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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think just about all of these debates are useless exerices. They really do not make a difference.
If you already like a candidate then you will think that him or her did a great job and
if you don't like somebody you will be able to find fault with however she or he did and
their thoughts on issues.
And the only thing worse then most of all of the debates is the talking heads telling you
what they think they just said and how you should feel about it.
BTW Fetterman just had a stroke and it took a minute or two to find his words so what?
But the conservative owned media will make it into "The Dean Scream 2.0."
Just remember it will be Roevember in 5 days. Get out and vote and get your friends and their friends out too.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Except maybe one person here and there might change their mind. Thats what I tell myself.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)That is how many votes George Bush won FL by.
Yes, they matter.
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)But when they finished counting, Gore actually won by almost a million votes.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)That's throwing shit at the walls stuff.
I firmly believe Gore won but it was a lot closer than that.
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)It didn't get much coverage in the press because W was already President.
ITAL
(636 posts)It really depended on how votes were counted. By the rules Gore asked for Bush would have won.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ballots-story.html
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)Almost no coverage. Seems like 100 years ago now.
Botany
(70,504 posts)BTW in the late spring/early summer of 2001 a real count of the Florida Vote (the one that the SCOTUS
stopped) showed that Al Gore really won the state but players like the NY Times and the MSM decided
not to publicize that fact because it would be too divisive.
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/11/13/florida-black-ballots-affected-most-in-2000/16784e7d-439a-4b96-9653-1b7362312d2a/
John Ludi
(589 posts)that the one marginal effect might be to keep a few people from the polls here and there. People are not likely to switch ideologies.
At this juncture if I felt that a Dem was less than capable for the office they are pursuing (which is not how I feel about Fetterman), I'd still vote Dem and just hope that they were capable of hiring a competent staff...which is something I doubt most Republicans are going to be focused on, if Trump is any indication.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)eligible voters casting a ballot. That leaves about 80 million people who could have voted choosing not to. The debates are for them. To get just a few of them to cast a ballot.
Stuart G
(38,423 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,449 posts)They force candidates to answer to their record and claims.
Now, more than ever we need them.
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)right wing media.
newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)there will be voters turned off by the performance. It's not fair, but reality.
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)Botany
(70,504 posts)w bush was crushed in all 3 debates w/Kerry but he still "won." (not counting OH 2004)
HRC trashed Trump in all of debates 2 or 3 in 2016 ... one of which Trump was loudly
snorting as if he had just done some coke or adderall
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)split country. I see no good way out of the mess we are in.
Watching season 5 of Handmaid's Tale doesn't improve my mood, either!
Botany
(70,504 posts)Suggestions:
Support high quality public education
Get rid of the electoral college
Presidential elections should only be 6 months soup to nuts
National high speed internet every where
Plant native plants
All voting should be on paper ballots ... either mail in or in person
Get the dark money out of politics.
Make it illegal to put out proven lies and call yourself news.
Read Doug Tallamy and Peter Wohlleben (the hidden life of trees) books
Increase voter turn out
Call out those Christo Fascist mother fuckers for who they are.
People should understand that most of tomatoes that are picked very late in the season
will get some kind of bacterial crap and not turn ripe and edible
Understand that the environment, energy, and the economy should be treated as one issue.
And expose all of the Trump/Russia connections along with all those shits who went along with
the coups of installing Trump in 2016 and the one on 1/6/21
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)Botany
(70,504 posts)n/t
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)Maybe debates do then in fact matter
Some folks are not political news junkies and use the debates as their metric
And for the political news junkies, the media has to come up with something to say
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)...speak on issues outside of commercials
Elessar Zappa
(13,991 posts)Elections these days are won and lost by very small margins.
Earth-shine
(4,005 posts)vile, she voted for Biden and with a completely republican ticket.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Other than the psychotic weirdo outliers, debate skills count for next to nothing when it comes to elections. Hell - they arent even really debates any more. A candidate would be better off holding town halls answering peoples questions and cutting ads from them.
Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)I don't think that they're entirely useless, as they sometimes create new narratives, attack lines, give the R the opening to make unforced errors (which they are wont to do). Granted, the committeds are not going to shift but might take away an Indy voter or maybe even a soft R