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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIS CNN now becoming a new Fox News type of outlet?
I woke up early and they had on two chyrons ..... around 5 AM
1) African Americans are no longer supporting the Democratic Party
2) Latinos are uncertain about Biden
Those are really rough quotes but it looks like the PTB are pushing for a republican win on Tuesday.
In my opinion. I dont watch CNN any more
Celerity
(43,340 posts)(CNN)
The Democrats hope to maintain control of at least one chamber in Congress comes down to Republicans blowing it. For a time, that looked quite plausible because of the unpopularity of the GOP brand at large and Republican candidates in specific races. But as were now less than a week from Election Day, the momentum is clearly on the Republicans side and the possibility of a Republican rout has increased.
Why? Were dealing with a deeply dissatisfied electorate, which almost always means the presidents party is punished by voters. Take a look at a Gallup poll released on Tuesday. Just 17% of Americans say they were satisfied with the direction the country was going. Thats the worst in any midterm since at least 1982, when Gallup first measured satisfaction in a midterm.
Importantly, this satisfaction with the direction of the country is highly correlated with midterm outcomes in the House. In the midterms when more Americans are dissatisfied than satisfied with the direction of the country, the party that held the White House has lost an average of 33 seats. That jumps to 46 seats in a presidents first midterm.
If we look at seat totals instead, the party holding the White House ends up with 186 seats on average when more Americans are dissatisfied than satisfied in a presidents first midterm. This would be an over 35 seat loss for Democrats in the 2022 midterms. Never has the Presidents party ended up with more than 204 seats when more Americans were dissatisfied than satisfied.
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LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)dchill
(38,484 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The "CNN is turning right-wing" is a viciously untrue conspiracy theory that originated with the ultra-right Free Beacon, then amplified by a reporter with the Daily Beast with a long history as the Executive Editor of the right-wing National Enquirer and multiple Murdoch owned rags.
Then it was pick up by the credulous far-left echo chamber.
But it is total bullcrap.
Just in the past week CNN had run a devastating series on right-wing extremism in America.
Don't believe everything you read.
debm55
(25,164 posts)man to see which way the wind blows at CNN.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)And I've read countless posts from people who have basically said, "I don't watch, but that's what I've heard."
And I watched the conspiracy theory start.
It went viral on the "left" after it appeared in the Daily Beast (in an article from a reporter with long time right-wing ties) that used the Free Beacon (ultra-right) as his source.
I think people have fallen for a far-right conspiracy theory, including invented "quotes" (of things Chris Licht has never said).
Liberalism depends on an attachment to truth and reason, as far as I'm concerned.
debm55
(25,164 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)
watch less and less. I am 67 years old and have been a faithful watcher of CNN since Turner started it, I have been around long enough to see the shift. How is it truth and reason to always say both sides do it, when it is just not true? Thank you.
debm55
(25,164 posts)conclusion. By the way, theories are different then conclusions.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)is based on people watching CNN.
It began with bogus claims made by an ultra-right source and got picked up w/o credulity.
debm55
(25,164 posts)or are still watching. Asking for a friend.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)on the threat of right-wing extremism.
I try not to watch too much cable news, but have watched more CNN lately just to be sure the conspiracy theory is false.
debm55
(25,164 posts)their guests? so you can come to your conclusion.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)CatWoman
(79,301 posts)These threads serve as your Bat Signal
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)and watches any of it live or clips on the internet.
They do still have liberals, and some good programming. But look at what they present all day long, and how.
At times one certainly wonders how many corporate media employees post here, and if that's part of their job. . . .
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Did you read what just a box of rain wrote above?
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)That defense is regular as clockwork on certain topics like this.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Try Googling CNN and the (ultra-right) Free Beacon to find out where this bogus conspiracy theory started.
It is sad when supposed liberals get hoodwinked by MAGAts.
debm55
(25,164 posts)down, the anchor are slyly slipping in the both sides do it. And sometimes not so slyly. What the daytime broadcast and the evening with Trapper. I swear Trapper must have a buzzer in his ear where he is told *say both sides are guilty of doing this. Because both sides are not guilty of doing it.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)in this country and its threat to American Democracy? It was outstanding.
debm55
(25,164 posts)By the way that series was in production, It was more likely done before the change.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)As an aside, I was also accused of being in the employment of PBS as a social media shill last week by the same guy that suggests I'm working for CNN today. LOL.
The Ken Burns doc was a great.
CNN did a series of hard-hitting episodes on current right-wing extremism and the threat to American democracy that it poses recently. It was very well done.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)As has been pointed out to you, that documentary was already in production.
In any case, the occasional documentary or good liberal guest isn't the problem. It's the rest of what is happening at CNN, and corporate media in general.
That BS argument is like saying we should revere Liz Cheney because she hates MF45. Yeah, she's doing some good. But she's still Liz Cheney.
And CNN is still moving right and trying to shape public opinion in favor of the right. To all our detriment, because they are more subtle than the likes of NewsMax, therefore more influential to that group of Americans in "the middle".
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Please make that a non-whopper.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)me curious so I logged out and looked. And then I found this pack of DAMN LIES from you.
So you mad you got caught in that DAMN LIE, bro?
STILL waiting for all those links to all those times I called you a Republican.
DiamondShark
(787 posts)You are correct in the first part. CNN took a hard right when the new CEO Chris Licht laid off multiple hosts.
Source Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Licht
On his first day as chairman and CEO of CNN, Licht sent a memo to all employees saying, "Sadly too many people have lost trust in the news media. I think we can be a beacon in regaining that trust by being an organization that exemplifies the best characteristics in journalism: fearlessly speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo, questioning group-think and educating viewers and readers with straightforward facts and insightful commentary, while always being respectful of differing viewpoints. First and foremost, we should, and we will be advocates for truth."[22] One such method involves limiting CNN's use of the term "breaking news" to stories that have a significant importance.[23] Licht has expressed a desire to change negative perceptions of CNN among Republicans.[24]
In late 2022, Licht received criticism as CNN terminated the contracts of several long-time correspondents including Brian Stelter, John Harwood and Jeffrey Toobin.[25] The Washington Post described the moves "as the latest evidence of a shift to a less politically charged tone under new leader Chris Licht."[25]
also see
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217067954
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217144657
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217084333
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)It is hard to imagine more welcome words from an incoming president of a cable news network.
DiamondShark
(787 posts)I like to read things in context, that is why I posted the links to back me up.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)what good liberal Democrats should hope to hear. At least as far as I'm concerned.
I want great journalism. CNN has needed improvement for a long time.
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Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Chris Licht is calling for good and truthful journalism, those are good aspirations in my book.
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DiamondShark
(787 posts)debm55
(25,164 posts)Xoan
(25,320 posts)absolutely nothing related to your claim.
Got a link?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Free Beacon + CNN + Chris Licht should suffice.
Then check Lachlan Cartwright's article at Daily Beast that used this ultra-right publication as its source.
The conspiracy theory was launched there.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)members of this forum, explicitly in contravention against of the TOS here.
Bad show!
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)I'm still waiting for you to post ANY link to back up your DAMN LIE.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)Also, if it were someone's job to go to message boards and argue on behalf of their employer, why would that be an "ugly motive"?
As long as I didn't have to lie and try to convince people the opposite of what they are plainly seeing for themselves, I'd think that would be a good job.
Personally, I think lying in support of corporations, media influencers and polluters should be against the TOS.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Your suggestions to the contrary are are patently false.
What is your purpose here? Can't be to engage in a friendly fashion with other Democrats.
Cut the crap.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Any progress on finding those links?
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)Nor would I consider it "ugly" . I don't know who you think accused you of working for PBS or why that is brought up in a thread about CNN, but you should take that up with them.
I'd suggest a memory-refreshing review of your own posts first though.
Good day!
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Its not.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)That's a bad look on you.
And contrary to the TOS of this forum.
Not cool.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)iemanja
(53,032 posts)Because according to a number of Duers, all the news agencies are a RW plot.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and CBS.
I must have missed NBC. LOL
Prairie_Seagull
(3,318 posts)Just tell the truth FFS. Giving voice to deception is a third world stunt.
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)Why would you expect anything else from corporate ownership?
JohnSJ
(92,187 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)Big corporations, that's who. And what do big corporations want? Lower/no taxes and fewer/no regulations. What does CNN want? More ad dollars from big corporations.
Mz Pip
(27,441 posts)I really dont have the time or inclination to have cable news on all day. It gets repetitive
If Im driving Ill listen to Nicole Wallace.
Its all just too anxiety provoking.
demmiblue
(36,845 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Zero tolerance for bs. 😉
NoMoreRepugs
(9,417 posts)gulliver
(13,180 posts)I think we are losing quite a few African Americans (particularly men) and Latinos. Someone needs to ask them why we lost them so we can correct the error we made as soon as possible.
tavernier
(12,383 posts)a political Super Bowl, a November World Series.
Thats what keeps tv sets going.
They wouldnt be as effective.
CNN is also a tool of the wealthy, but it serves a different function than Fox News.
Dont watch it
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)Botany
(70,501 posts)n/t
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Takket
(21,563 posts)CNN's new programming director very publicly a month or two ago announced they were going right and even met with members of the gop to promise them they would be going right. they are targeting the fox news demographic who are most of the people watching cable news.
don't get your info from there any more.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Chris Licht said nothing of the sort. These are pure "inventions" that don't hold up to fact-checking, and have been de-bunked, but the conspiracy theory won't die.
We laugh (rightfully) at Trumpists when they fall into absurd conspiracy theorism.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)why is the network making them? What other reason is there?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Why do you keep making false accusations about lifelong liberal Democrats such as myself, is a more germain question.
That behavior really sucks.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)debm55
(25,164 posts)that the Hourly News Anchors are slyly and not so slyly putting in their broadcasts are getting to me. It's just not true about the both sides do it. I still like some of the on the on site reporters-Shamon. I do still watch Jim Acosta and Anderson.. I don't know if Lemon turned when he switched to anchor the morning show, but I will not get up to watch. Have also noticed more conservative and ultra conservative guest being brought on with no one questioning them for the lies they are saying.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)I dont plan on changing that anytime soon.
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3634717-changes-spark-chatter-of-cnn-is-shift-from-left-to-right/amp/
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/10/objective-cnn-rightwing-week-in-patriarchy
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The first doesn't even pretend otherwise.
The second (if one reads it) says the "changes" at CNN are to get back to higher-standards of journalism, which is precisely what we could hope for at CNN.
Straight-forward truthful reporting helps Democrats.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)our throats that because CNN aired an already-in-production documentary they are not moving to the right?
Stop telling us we can't believe what we see right in front of us.
debm55
(25,164 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:42 PM - Edit history (2)
I still watch Acosta and Anderson. Cnn is not totally Fox, but have shifted to the right form my observations.
egduj
(805 posts)If you like what they're reporting then no they're not. If what they report upsets you, then yes it is.
Celerity
(43,340 posts)If you read the insider sheets like I do they are chock full of palace intrigue and rumors about Keilars imminent demise. Last week she went on a multi-day obsession about the presence of Marines in the background for Joe Bidens big MAGA Republicans speech. This was a 48-hour hullabaloo. People can reasonably disagree over whether it was the appropriate optics. But she simply would not let it go. To me it seemed like a rather transparent effort to curry favor with Licht and show she could adapt to the new regime. Dylan Byers new column in Puck suggests that this was the takeaway within CNN as well. The most striking thing about Lichts firings to date is how they are choreographed for public consumption, particularly right-wing media consumption. They also seem designed to instill not only fear but uncertainty within CNN ranks which will lead on air talent to, for lack of a better word, discipline themselves without being told to directly.
Heres what I mean. When an organization like CNN wants to fire someone there are many ways to do it. One is to go to the person, explain that the organization wants to move in another direction and find a way for the employee to leave, at least outwardly, on their own terms. If theres a contract outstanding, that can be negotiated. My sense with both Stelter and Harwood is that they got what amounted to a call out of the blue that they were out, more or less without warning and out immediately. Stelter got the call a few days before what was to be the last episode of Reliable Sources after a 30 year run. The sign off and atmospherics with Harwoods departure look similar. A call out of the blue: youre out. In both cases the first public comments from the canned employee suggested as much. This very public choreography is designed to generate mass schadenfreude on the right: the bête noires Fox has been harping on for years suddenly marched to the top of the pyramid and hurled to the ground.
The abrupt and public approach is designed to be humiliating for the purpose of satiating the critics who long to see these folks hurt and who CNN wants to appeal to. Its the whole cry more mentality. Public mockery of other peoples injury is a core leitmotif of Trumpism. Trumpism is dominance politics. To use Adam Serwers phrasing, the cruelty is the point. So the plan within CNN is not only to appeal to the Trump world but to do it, appropriately enough, in the language of Trumpism. Licht appears to be driving a similar effect within CNN. Reports suggest Licht has made very little effort to explain to anyone at CNN just what his plan is. He wants CNN to be more centrist but how he plans to do that or precisely what that means arent clear. The few comments hes made within CNN seem to amount to, youll find out soon enough or well see. This is clearly a deliberate strategy to keep everyone guessing, to draw their own conclusions from the bodies flying past the office windows.
It is again classic Trump: Keep people around you in a state of suspense and uncertainty because it gives you leverage over everyone. Its a style of performative dominance. As weve discussed in other contexts, the Trump aim behind media bias bullying is never to create specific editorial adjustments. Its to demonstrate power, get the targets of the ire to confirm with their own actions the substance of the charge. Theres isnt any personnel shake up or revised editorial line that would lead Donald Trump to say, Well they were totally fake news but theyre looking pretty solid now. The point is to stomp and chortle at the kowtowing and demand more. But perhaps Licht is on to something in realizing that what he can never deliver in terminations or right-leaning editorial interference he can edge up to with the language of performative Trumpism.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)EVERY incoming president of a network makes changes.
That is in the job description. Network presidents get no credit for carrying over shows of their predecessors. And there has been no wide scale purge at CNN.
The conspiracy doesn't hold water. But it seemingly won't die here on DU.
W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I'm not complaining about that.
W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)I was surprised to see awhile back that Michael Smerconish still had a show with them -- they could cut him and his low ratings, yes?
Scott Jennings is also a very partisan pundit.
I would say both of those conservatives are far more partisan than either Harwood or Stelter were.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)Who precisely? The CEO of Discovery is a Democrat. I looked up his campaign contributions.
Celerity
(43,340 posts)iemanja
(53,032 posts)Is to return CNN to straight reporting and away from liberal commentary. That is NOT Fox News.
Also, someone who serves on a board of a parent company and owns relatively little stock in that company does not constitute "management" of CNN.
Celerity
(43,340 posts)iemanja
(53,032 posts)And you posted a piece claiming CNN was under Republican management in support of the OP.
Whether it is a new Fox News is the point of the entire thread. It is hardly a non-sequitur.
Celerity
(43,340 posts)perfectly rational and realistic stance, IMHO, but your mileage may vary.
I also have stopped watching it, for the most part, as I think they are a poor source of information, on balance. I also think it will get worse.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)I prefer print news myself.
Celerity
(43,340 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Truth hardly seems to matter once conspiracy theories take hold.
Has anyone suggested that *you* are a paid shill for CNN yet? LOL
The internet.
GoodRaisin
(8,922 posts)Licht is no Roger Ailes.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)They have increasingly been gravitating to the GOP, though a majority still support Democrats. Republicans have done a lot of on the ground outreach to make that happen.
I suspect your summary of what they said about African Americans is greatly exaggerated, and the danger is less their supporting the GOP than in some not voting in this midterm.
From what I've seen, CNN isn't turning into Fox News, not even close. Does that mean you won't periodically see something you disagree with? No, and if people can't handle that, they shouldn't watch or read news period. All I hear these days is how every news outlet, from MSNBC to NPR, is MAGA. That says more to me about the poster than those outlets.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)they are selling selling selling, that is not news.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)I hardly watched anything unless someone in my house was watching and I happened to walk in the room of any news lately. I suppose I will watch some election results after I vote probably otherwise I just watch old TV shows or documentaries etc. I have a lot of work I have to do and I like to have the TV on in the background sometimes I turn the sound off too though lol.
I am sick of listening to most of these people who dont know anything more about anything than I do myself and I can just read about it online.