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Botany

(70,501 posts)
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:18 AM Nov 2022

IS CNN now becoming a new Fox News type of outlet?

I woke up early and they had on two chyrons ..... around 5 AM

1) African Americans are no longer supporting the Democratic Party

2) Latinos are uncertain about Biden

Those are really rough quotes but it looks like the PTB are pushing for a republican win on Tuesday.

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IS CNN now becoming a new Fox News type of outlet? (Original Post) Botany Nov 2022 OP
Yes claudette Nov 2022 #1
Just one piece of evidence: Why Republicans are gaining with less than a week to go (CNN) Celerity Nov 2022 #76
Yes. LakeArenal Nov 2022 #2
It is their fondest dream. dchill Nov 2022 #3
Yes, from what I've read. SheltieLover Nov 2022 #4
What you "read" isn't true. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #10
How would you know what I've read? Are you saying CNN isn't turning rwnj? SheltieLover Nov 2022 #14
Absolutely. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #25
Don't you trust we are intelligent enough to see the changes for ourselves? You don't need a weathe debm55 Nov 2022 #42
I dunno. I use my own mind. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #44
And so do I. I base my conclusion on what I have observed from watching CNN. Because of that I debm55 Nov 2022 #61
That isn't what I asked you.I asked you if you think we are intelligent to watch and reach a debm55 Nov 2022 #85
I don't think the bogus conspiracy theory that CNN is "going fascist" Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #90
Have you watched CNN lately? In all your posts you scold people but you never say that you watched debm55 Nov 2022 #94
To the contrary, I mentioned watching an excellent series that CNN has been running Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #95
Yes, you did mention that. But do you watch CNN daily to make any observations--like the anchors? debm55 Nov 2022 #96
Don't worry, dear. We don't believe everything we read. Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #49
LOL!!! CatWoman Nov 2022 #91
Group think is sad, especially when it advances ultra-right conspiracy theories. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #92
Sure seems true...I heard the Black voters and Hispanic voters meme for days now. Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #23
Sounds like it to me as well. SheltieLover Nov 2022 #24
It's obvious to anyone who reads the news, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #26
That's my take on it. SheltieLover Nov 2022 #28
Unfortunately, yes. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #29
Ah, ok. Tyvm. SheltieLover Nov 2022 #32
I hope you did. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #37
Do you watch CNN. I retired. Used to have it on all the time, especially during covid. As I said debm55 Nov 2022 #39
Disd you watch the outstanding series they ran recently on right-wing extremism Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #40
I watched the Ken Burns documentary. Is that what you are talking about. If not the answer is no. debm55 Nov 2022 #41
No, the Ken Burns documentary ran on PBS. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #43
So? FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #50
CNN isn't moving "to the right" and repeating falsehoods three-or-more times doesn't make it so. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #54
How about if you tell just one big whopper of a lie? Does that make it so? Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #56
Like claiming I'm on your ignore list? LOL Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #59
LOL. You were. But I kept getting replies that didn't show up. And that made Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #60
CNN isn't moving "to the right." DiamondShark Nov 2022 #97
Listen to what Chris Licht said here: Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #98
I was not able to find the link in your reply. DiamondShark Nov 2022 #99
The point being, what Chris Licht said when he took over as president of CNN is precisely Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Nov 2022 #101
New York Post? I'm not sure what you are talking about, frankly. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Nov 2022 #109
That's ok, I forgive you. DiamondShark Nov 2022 #113
wait a moment, the question was only asked 5 minutes ago and you already have an answer? debm55 Nov 2022 #115
I tried and found ... Xoan Nov 2022 #114
Not going to link ultra-right sources. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #116
Sounds like you are ascribing ugly ulterior motives to--and making baseless claims about-- Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #34
Oh, do tell us more about how OTHERS are making baseless claims. Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #47
I ascribe nothing, but you read plenty though. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #48
I don't work for CNN or PBS as their corporate shill. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #57
Cut the crap you say? Others are lying, you say? Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #58
As you know, I made no such suggestion. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #63
You think what you are doing is subtle? Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #64
I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!! FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #65
LOL!!! Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #66
Two peas in a pod. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #68
What's that? Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #69
You two use the same tactics to smear a Democratic loyalist. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #70
Huh? What was that you said about not smearing a Democratic loyalist? Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #74
That's right. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #77
On DU or on CNN? iemanja Nov 2022 #72
Within the last few weeks I'm told that not only is CNN right-wing, but so are PBS, NPR, ABC, Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #103
if cnn does not want to be part of the solution, it is part of the problem. Prairie_Seagull Nov 2022 #5
One might argue that all MSM is infested with censorship, lies, omission, spin and willful ignorance Magoo48 Nov 2022 #6
Yes, not just CNN. I think the illustrious video media actually wants conflict JohnSJ Nov 2022 #9
Right. Just ask Tiffany Cross. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #27
Consider who advertises on CNN vlyons Nov 2022 #7
I'll watch Anderson Cooper Mz Pip Nov 2022 #8
No. n/t demmiblue Nov 2022 #11
I wouldn't know because I stopped watching them. nt Samrob Nov 2022 #12
I don't watch tv at all. Haven't for many years. SheltieLover Nov 2022 #15
Corporatocracy is here to stay. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2022 #13
I wouldn't shoot the messenger gulliver Nov 2022 #16
They are all guilty of wanting a horse race, tavernier Nov 2022 #17
No d_b Nov 2022 #18
Yes budkin Nov 2022 #19
CNN continues to live rent free in the heads of many Kaleva Nov 2022 #20
Yes stop watching it Fullduplexxx Nov 2022 #21
I don't watch it very much at all. Botany Nov 2022 #22
Horserace ratings, giddyup! Shanti Shanti Shanti Nov 2022 #30
yes. not your imagination Takket Nov 2022 #31
What you are saying here simply is NOT true. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #35
If the owner and GM didn't order the changes to favor the right, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #51
LOL. There is some bogus reasoning right there. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #53
Turn off the fascists propaganda. You have better things to do. Especially right now. onecaliberal Nov 2022 #33
I have been watching CNN from it's beginning. Now it has become completely unwatchable. The bothside debm55 Nov 2022 #36
I haven't watched CNN in years BlueIdaho Nov 2022 #107
These links seem to suggest it to me LostOne4Ever Nov 2022 #38
This link present "theories." Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #45
Even if so, how is that different from the "theory" you are constantly trying to shove down FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #46
Some here have reach their conclusions from observations . Theories are not proven debm55 Nov 2022 #89
+1 Celerity Nov 2022 #55
I think it's a matter of interpretation. egduj Nov 2022 #52
Let's See Ya Dance ... The performative Trumpism of new CNN boss Chris Licht. Celerity Nov 2022 #62
LOL. Having two people leave a network is now a "purge?" Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #67
Can you list the conservative commentators they similarly cut ties with? W_HAMILTON Nov 2022 #104
There is a dearth of conservatives at CNN. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #105
So the number of conservative commentators they cut ties with is zero? W_HAMILTON Nov 2022 #106
Statistically insignificant given the options at CNN, don't you agree? Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #108
No, I don't. W_HAMILTON Nov 2022 #110
What Republican management? iemanja Nov 2022 #75
Why billionaire John Malone's shadow looms over CNN Celerity Nov 2022 #78
That article says the goal iemanja Nov 2022 #79
non sequitur - I never claimed CNN is Fox News nt Celerity Nov 2022 #80
The OP did iemanja Nov 2022 #83
I think CNN is definitely turning to the right, but I do not think it is at Fox level atm. That is a Celerity Nov 2022 #84
I honestly don't think any cable news station is a good source of news iemanja Nov 2022 #86
I cast a wide, wide net to get my information. Cable news is just one part, certainly not the main. Celerity Nov 2022 #88
I did too, after it was falsely claimed that he is a Trumpist. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #93
CNN has a long way to go to be a "Fox News outlet". GoodRaisin Nov 2022 #71
The point about Latinos is founded iemanja Nov 2022 #73
I will not support that corporate news garbage RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2022 #81
Yes. (nt) Paladin Nov 2022 #82
CNN has turned to the dark side LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #87
Did you consider that 1 and 2 might just be factual? nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #111
NO ... nt Raine Nov 2022 #112
Yes and it sucks! Meowmee Nov 2022 #117

Celerity

(43,340 posts)
76. Just one piece of evidence: Why Republicans are gaining with less than a week to go (CNN)
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:08 PM
Nov 2022
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/republicans-advantage-midterms-analysis/index.html

(CNN)

The Democrats’ hope to maintain control of at least one chamber in Congress comes down to Republicans blowing it. For a time, that looked quite plausible because of the unpopularity of the GOP brand at large and Republican candidates in specific races. But as we’re now less than a week from Election Day, the momentum is clearly on the Republicans’ side and the possibility of a Republican rout has increased.

Why? We’re dealing with a deeply dissatisfied electorate, which almost always means the president’s party is punished by voters. Take a look at a Gallup poll released on Tuesday. Just 17% of Americans say they were satisfied with the direction the country was going. That’s the worst in any midterm since at least 1982, when Gallup first measured satisfaction in a midterm.

Importantly, this satisfaction with the direction of the country is highly correlated with midterm outcomes in the House. In the midterms when more Americans are dissatisfied than satisfied with the direction of the country, the party that held the White House has lost an average of 33 seats. That jumps to 46 seats in a president’s first midterm.

If we look at seat totals instead, the party holding the White House ends up with 186 seats on average when more Americans are dissatisfied than satisfied in a president’s first midterm. This would be an over 35 seat loss for Democrats in the 2022 midterms. Never has the President’s party ended up with more than 204 seats when more Americans were dissatisfied than satisfied.

snip
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
25. Absolutely.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:49 PM
Nov 2022

The "CNN is turning right-wing" is a viciously untrue conspiracy theory that originated with the ultra-right Free Beacon, then amplified by a reporter with the Daily Beast with a long history as the Executive Editor of the right-wing National Enquirer and multiple Murdoch owned rags.

Then it was pick up by the credulous far-left echo chamber.

But it is total bullcrap.

Just in the past week CNN had run a devastating series on right-wing extremism in America.

Don't believe everything you read.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
42. Don't you trust we are intelligent enough to see the changes for ourselves? You don't need a weathe
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:25 PM
Nov 2022

man to see which way the wind blows at CNN.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
44. I dunno. I use my own mind.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:32 PM
Nov 2022

And I've read countless posts from people who have basically said, "I don't watch, but that's what I've heard."

And I watched the conspiracy theory start.

It went viral on the "left" after it appeared in the Daily Beast (in an article from a reporter with long time right-wing ties) that used the Free Beacon (ultra-right) as his source.

I think people have fallen for a far-right conspiracy theory, including invented "quotes" (of things Chris Licht has never said).

Liberalism depends on an attachment to truth and reason, as far as I'm concerned.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
61. And so do I. I base my conclusion on what I have observed from watching CNN. Because of that I
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:32 PM
Nov 2022

Last edited Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)

watch less and less. I am 67 years old and have been a faithful watcher of CNN since Turner started it, I have been around long enough to see the shift. How is it truth and reason to always say both sides do it, when it is just not true? Thank you.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
85. That isn't what I asked you.I asked you if you think we are intelligent to watch and reach a
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:46 PM
Nov 2022

conclusion. By the way, theories are different then conclusions.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
90. I don't think the bogus conspiracy theory that CNN is "going fascist"
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:11 PM
Nov 2022

is based on people watching CNN.

It began with bogus claims made by an ultra-right source and got picked up w/o credulity.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
94. Have you watched CNN lately? In all your posts you scold people but you never say that you watched
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:30 PM
Nov 2022

or are still watching. Asking for a friend.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
95. To the contrary, I mentioned watching an excellent series that CNN has been running
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:38 PM
Nov 2022

on the threat of right-wing extremism.

I try not to watch too much cable news, but have watched more CNN lately just to be sure the conspiracy theory is false.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
96. Yes, you did mention that. But do you watch CNN daily to make any observations--like the anchors?
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:45 PM
Nov 2022

their guests? so you can come to your conclusion.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
26. It's obvious to anyone who reads the news,
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:55 PM
Nov 2022

and watches any of it live or clips on the internet.

They do still have liberals, and some good programming. But look at what they present all day long, and how.

At times one certainly wonders how many corporate media employees post here, and if that's part of their job. . . .

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
37. I hope you did.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:01 PM
Nov 2022

Try Googling CNN and the (ultra-right) Free Beacon to find out where this bogus conspiracy theory started.

It is sad when supposed liberals get hoodwinked by MAGAts.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
39. Do you watch CNN. I retired. Used to have it on all the time, especially during covid. As I said
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:12 PM
Nov 2022

down, the anchor are slyly slipping in the both sides do it. And sometimes not so slyly. What the daytime broadcast and the evening with Trapper. I swear Trapper must have a buzzer in his ear where he is told *say both sides are guilty of doing this. Because both sides are not guilty of doing it.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
40. Disd you watch the outstanding series they ran recently on right-wing extremism
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:16 PM
Nov 2022

in this country and its threat to American Democracy? It was outstanding.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
41. I watched the Ken Burns documentary. Is that what you are talking about. If not the answer is no.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:21 PM
Nov 2022

By the way that series was in production, It was more likely done before the change.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
43. No, the Ken Burns documentary ran on PBS.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:26 PM
Nov 2022

As an aside, I was also accused of being in the employment of PBS as a social media shill last week by the same guy that suggests I'm working for CNN today. LOL.

The Ken Burns doc was a great.

CNN did a series of hard-hitting episodes on current right-wing extremism and the threat to American democracy that it poses recently. It was very well done.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
50. So?
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

As has been pointed out to you, that documentary was already in production.

In any case, the occasional documentary or good liberal guest isn't the problem. It's the rest of what is happening at CNN, and corporate media in general.

That BS argument is like saying we should revere Liz Cheney because she hates MF45. Yeah, she's doing some good. But she's still Liz Cheney.

And CNN is still moving right and trying to shape public opinion in favor of the right. To all our detriment, because they are more subtle than the likes of NewsMax, therefore more influential to that group of Americans in "the middle".

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
60. LOL. You were. But I kept getting replies that didn't show up. And that made
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:32 PM
Nov 2022

me curious so I logged out and looked. And then I found this pack of DAMN LIES from you.

So you mad you got caught in that DAMN LIE, bro?

STILL waiting for all those links to all those times I called you a Republican.

DiamondShark

(787 posts)
97. CNN isn't moving "to the right."
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:10 PM
Nov 2022

You are correct in the first part. CNN took a hard right when the new CEO Chris Licht laid off multiple hosts.

Source Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Licht

After the abrupt resignation of CNN president Jeff Zucker in February 2022, Licht was named his successor on February 26, 2022.[19][20][21]

On his first day as chairman and CEO of CNN, Licht sent a memo to all employees saying, "Sadly too many people have lost trust in the news media. I think we can be a beacon in regaining that trust by being an organization that exemplifies the best characteristics in journalism: fearlessly speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo, questioning ‘group-think’ and educating viewers and readers with straightforward facts and insightful commentary, while always being respectful of differing viewpoints. First and foremost, we should, and we will be advocates for truth."[22] One such method involves limiting CNN's use of the term "breaking news" to stories that have a significant importance.[23] Licht has expressed a desire to change negative perceptions of CNN among Republicans.[24]

In late 2022, Licht received criticism as CNN terminated the contracts of several long-time correspondents including Brian Stelter, John Harwood and Jeffrey Toobin.[25] The Washington Post described the moves "as the latest evidence of a shift to a less politically charged tone under new leader Chris Licht."[25]


also see
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217067954
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217144657
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217084333
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
98. Listen to what Chris Licht said here:
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:15 PM
Nov 2022
I think we can be a beacon in regaining that trust by being an organization that exemplifies the best characteristics in journalism: fearlessly speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo, questioning ‘group-think’ and educating viewers and readers with straightforward facts and insightful commentary, while always being respectful of differing viewpoints. First and foremost, we should, and we will be advocates for truth.

It is hard to imagine more welcome words from an incoming president of a cable news network.

DiamondShark

(787 posts)
99. I was not able to find the link in your reply.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:22 PM
Nov 2022

I like to read things in context, that is why I posted the links to back me up.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
100. The point being, what Chris Licht said when he took over as president of CNN is precisely
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:27 PM
Nov 2022

what good liberal Democrats should hope to hear. At least as far as I'm concerned.

I want great journalism. CNN has needed improvement for a long time.

Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #100)

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
102. New York Post? I'm not sure what you are talking about, frankly.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:58 PM
Nov 2022

Chris Licht is calling for good and truthful journalism, those are good aspirations in my book.

Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #102)

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
116. Not going to link ultra-right sources.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:48 PM
Nov 2022

Free Beacon + CNN + Chris Licht should suffice.

Then check Lachlan Cartwright's article at Daily Beast that used this ultra-right publication as its source.

The conspiracy theory was launched there.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
34. Sounds like you are ascribing ugly ulterior motives to--and making baseless claims about--
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:38 PM
Nov 2022

members of this forum, explicitly in contravention against of the TOS here.

Bad show!

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
48. I ascribe nothing, but you read plenty though.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:05 PM
Nov 2022

Also, if it were someone's job to go to message boards and argue on behalf of their employer, why would that be an "ugly motive"?

As long as I didn't have to lie and try to convince people the opposite of what they are plainly seeing for themselves, I'd think that would be a good job.

Personally, I think lying in support of corporations, media influencers and polluters should be against the TOS.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
57. I don't work for CNN or PBS as their corporate shill.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:26 PM
Nov 2022

Your suggestions to the contrary are are patently false.

What is your purpose here? Can't be to engage in a friendly fashion with other Democrats.

Cut the crap.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
63. As you know, I made no such suggestion.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:35 PM
Nov 2022

Nor would I consider it "ugly" . I don't know who you think accused you of working for PBS or why that is brought up in a thread about CNN, but you should take that up with them.

I'd suggest a memory-refreshing review of your own posts first though.

Good day!

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
70. You two use the same tactics to smear a Democratic loyalist.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:54 PM
Nov 2022

That's a bad look on you.

And contrary to the TOS of this forum.

Not cool.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
103. Within the last few weeks I'm told that not only is CNN right-wing, but so are PBS, NPR, ABC,
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:00 PM
Nov 2022

and CBS.

I must have missed NBC. LOL

Prairie_Seagull

(3,318 posts)
5. if cnn does not want to be part of the solution, it is part of the problem.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:25 AM
Nov 2022

Just tell the truth FFS. Giving voice to deception is a third world stunt.

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
6. One might argue that all MSM is infested with censorship, lies, omission, spin and willful ignorance
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:26 AM
Nov 2022

Why would you expect anything else from corporate ownership?

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
7. Consider who advertises on CNN
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:28 AM
Nov 2022

Big corporations, that's who. And what do big corporations want? Lower/no taxes and fewer/no regulations. What does CNN want? More ad dollars from big corporations.

Mz Pip

(27,441 posts)
8. I'll watch Anderson Cooper
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:30 AM
Nov 2022

I really don’t have the time or inclination to have cable news on all day. It gets repetitive

If Im driving I’ll listen to Nicole Wallace.

It’s all just too anxiety provoking.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
16. I wouldn't shoot the messenger
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:04 PM
Nov 2022

I think we are losing quite a few African Americans (particularly men) and Latinos. Someone needs to ask them why we lost them so we can correct the error we made as soon as possible.

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
17. They are all guilty of wanting a horse race,
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:06 PM
Nov 2022

a political Super Bowl, a November World Series.
That’s what keeps tv sets going.

 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
18. No
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:17 PM
Nov 2022

They wouldn’t be as effective.

CNN is also a tool of the wealthy, but it serves a different function than Fox News.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
31. yes. not your imagination
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:03 PM
Nov 2022

CNN's new programming director very publicly a month or two ago announced they were going right and even met with members of the gop to promise them they would be going right. they are targeting the fox news demographic who are most of the people watching cable news.

don't get your info from there any more.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
35. What you are saying here simply is NOT true.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:42 PM
Nov 2022

Chris Licht said nothing of the sort. These are pure "inventions" that don't hold up to fact-checking, and have been de-bunked, but the conspiracy theory won't die.

We laugh (rightfully) at Trumpists when they fall into absurd conspiracy theorism.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
51. If the owner and GM didn't order the changes to favor the right,
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:15 PM
Nov 2022

why is the network making them? What other reason is there?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
53. LOL. There is some bogus reasoning right there.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:20 PM
Nov 2022

Why do you keep making false accusations about lifelong liberal Democrats such as myself, is a more germain question.

That behavior really sucks.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
36. I have been watching CNN from it's beginning. Now it has become completely unwatchable. The bothside
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:59 PM
Nov 2022

that the Hourly News Anchors are slyly and not so slyly putting in their broadcasts are getting to me. It's just not true about the both sides do it. I still like some of the on the on site reporters-Shamon. I do still watch Jim Acosta and Anderson.. I don't know if Lemon turned when he switched to anchor the morning show, but I will not get up to watch. Have also noticed more conservative and ultra conservative guest being brought on with no one questioning them for the lies they are saying.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
45. This link present "theories."
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:36 PM
Nov 2022

The first doesn't even pretend otherwise.

The second (if one reads it) says the "changes" at CNN are to get back to higher-standards of journalism, which is precisely what we could hope for at CNN.

Straight-forward truthful reporting helps Democrats.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
46. Even if so, how is that different from the "theory" you are constantly trying to shove down
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:01 PM
Nov 2022

our throats that because CNN aired an already-in-production documentary they are not moving to the right?

Stop telling us we can't believe what we see right in front of us.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
89. Some here have reach their conclusions from observations . Theories are not proven
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:02 PM
Nov 2022

Last edited Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:42 PM - Edit history (2)

I still watch Acosta and Anderson. Cnn is not totally Fox, but have shifted to the right form my observations.

egduj

(805 posts)
52. I think it's a matter of interpretation.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:15 PM
Nov 2022

If you like what they're reporting then no they're not. If what they report upsets you, then yes it is.

Celerity

(43,340 posts)
62. Let's See Ya Dance ... The performative Trumpism of new CNN boss Chris Licht.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:35 PM
Nov 2022
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/lets-see-ya-dance

In this week’s podcast, Kate Riga and I talked about the on-going talent purge at CNN. We’ve discussed this before. CNN is under new Republican management and the top shareholder has announced his intention to make the network less “liberal” and more “centrist.” There are both ideological and business drivers, which I discussed last week. But I want to dig into the mechanics, which seem to be getting short shrift in the media discussion. Two rungs down the ladder from the top corporate boss is CNN boss Chris Licht. The game plan may come from on high (i.e., Trump donor billionaire John Malone) but Licht is the implementer. So far Brian Stelter and John Harwood have been axed and the rumor mill is now fixated on Brianna Keilar, a CNN host deemed “too liberal” or too critical of Trump for the new “centrist” CNN.

If you read the insider sheets like I do they are chock full of palace intrigue and rumors about Keilar’s imminent demise. Last week she went on a multi-day obsession about the presence of Marines in the background for Joe Biden’s big “MAGA Republicans” speech. This was a 48-hour hullabaloo. People can reasonably disagree over whether it was the appropriate optics. But she simply would not let it go. To me it seemed like a rather transparent effort to curry favor with Licht and show she could adapt to the new regime. Dylan Byers’ new column in Puck suggests that this was the takeaway within CNN as well. The most striking thing about Licht’s firings to date is how they are choreographed for public consumption, particularly right-wing media consumption. They also seem designed to instill not only fear but uncertainty within CNN ranks which will lead on air talent to, for lack of a better word, discipline themselves without being told to directly.

Here’s what I mean. When an organization like CNN wants to fire someone there are many ways to do it. One is to go to the person, explain that the organization wants to move in another direction and find a way for the employee to leave, at least outwardly, on their own terms. If there’s a contract outstanding, that can be negotiated. My sense with both Stelter and Harwood is that they got what amounted to a call out of the blue that they were out, more or less without warning and out immediately. Stelter got the call a few days before what was to be the last episode of Reliable Sources after a 30 year run. The sign off and atmospherics with Harwood’s departure look similar. A call out of the blue: you’re out. In both cases the first public comments from the canned employee suggested as much. This very public choreography is designed to generate mass schadenfreude on the right: the bête noires Fox has been harping on for years suddenly marched to the top of the pyramid and hurled to the ground.

The abrupt and public approach is designed to be humiliating for the purpose of satiating the critics who long to see these folks hurt and who CNN wants to appeal to. It’s the whole “cry more” mentality. Public mockery of other people’s injury is a core leitmotif of Trumpism. Trumpism is dominance politics. To use Adam Serwer’s phrasing, the cruelty is the point. So the plan within CNN is not only to appeal to the Trump world but to do it, appropriately enough, in the language of Trumpism. Licht appears to be driving a similar effect within CNN. Reports suggest Licht has made very little effort to explain to anyone at CNN just what his plan is. He wants CNN to be more “centrist” but how he plans to do that or precisely what that means aren’t clear. The few comments he’s made within CNN seem to amount to, “you’ll find out soon enough” or “we’ll see.” This is clearly a deliberate strategy to keep everyone guessing, to draw their own conclusions from the bodies flying past the office windows.

It is again classic Trump: Keep people around you in a state of suspense and uncertainty because it gives you leverage over everyone. It’s a style of performative dominance. As we’ve discussed in other contexts, the Trump aim behind “media bias” bullying is never to create specific editorial adjustments. It’s to demonstrate power, get the targets of the ire to confirm with their own actions the substance of the charge. There’s isn’t any personnel shake up or revised editorial line that would lead Donald Trump to say, “Well they were totally fake news but they’re looking pretty solid now.” The point is to stomp and chortle at the kowtowing and demand more. But perhaps Licht is on to something in realizing that what he can never deliver in terminations or right-leaning editorial interference he can edge up to with the language of performative Trumpism.
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
67. LOL. Having two people leave a network is now a "purge?"
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:47 PM
Nov 2022

EVERY incoming president of a network makes changes.

That is in the job description. Network presidents get no credit for carrying over shows of their predecessors. And there has been no wide scale purge at CNN.

The conspiracy doesn't hold water. But it seemingly won't die here on DU.

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
110. No, I don't.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:09 PM
Nov 2022

I was surprised to see awhile back that Michael Smerconish still had a show with them -- they could cut him and his low ratings, yes?

Scott Jennings is also a very partisan pundit.

I would say both of those conservatives are far more partisan than either Harwood or Stelter were.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
75. What Republican management?
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:05 PM
Nov 2022

Who precisely? The CEO of Discovery is a Democrat. I looked up his campaign contributions.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
79. That article says the goal
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:32 PM
Nov 2022

Is to return CNN to straight reporting and away from liberal commentary. That is NOT Fox News.

Also, someone who serves on a board of a parent company and owns relatively little stock in that company does not constitute "management" of CNN.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
83. The OP did
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:37 PM
Nov 2022

And you posted a piece claiming CNN was under Republican management in support of the OP.
Whether it is a new Fox News is the point of the entire thread. It is hardly a non-sequitur.

Celerity

(43,340 posts)
84. I think CNN is definitely turning to the right, but I do not think it is at Fox level atm. That is a
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:44 PM
Nov 2022

perfectly rational and realistic stance, IMHO, but your mileage may vary.

I also have stopped watching it, for the most part, as I think they are a poor source of information, on balance. I also think it will get worse.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
86. I honestly don't think any cable news station is a good source of news
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:46 PM
Nov 2022

I prefer print news myself.

Celerity

(43,340 posts)
88. I cast a wide, wide net to get my information. Cable news is just one part, certainly not the main.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:51 PM
Nov 2022
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
93. I did too, after it was falsely claimed that he is a Trumpist.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 05:17 PM
Nov 2022

Truth hardly seems to matter once conspiracy theories take hold.

Has anyone suggested that *you* are a paid shill for CNN yet? LOL

The internet.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
73. The point about Latinos is founded
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:00 PM
Nov 2022

They have increasingly been gravitating to the GOP, though a majority still support Democrats. Republicans have done a lot of on the ground outreach to make that happen.
I suspect your summary of what they said about African Americans is greatly exaggerated, and the danger is less their supporting the GOP than in some not voting in this midterm.
From what I've seen, CNN isn't turning into Fox News, not even close. Does that mean you won't periodically see something you disagree with? No, and if people can't handle that, they shouldn't watch or read news period. All I hear these days is how every news outlet, from MSNBC to NPR, is MAGA. That says more to me about the poster than those outlets.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
117. Yes and it sucks!
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:48 PM
Nov 2022

I hardly watched anything unless someone in my house was watching and I happened to walk in the room of any news lately. I suppose I will watch some election results after I vote probably otherwise I just watch old TV shows or documentaries etc. I have a lot of work I have to do and I like to have the TV on in the background sometimes I turn the sound off too though lol.

I am sick of listening to most of these people who don’t know anything more about anything than I do myself and I can just read about it online.

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