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Aviation Pro

(12,205 posts)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:11 PM Nov 2022

How many fucking lifelines do the Bloated Tick's get? (Runoff)

Every fucking time there is always another hurdle, another goalpost moved, another appeal, another runoff.

Sen. Warnock garnered more votes than TBI Walker, there should be no runoff, which is just another chance to muddy the waters of democracy.

Fuck runoffs.

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WarGamer

(12,488 posts)
5. But Ossoff got fewer votes than Perdue and needed the runoff to win.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:16 PM
Nov 2022

IIRC, Warnock rec'd more votes than "Insider Trading Barbie"

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,103 posts)
3. Didn't pay attention in 2020 (or 2018)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:14 PM
Nov 2022

Georgia needs a majority. Warnock didn't get one. It's not pro-Trump goalpost moving just because you don't understand the procedure.

Aviation Pro

(12,205 posts)
9. I do understand the procedure
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:24 PM
Nov 2022

I think it's archaic and I lump it in with all the other advantages the minority party has built into the system.

Also, Dec. 6th just happens to coincide with the SEC title game, which given the diametrically opposed braincells of Bloated Tick cultists and their juxtaposition that Walker would be a good representative based on his Georgia football pedigree is no bueno.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,103 posts)
15. You said that the game was on Dec. 6 - it isn't
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 05:35 PM
Nov 2022

And apparently your being wrong makes me passive aggressive?

sarisataka

(18,824 posts)
6. Funny, I seem to recall
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:19 PM
Nov 2022

The possibility of a runoff mentioned here several times prior to the election. At times it was even considered a second chance as all we needed to do was keep Walker below 50%.

Not having the run off, which isn't new and (almost) everyone was well aware of, would be moving the goalposts.

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cksmithy

(231 posts)
8. I am not sure, But
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:24 PM
Nov 2022

I thought our founding fathers wanted a two party system, not a parliamentary system, like the UK. I am going back to my memory banks from high school government classes. So no third party or run offs, who gets the most votes wins. That was a government class taught in 1969, where the teacher discussed all current events as they related to government, assassinations of jfk, robert kennedy, martin luther king jr. and even malcolmx. According to my youngest daughter, 42 years of age, she never discussed or heard anything like we, her parents, were taught in high school.

SlimJimmy

(3,182 posts)
12. Perdue would have won outright in the special election if you had your way.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 04:52 PM
Nov 2022

He was somewhere around 50k votes over Ossoff, but under 50%. No runoff, repukes control the Senate. Be careful what you wish for.

Old Crank

(3,645 posts)
16. Look at LePage in Maine(?)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 05:37 PM
Nov 2022

No run off and became governor with 35ish % of the vote.
A run off would have probably won it for the Dems.

The Georgia law has been there for years.

maxrandb

(15,365 posts)
17. Runoffs, particularly in the South are a racist remnant of Jim Crow
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 05:50 PM
Nov 2022

Yes, the runoff benefited Democrats in 2020, but that's doesn't change its history. Especially since Georgia AGAIN passed changes after white folks lost both Senate seats in 2020. In 1963, the Supreme Court ruled Georgia's unit vote system unconstitutional. They adopted the current runoff system in response to that ruling, just like they changed their election law in response to losing those two Senate seats in 2020.

I'm sorry, but I am convinced that the reason Walker got less votes then Kemp is because there were voters that just couldn't vote for ANY black candidate, so they left the Senate choice on their ballot blank.

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Georgia adopted runoffs after a previous electoral system that favored white voters was overturned.

Beginning in 1917, Georgia used something called the county unit system in primary elections, which operated sort of like a state-level electoral college. Under this system, each of Georgia’s 159 counties was classified as urban, town or rural. In statewide primaries, like for governor, urban counties received six “unit votes,” town counties received four and rural counties received two. A candidate who won a plurality of votes in a county received all of that county’s “unit votes.” Since Georgia’s minority communities were concentrated in urban counties, and white voters were spread throughout rural counties, this system allowed rural counties to prevail against their urban counterparts, thereby giving outsize electoral power to white voters in the Peach State.

In 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the county unit system was unconstitutional for violating the “one person, one vote” principle articulated the prior year in Baker v. Carr. In response, Georgia legislators set about devising new ways to maintain white political power. State representative Denmark Groover (D) advocated adopting runoffs for all Georgia elections as a replacement for the county unit system, stating on the Georgia House floor that “we have got to go to the majority vote because all we have to have is a plurality and the Negroes and the pressure groups and special interests are going to manipulate this State and take charge if we don’t go for the majority vote.” His proposal was adopted as part of the state’s election reform package passed in 1964.

In the 1990s, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) filed a lawsuit against Georgia’s primary runoff system, arguing the system violated the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (VRA) by diluting the voting strength of Black Georgians. The DOJ identified 35 Georgia elections where Black candidates received a plurality of votes in the first round of a primary but lost their runoffs when white voters coalesced around their opponent. The DOJ’s lawsuit was eventually consolidated with Brooks v. Miller, a challenge brought by a group of Black voters. In 1998, although the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals concluded the runoff system didn’t violate the VRA, it nevertheless agreed that “the virus of race-consciousness was in the air” when it was adopted.

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