Would you be amenable to a policy requiring "Twitter" in an OP Subject line?

[msfiddlestix]

Obviously for posts containing one or more Tweets in the Original OP.

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[muriel_volestrangler]

1. No, nor for one that would require "YouTube", "CNN", "blog", "relative" etc.

[ck4829]

2. Maybe not as a requirement, but as a common courtesy?

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. Why is it "courteous" to say there's a twitter link in a post?

It's only if you visit Twitter itself that they can display promoted tweets (which get them revenue). A tweet embedded here does not get them money.

[msfiddlestix]

11. when I click on and open the OP containing a Tweet, it automatically opens up the Twitter Account of

original tweeter, and sometimes opens up the account of a follower.

In effect, I've suddenly and inverdently been navigated to Twitter which I then have to go through the motions of closing out of, then closing out of the OP. it only profits MAGATS and their benefactors including advertisers.

Why would any of us support that?

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. That's really weird.

It sounds a bit like a problem a few people had on DU several years ago, when opening one DU page would also get their browser to automatically open any page that was linked from it. It only happened to a few, and I can't remember what was done to fix it (it may have been related to what is called "prefetching", but I'm not sure).

Does it happen to you with other links on DU - eg just a normal link to a news story in LBN?

[Sympthsical]

29. For me, it happens on the phone all the time

Using a PC or laptop it's not a problem.

But if I'm skimming along on my phone and open a tweet OP, welp, my phone is about to open the Twitter app and load . . . something up. Might be the tweet. Might be something else at random.

It's rather annoying.

[msfiddlestix]

33. I've been using chromebook, which is not like PC's or laptops!

[msfiddlestix]

32. Oddly, its only twitter this happens with...everything else, I have to intentionally click

I'm using chromebook which has its quirks, but I've learned to make the required adjustments when giving up and replacing bulky computers for smaller devices. Sacrificing some functionality I was accustomed to with PC's has been challenging.

[DiamondShark]

40. Why?

Because I have twitter.com blackholed and posters that link that are wasting MY time.

A little disclosure will let me skip the twitter threads.

[msfiddlestix]

7. I noticed a few people do this in practice, which is great. But most don't unfortunately.

I have had to learn how to read an OP subject line through a de-coder lens. Which isn't particularly easy.

I'm in the habit of clicking on an OP which holds interest to me, and too often I click before I grab the decoder.

It's more than annoying, because the slightest hovering motion opens the tweet so that I now have to exit out of both links in order to avoid going through it again repeatedly.

My intention is to avoid serving Musk a single penny of profit.

I know my money won't be missed. But if others join in an informal boycotting, it might send an important message to advertisers.

[Emrys]

52. I've never seen an ad on Twitter.

I use Ghostery on Firefox. I have a Twitter account for convenience, though I never tweet. I've seen spam Tweets, which amount to ads, but they're easy to sidestep, and my simply seeing them doesn't add to Twitter's revenue.

I'm also in the habit of generally (1) indicating in the subject line if a post is Twitter-based or Twitter-heavy, and (2) extracting as as much text as possible from a Tweet, along with any images that can be isolated, and posting them after the tweet itself. And when people do (2), we get complaints from some about repetition, so there's no winning!

I think making this a forum rule would be overkill. Making it a forum rule because of quirks of the method you use to browse DU seems like it would be even more overkill! But it probably wouldn't affect my posting on DU.

Put simply, there are many OPs on DU, and especially breaking information, that would never have been promulgated without Twitter. It's just another outlet, and one that's significant enough to be quite a loss if it was "banned", which it seems like the trend this OP is aiming for.

If DU hadn't wanted people to post tweets, its architects wouldn't have added the facility to have tweets display as they do.

[jmbar2]

3. If we go there, I'd also like a David Pakman warning.

I don't want to hear him drone on for 15 minutes about a 3 min piece of news.

[msfiddlestix]

8. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[PatSeg]

37. Good point

Often the commentary adds absolutely nothing to what the video clips already said. Most people can listen to a video and figure out what is going on.

[Celerity]

4. No.

[MissMillie]

5. Yes, especially if the tweet has a video

I don't watch the videos, mostly out of respect for the people around me (I don't expect the people around me to have to listen to what I'm listening to, and I don't wear ear phones.) I prefer to read the stories.

Frankly, I think the titles of OPs should give some sense of what the post is about--except maybe posts in the DU Lounge.

Merely my opinion.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Do they autoplay for you?

I've never had the video in a tweet autoplay.

I agree titles should give a sense of what the post is about, but that is rarely "Twitter". Twitter is usually a medium that someone has used to communicate with.

[msfiddlestix]

13. Yes, that's the word. Autoplay

[MissMillie]

15. no, but the tweets take forever to load

especially when ads are loading too. I wish I could afford to deal w/ the ads, but we pinch pennies as it is and winter heating bills are on the way.

So I end up waiting for something I'm not going to watch.

(Not that much different than other videos (YouTube), I admit. I know I can't make people post the way I'd like them to, but I wish that every title had a way of telling me what I'll see in side.)

[Celerity]

24. Tweets do not autoplay on DU

[msfiddlestix]

44. they do on my device.

[Celerity]

48. I have autoplay enabled on Twitter and no matter how I view a DU post with a Tweet, it only plays

if I click the Tweet or go and view it on Twitter.

[msfiddlestix]

49. Apparently, we have different experiences. Did you see EarlGs post? A Win-Win solution in the works!

DU4 will have features in the headers indicating the Op contains Twitter or YouTube..

He posted in this thread with a diagram how it will appear..

I'm looking forward to it. So banning posting those platforms will not be necessary, and good for those who wish to avoid funding Trump supporting Elon's bank accounts via revenue streams.




P.S. I just came across info about a new platform called Blue Sky. it's in the development stage apparently and Jack Dorsey is the owner, I think. Anyhow, that might be worth looking into.

I was hoping to see an alternative come into play.

[Nittersing]

54. I'm keeping an eye on Blue Sky as well. nt

[msfiddlestix]

57. ✔️

it will be interesting. I always hated the term "tweets".

When DU4 is launched, I wonder what color code will be given to Blue Sky. Twitter is blue which is almost anathema in my eyes, with maggots hatching all over it.

[EarlG]

9. FWIW, this will actually be unnecessary on the upcoming DU4 software

For Star Members at least, we have a new (optional) feature which will allow you to see at a glance if an OP contains a tweet or a YouTube video. On the Latest and Greatest pages, a little blue square after a subject line means it contains a tweet, a little red square means it contains a YouTube video (if it contains both, both will appear):





These indicators can be turned on or off in settings.

We still don't have a firm deadline for the launch of DU4, but it is much closer to the end now than to the beginning. We have actually already started testing with members of MIRT, and things have been going well so far.

[lpbk2713]

14. Excellent idea EarlG. Thanks.

When this happens I will be able to take a lot of people off of full ignore. Up till now whenever I would see a post with three or more Tweet links full ignore would come next. That is just excessive.

[msfiddlestix]

16. Fantastic EarlG!!!

I really look forward to this development!

Everybody wins. you rock! Thank You again!

[EarlG]

27. Thanks

And "everybody wins" is kinda the plan

I'm well aware that tweets on DU are annoying to some, but obviously we have a lot of members who like them and I think the overall consensus is that we should not just straight-up ban them from the site.

So this seemed like a good compromise -- we allow people to continue to embed tweets, but also provide the ability to easily avoid clicking through to them, if that's what you prefer.

This system won't be able to notify you about tweets in replies, of course, but since OPs seem to be the main point of contention for most people, this should hopefully go a long way to improving things for folks who don't want to see them.

[msfiddlestix]

31. I think it's the perfect solution! Yes, Win-Win

I'm really grateful and appreciate your responsive replies which help mitigate a significant measure of angst central to personal views about those platforms.

[usonian]

17. I like the text warning (i.e. "tweet") that I can block.

Fortunately for me, one or more of my computers along with Firefox, will not preview (i.e. load) the tweet, and shows only the (merciful) link.

Thx!

[EarlG]

26. Understood -- I was actually just asked if

we could essentially allow the auto-trashing of threads which contain a tweet or YouTube indicator. I explained that this is not something built into the current system, but should be technically possible if there's a demand for it. While it may not be available at DU4 launch, I plan to continue making small updates and improvements to DU4 after launch, so it's something we can look into in future.

[MrsCoffee]

19. +1000

[niyad]

22. Thank you. As always, you and Elad are ahead of the game, taking care of us.

[sl8]

30. Excellent. nt

[PatSeg]

38. Brilliant idea, thank you

[Maeve]

39. Cool! Looking forward to it!!

[Lucinda]

43. ❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[Meowmee]

12. I think it is a good idea

I also think it is a good idea not to post titles such as... oh my guess what.. and stuff like that. The title should make it clear what the post is about so people don't waste time if they don't want to. And posts with articles linked should also, as well as putting in the really relevant snippet from the article which explains the point and not some preview that requires you to read the entire article and go to a site etc. Maybe you may anyway. Last, please don't post articles linked and sections for sources with a paywall. In addition, don't post the same subject matter numerous times.

Is that asking too much... 😹😁

[msfiddlestix]

20. on board culture seems to have morphed into code reading!

like we're supposed to "guess" ..

If I could "guess" or mind read, what's the point of clicking? !!!

[Meowmee]

41. yep, lol

or the point could be that it is click bait of type etc.

[MrsCoffee]

18. Be more amenable to a policy banning tweets.

It's gonna be a cesspool.

Yeah, I know... I'm probably in the minority there, but I'm so fucking over that platform I could puke.

[msfiddlestix]

21. I personally ban like it did with facebook

But just like with FB, so many friends and family use it

Tick Tock is another I REFUSE.

for about a nano second I let my daughter talk me into it in order to "keep up" with my granddaughters' communications.

no thanks.

[niyad]

23. Did you see the OP the other day about the Guardian article on tiktok?

[msfiddlestix]

45. No, I didn't see that article about ticktok.

I just intuit that it's an evil platform, especially for teens. I have a 14 year old granddaughter that "learned" how cool it is to get into cutting herself with a razor blade in order to self-sooth and other self-harm fun things you can do on tiktok,

She's in Treatment right now. It's been a very heartbreaking crises in our family this past month.

[niyad]

50. OH no. So sorry to hear this. Wishing her a speedy and complete recovery.

I am so sorry to have caused additional pain. Please know that your DU family is here for you and your family.

[msfiddlestix]

51. No Worries! You have not caused any additional pain.. it's been a hard process, and I've been

dealing with it pro-atively. the spectrum of emotions has been a bit startling in some respects. But, working on it and I'm in a better place, at least at the moment. She's doing well, right now. I hope it's lasting, we'll see.

[iemanja]

25. How about a subject line for Politics USA or the Palmer Report?

Because those are shyte sources. Or the Daily Mail? Of course, there is no such rule, so why should Twitter be different? You can click on the thread and then ignore it when you see it is twitter. The fragility about Twitter is bizarre.

[LeftInTX]

34. Yes, I will click and then go..Ugh...

Too sensational!

[demmiblue]

35. People constantly complain about tweets, yet they sure seem to respond to and rec a lot of them!

I have the people who post "tweet of the ___" on ignore because I never open those threads (and said posters are among the worst when it comes to posting duplicate threads), but I can see them when they make the front page of DU due to recs.

My only complaint when it comes to tweets is that a few people here post tweets that contain false information. They often get a ton of recs because people want to believe them. Not a good look.

[iemanja]

36. Yep, I agree about the false information

and I personally don't post them. But I have seen some posts with tweets that are useful. Nevilledog posts some good ones. They usually back up the tweet with an article.

[msfiddlestix]

46. Supporting a platform for TRump is bizarre?

ok. duly noted.

[iemanja]

55. Trump isn't on Twitter

He was banned. So clearly Twitter is NOT a Platform for Trump.

[msfiddlestix]

56. he is able to rejoin. and just in case you missed it, white supremacists rejoined as well.

yes I know a few them was just kicked off (again) just now, but not all of those who were banned previously.

[eShirl]

42. maybe have a forum just for twitter posts, or

make them go with an existing one, like Editorials & Other Articles?
I dunno

[Liberal In Texas]

47. I'd rather see a "Onion" or "Borowitz" in the subject line

for those satire OP subjects that look like they are real.

It's hard enough to tell reality without having to open the thread and suss it out.

[Emrys]

53. +1,000,000!

A few times a week or month, I have a "Doh!" moment when I feel like I've been had, despite my sensitivity to satire. It's not a major, major deal, but if we're talking about annoyances and timewasting, then those sorts of posts are contenders. I've tried using catchwords to block them, but they still sneak through.

Then there are the very frequent OP titles that are just a personal reaction line. For some reason, they seem to get clicked on more than ones where the subject's made explicit! So there's little incentive to post clear title lines that indicate what the OP's about.