop the fight. But even though the poll that launched a thousand headlines claiming the midterms are moving back toward Republicans, and that the so-called Dobbs effecta shift to Democrats after the Supreme Court did away with a 50-year-old constitutional right to abortionis subsiding, has been pretty thoroughly debunked by pollsters and progressive analysts, it still deserves attention (but no kicking here, folks).
Its a case study of what even good polls can do wrong, and, maybe more important, of how journalists looking for a new story line hype outlier polls without understanding the first thing about what they meanas well as the way voters should think about new polling as we get closer to the crucial election....
The detail that got the most hype, though, from the Times write-up: The biggest shift came from women who identified as independent voters. In September, they favored Democrats by 14 points. Now, independent women backed Republicans by 18 pointsa striking swing given the polarization of the American electorate and how intensely Democrats have focused on that group and on the threat Republicans pose to abortion rights....
The biggest flaw in the poll, which was sadly the fact most hyped by mainstream journalists, was that alleged 32-point swing among independent women to Republicans. Its based on 95 women, and its margin of error is at least 10 points. Nobody should have reported that as truth, Bonier told me.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/midterms-polling-abortion/
Sky Jewels
(7,178 posts)Roe Rage endures.
mcar
(42,424 posts)"Dems are doomed" message. And some on the left are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
Wednesdays
(17,453 posts)Demsrule86
(68,734 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)To account for age, location, and god knows what else renders the results of something like this meaningless. 36 pt swing in one month jfc.
mcar
(42,424 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,158 posts)when they specifically want to understand where those subgroups stand on an issue. In any national poll of 1000 voters, the crosstab results are going to be highly suspect.
delisen
(6,046 posts)mcar
(42,424 posts)and on all the MSM for jumping on what was, obviously, a flawed poll so close to the election.
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,820 posts)Remember "No evidence re Trump and Russia" just before the election?
mcar
(42,424 posts)in the guise of "fair and balanced?"
elleng
(131,236 posts)Its based on 95 women, and its margin of error is at least 10 points.'
localroger
(3,634 posts)This is a classic example of what How to Lie with Statistics called Toothpaste Statistics, as it was used by toothpaste sellers to "prove" their wares clean better than the competition. You do a bunch of studies with a small sample size and large error margins, then pick the one that favors you because the error went in your favor to put in the commercial.
Nevilledog
(51,234 posts)mcar
(42,424 posts)I haven't forgotten shit about Dobbs. I have a 15 month old granddaughter who should have the same rights as I did.
Cha
(297,833 posts)Hopefully this latest NYT Shite gets Even More Women to the Polls Voting BLUE!💙
But, honestly, women shouldn't need any more motivation than Dobbs and the Republicans.