Young single men should also be terrified of abortion being banned.

[fightforfreedom]

Remember when you were young? I do. Remember the one night stands?

If abortion is banned the one night stand will begin to disappear. It will be much harder for young single men to get laid. Young women will become much more protective.

When it comes to sex the Republicans want to bring us back to 1950's. They also want to ban the pill. They want to end the sexual revolution which began in the 60's.

If young people are paying attention they should vote in big numbers this election.

[multigraincracker]

1. Republicans want to ban birth control too.

No more condoms.

[Maraya1969]

13. That's insane because condoms also protect against disease!

[multigraincracker]

25. This would be their birth control...

[FoxNewsSucks]

34. No one ever accused them of being sane.

Vaccines also protect against disease, and those morons won't get their shots either.

[Bettie]

68. Yeah, but in their world

condoms also "encourage gay sex". So, they want them banned as well.

[SharonAnn]

40. So they're prepared to pay child support for 18 years? For each child they create?

I don’t think they’ve thought this through.

[DENVERPOPS]

66. Great call SA

I was thinking the exact same thing!!!!!!!! And with DNA, it would be a slam dunk..............

[onecaliberal]

67. They won't actually be made to pay. Come on now.

[dickthegrouch]

87. Name one of the six scroti on the birth certificate

They are in a very real sense the fathers of any pregnancy that is brought to term as a result of anything other than free choice.

[jmowreader]

76. Strangely enough...

Before Griswold, condoms were the only birth control that was allowed to be sold…but their baby-preventing capabilities could not be discussed on the packaging. They could only be sold for “disease prevention.”

The Germans, on the other hand, don’t have that problem: when I was stationed in Berlin, the top-selling prophylactic in West Germany was branded “Anti-Baby Condom.” After AIDS hit the scene the company decided to cash in on the large gay market and stocked the condom machines with one slot of “Anti-Baby Condom” and another slot of “Anti-AIDS Condom.” (I am not sure whether it’s a law or just really good effort on the part of the manufacturer, but every bar in Berlin has a condom vending machine in every restroom…and people buy tons of them.)

[babylonsister]

83. They want everyone to be birthing those (white) babies. nt

[mainer]

2. More incels on the way

I hadn’t thought of that aspect

[Elessar Zappa]

3. Yup.

For selfish reasons, men should be terrified of abortion bans. Birth control comes next.

[Aviation Pro]

4. Their next step is to take rape from a crime against a person

To barely a misdemeanor.

But only for white men.

[2naSalit]

39. +1

[Warpy]

63. It was a property crime in a lot of states until very recently

Charges brought by a father or husband whose property had been damaged by a rapist.

[Bettie]

69. Given conviction rates

it already is.

[Wicked Blue]

5. In that case, child support begins at conception nt

[calimary]

28. BOOM! We have a WINNER!

Child support.
Getting in line for the preferred pre-school.
… and elementary school
… and high school
… and college.
Don’t forget, you better start saving for college.
And don’t forget to stock up in diapers.
… and baby food
… and baby clothes
… and a reliable washer/dryer.
And make sure you’ll have the stroller
… and the baby monitor
… for the baby’s room
… uh, that means you’re gonna need a bigger house
… or apartment
… that’s close to what ELSE you’ll need
… from supplies to babysitters to pediatricians to tutors to help with house-cleaning and carpooling and…
And…
And…

Get the idea?

[roamer65]

6. A lot of them will start to discover their bisexual side.

Be scared of the ones that don’t. Those will be the true terroristic incels.

[SheltieLover]

12. Yup

[roamer65]

91. ..

[Maraya1969]

15. Do you think a lot of straight men could just have gay sex? It always seemed

like women tend to be more fluid sexually but not men.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

41. Give them no other choice? Sure they will, esp. younger men w/higher testosterone

I think if everyone was to answer the question honestly, we'd find most men's first sexual contact happened as boys, with other boys, before the age at which 'sex with girls' became a real option. Talking 10-13 years of age. Even dudes who grow up to be straight this happens. It's very, very common. Not saying, like, butt sex, but playing with each other and oral, that kind of thing.

So while it's not 'preferred' (if you're straight) it's something most males have done in their lives, so it's not that foreign a concept.

Take away all other options, it'll become appealing again to many of them.

The average person's sexual preference is not nearly as static as many make it out to be.

[getagrip_already]

42. woman may be more "openly" fluid... but men are also....

Just not as publicly. They are more of the glory hole "do it in secret" types. You would be shocked to find out who you know is into m-m quickies.

But without protection, it is very risky. And once birth control is restricted, STD shaming will be the next target. There will be public health lists posted publicly detailing who tests positive for what.

Count on it.

[Meadowoak]

49. As a gay man, I can tell you, a lot of straight men love gay sex,

But they will never say that out loud.

[Gregory Peccary]

73. I think by definition a man who loves gay sex is not really a "straight man"

An argument could be made that most folks are actually bi-sexual whether we act on it or not.

[roamer65]

92. It's true.

As a gay man, I see it as well.

[IronLionZion]

7. Supposedly demand for vasectomies have shot up

[ShazzieB]

9. Yes, I have seen some stories about that.

I also saw an advice column letter along the lines of "Help, since the Dobbs decision my wife is refusing to have sex with me unless I get a vasectomy!" So it's not just the single guys who are affected!

[StClone]

16. On a lighter note

FEDEX, UPS, and Amazon workers are seeing a lot more shipments of sex "toys."

[IronLionZion]

19. That helped a lot of lonely people during lockdown

[yellowdogintexas]

18. Lysistrata in the 21st Century

someone needs to do a parody of the play using current circumstances.

I am totally surprised someone has not done so already.

[greblach]

35. Lysistrata

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[multigraincracker]

31. I got mine at Planned Parenthood.

Member for life after that.

[AZ8theist]

37. Yes, but that doesn't solve the Texas rape problem

Only the Great and Powerfull Gov Abbott can wish that away!!!

[ariadne0614]

8. If abortion and contraception become unavailable, there oughta be another law.

Henceforth, the person who impregnated the other person SHALL contribute to the support of the resulting child of said one-night stand for the next 18 years. If female menstrual cycles can be monitored, then DNA samples must be collected from every post-pubescent male. Equal Justice Under Law.

[LaMouffette]

14. You beat me to it! Per google, the cost of raising a child from birth to age 18 is $300,000.

If females are banned from having abortions, the males who impregnated them should have to pay $300,000 for the child's upbringing. The full amount, not just half, since the woman is prevented from ending the pregnancy.

I agree with your view that males should give DNA samples, too, if females' menses are monitored.

And how about banning Viagra if contraception is banned, too!

[BOSSHOG]

22. I would suggest

The Catholic Church be “forced”, since forcing people or institutions to do stuff puts a smile on conservative faces, to provide financial support to all babies forced to be born until they are at least 21 because by god that’s what Catholics want.

That church spent more then 4 million dollars in Kansas in an attempt to codify their religious belief (which can be found nowhere in the Bible) while maintaining their tax exempt status. Was the vote result a wake up call for zealots? No.

Since Churches don’t give a damn about the separation of church and state let’s do away with it and turn loose the assessors.

[Wicked Blue]

54. I like this nt

[Captain Zero]

81. I like that charge the Catholic Church

Also no catholic men get dick pills anymore. That shit has to stop.

[childfreebychoice]

30. As a childfree by choice, can't imagine anything worse than being forced

To remain pregnant. Add to that, maternal/infant death rates for black women rival some third world countries.
We used to get calls fr our senior friends about becoming expats, now it ppl under thirty...heightened racism, homophobia, and abortion ban, given as reasons for wanting to leave
I wished I shared Michael Moore/Biden beliefs about election, but I see ron Johnson pulling ahead in wi, and I just smh. We r sitting for citizenship text next yr, in expat country...tired of this rollercoaster

[SharonAnn]

44. I've said that for many years. Keep the DNA of every male on file.

[Wicked Blue]

53. Retroactive to date of conception nt

[dickthegrouch]

89. Another possibility would be

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17232257

[Maraya1969]

10. I can't wait until one of them gets their mistress pregnant and she goes public about her

"boyfriend" offering to pay for travel and an abortion in another state OR COUNTRY.


At some point it is going to happen. Before women could just take care of it privately. But these slimy men are the ones that turned it public - they'll get their comeuppance.

Edit: To add that it did just happen with Hershel Walker. He is down in the polls but not by much. I think the abortion with the girlfriend helped us.

[Iggo]

46. Yep. No internet before Roe. Different world now.

What they used to do in secret is harder to do in secret now.

[CrispyQ]

11. Any man really, who enjoys sex without worry of conception.

Imagine, your youngest child leaves for college. You & your wife are looking forward to life after kids. Travel. Freeing up some of your budget to spend on things you want. Then one day the pregnancy test turns blue. Guess what dude? You're having a baby! At your age!

[Texin]

21. It happened to my new husband and I back when I was 46 or 47.

My worst nightmare. Actually, I'd never been pregnant before. The two of us discussed the issue, and he was very emphatic he didn't want any more babies to raise. He had two then-adolescent and young teen boys, born about 14 to 16 months apart (Irish twins I guess). And for my part, they were a handful, even though we only had them for about two weeks each month.

[Unwind Your Mind]

43. I was 44 with high blood pressure

And taking meds for it that cause birth defects. It probably would have killed me if I were forced to go ahead.

[Texin]

17. They need to be afraid of more than that: looming paternity suits.

The courts are going to be logjammed with them going forward (if this is allowed to stand). I never would have thought I'd live long enough to actually see The Handmaid's Tale play out in the 21st century.

[uponit7771]

26. +1

[Hope22]

72. Yes, I would think so.

First abortion, next birth control and after that come the babies. Health care, day care, none of it is cheap if it is available. I can’t believe that this is framed as a women's issue. It blows my mind!

[fightforfreedom]

20. All of us here at DU gets it.

Banning abortion, banning the pill, would completely change our culture for the worse. It would destroy countless lives in many different ways. Women will die, teenagers forced to have a baby. Teenagers forced to get married with very little chance of it lasting.

Teenagers, women, would turn to the black market to get an abortion. I hope young people are paying attention. I know women are.

[Texin]

33. That's the feature, not the bug. These rethuglicans want to beggar Americans.

They want a huge preponderance of Americans to be wage slaves. They want to beggar the middle class.

[FelineOverlord]

23. Young American men are choosing vasectomies

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-health-men-choosing-vasectomies-story.html

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20221024-vasectomy-the-us-men-embracing-permanent-birth-control

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/06/29/abortion-vasectomies-roe-birth-control/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-men-young-23-choosing-183722078.html

[Farmer-Rick]

24. This is forced Christianity

This idea that a clump of cells is a human baby is strictly Christian. No other religion in the US, besides most all Christian religions, are pushing this idea.

You know why? Aside from Christians having serious problems about sex, they think the clump of cells has a soul. You know that is behind their most stupid idea that abortion is murder. It's all about the imaginary soul they think the clump has.

There's no evidence of any soul especially in a clump of cells. But they believe in a super sky daddy without evidence so this is no surprise. Superstition is so easily manipulated.

It's all made up to control the masses. What with all their feudal wealth, the filthy rich oligarchs need some people to subjugate and turn into serfs. And superstitions are just the ticket for abusive control.

[uponit7771]

27. +1

[Texin]

32. No. It's forced Nazism. Fueled by evangelical-driven right wingers.

[Farmer-Rick]

36. Perhaps both

Yeah, there are definitely Nazi characteristics to forced birth. But weren't Nazis Christians too?

[Elessar Zappa]

50. Nazis actually persecuted the churches unless they were 100% Nazi.

Many pastors and priests ended up in concentration camps.

[Iggo]

47. And, not or.

[Deep State Witch]

29. Nah, They'll Just Continue

To do what they've always done - stick it in their pants and walk away, leaving the woman to deal with the consequences.

[GoCubsGo]

59. Exactly right.

Lots of young women will be hearing the old, bullshit "I'm sterile" line before he whips it out, too.

[PatrickforB]

38. You know, when I was a teen, living at home - this is around 45-46 years ago,

I can remember getting ready to go on a big date with this girl, G.

My mother came into my room (she never knocked and was DEFINITELY inconvenient - at least I thought so at the time).

She looked me up and down, and said, "Now, don't get anybody PREGNANT!"

She went on to tell me that if I did get someone pregnant I would be responsible for getting a full-time job and helping to raise the baby. She said I would probably have to quit school, and grow up real fast.

You know how teens do. I gave her a scandalized look and said, "Mom!!! I won't!"

And you know what? I never did. Not until I was married (to a different woman) and we actually wanted a child. And...there WAS a harem suit involved

[Iggo]

45. Young single men tend to be morons.

They already don’t think ahead when it comes to sex. They’re not gonna start now.

[WestMichRad]

52. Indeed!

Having been one(!), and seen the behavior of my peers, there is no doubt in my mind that this is true for most young men.

[getagrip_already]

48. remember their ultimate goal....

It isn't abortion - that is just a first step.

The religious fascists want to end all sex outside of marriage (except that which they themselves enjoy). To do this, they are following a playbook:

- Stop all abortions, which will force unwanted penalties on sinners
- Jail anyone involved in abortion, distributing contraceptives, or violating public "norms" such as being openly gay
- Stop Birth control, which will also stop STD protective measures and result in yet more reasons not to engage in sex
- Publicly shame and jail anyone found to have an STD - their theory is this will keep people from engaging in sex
- Jail anyone found distributing abortion drugs, contraceptives, or treating (other) people confidentially for STD's
- Arrest people for consensual non-marital sex or cohabitation

And we know much of this has already been law. So it isn't really a far stretch.

[milestogo]

51. CHILD SUPPORT lasts for 18 years.

[Wicked Blue]

55. 18 plus 9 months nt

[GoCubsGo]

60. That's if you can get him to pay it...

[Scrivener7]

64. 44% of custodial parents who are owed child support actually receive it.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/cb18-tps03.html

[Scrivener7]

56. OMG. "Young single men should support abortion because without it

there will be no one night stands."

Jesus.

Wouldn't it be nice if young single men - or any man - would support it because they recognize that women are actual human beings and only they have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies?

Fucking one night stands? Really?

SMDH.

[fightforfreedom]

77. I guess when you were young you didn't have one night stands.

For young men, teenagers, a one night stand is a badge of honor, bragging rights. It's been that way forever. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. Where did you grow up?

[Scrivener7]

78. Again, oh my God. The tone-deafness of this is just sick.

[fightforfreedom]

79. I understood your post, you did not understand mine.

You are taking it out of context.

[Scrivener7]

80. I understand you just fine.

[Victor_c3]

57. As a guy who thinks primarily with his penis, I've been saying something along those lines for years

My life’s primary mantra has always been to give women as few reasons as possible to not have sex with me.

That guides my everything from how I treat women as equals and with respect and dignity to me wanting all women to have easily access to birth control and abortions.

Republican guys need to start thinking more with their penis in regards to issues affecting women.

[Zeitghost]

88. I always treated women well

Because they're people.

[Wibly]

58. No Shit Sherlock

Which young man wants to be facing a lifetime of support payments as a result of a fun night out?
Especially if that young man doesn't come from a family where his Mom and Dad are stinking rich, and even if he does!
The GOP aren't just in trouble with women of breeding age. This Roe thing has all segments of society up in arms.

[Native]

61. "If young people are paying attention..." - that's what scares me.

[NJCher]

62. this is republicans

[The Mouth]

65. I used a condom *every* time up until I had a steady, monogamous GF

As much as I favor abortion on demand and think *NO ONE* but the mother (and her doctor) should have any say, it's damned well the guy's responsibility as much, or more. Zero empathy for any idiot who doesn't take responsibility for his part, he can damned well pay child support the rest of his life if he's too lazy and/or stupid to use protection.

I 'came' of age in the late 70's and early 80's, just as AIDS was really ravaging not just the gay community but had started to kill 'straights'; a condom was, to anyone not too stupid to be Darwinbait, a no brainer.

[OnlinePoker]

70. When has it ever been easy for young single men to get laid? n/t

[MissMillie]

71. Removal of fundamental rights means EVERYONE should be afraid (n/t)

.

[Vinca]

74. That one night stand might also amount to 18 years of child support. Multiply that

by a couple dozen one night stands. You'd think young men would be racing to vote for Democrats.

[jerseyjim]

75. Totally expected

When the Supreme Club "cancelled" Roe, I though, if I were a woman, especially a young woman, I would withhold sex for this reason.
So, I hope men have been paying attention and will vote accordingly.

[Captain Zero]

82. Will stocks for dick pills start falling soon?

Maybe I should take a short position.
Get it? A short position.

[world wide wally]

84. i guess election day will tell us how impartant this actually is to women

[Scrivener7]

85. Oh no. According to this thread, this election is a referendum

on one night stands. So if you like your one night stands and Democrats don't win, that'll be all your fault.

[mercuryblues]

86. On the other hand

Can you imagine a guy having 5 women pregnant at the same time? Imagine if 50% of the woman he has a 1 night stand with in a year ends up pregnant.

[treestar]

90. Why shouldn't women ?

Shouldn’t they be equally concerned about losing these wonderful experiences ? The idea that sec is something g me get and women lose by outs you more on the right side of the spectrum.

[Jspur]

93. This is pretty stupid and I say

this as a guy who is pro choice. I’m 39 and single so I’m not young but gave dates younger women and trust me even after this horrible reversal of roe v Wade they are still willing to have unprotected sex. I always use condoms for protection in general since I don’t want kids. Young people are always reckless when it comes to having and wanting sex. I know plenty of guys who ended up with kids by not using protection. One night stands are not going anywhere.

A better argument for young men would have been to tell them if they knock up a girl that abortion is no longer an option.