Republican suggestion for voting age change ...

[marble falls]

Apparently Republicans now want to raise the age of voting to 21 because 18-21yos voted in droves in the Midterms. This is the same Republican Party that believes that an 18yo is mature enough to purchase an AR15 and a 10yo is old enough to be a mom.

Take all the time you need with that.

[dlk]

1. Republicans excel at devising new ways of cheating to win

They’re entitled…

[czarjak]

25. Cheating isn't winning, it's cheating. And then they want to brag about it.

[dlk]

49. Yes, though they don't brag about cheating

They brag about winning and it’s a tainted win, without a doubt

[SheltieLover]

2. Lie, cheat, steal, project, rinse, repeat.

It's all they've got.

We need voting rights passed yesterday!!!

[ananda]

9. No joke!

Voting rights have gone down the toilet in way
too many states.

We need them desperately now.

[we can do it]

3. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[vercetti2021]

4. I agree

Lets make it 16! If a 16 year old can drive a car, they should be able to vote.

[Traildogbob]

22. Let Fetuses vote

Fetuses are people too. More so than money. Some say.

[Probatim]

29. They'd probably go one further and let sperm vote -

which seems likely given their desire to ensure men rule everything.

I'm sure they'll come up with an algorithm based on age, race, and health to determine how many votes my sperm count for.

[RobinA]

69. Halfish Of All Sperm

are girls.

[Probatim]

70. We all know that when it comes to fetuses (fetii?) and sperms,

possession is critical.

If the woman is pregnant with twins - she gets as three votes, but she needs a recent sonogram as proof.

The man gets as many votes as the algorithm states. Even if it's eleventy billion.

In mansplaining this, I feel like I'm giving republicans too many ideas.

[erronis]

80. Makes me think of that old one involving inspecting sperm(s?) and throwing away the ones

that won't grow up to be engineers. Except these types of people would substitute trump-humpers for engineers.

[Demanchor]

34. I think you mean "more so than

Mommy”. But money works too.

[calimary]

53. Dayum! Both of you!

Demanchor and Probatim!

LOVE LOVE LOVE both of your posts!

[The Grand Illuminist]

91. They would raise that age next.

[C_U_L8R]

5. They can't win the vote, so they want to ban voting

Don't tell these clowns but they'd be better off actually building winning policies.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Unlikely they will get enough votes to repeal the 26th Amendment of

the Federal Constitution.

Also, to get the 26th Amendment passed, the argument wasn't AR15's in civilian hands. It was if you were old enough to be drafted to fight in the Vietnam War, then you were old enough to vote.

[TeamProg]

98. Yeah, I'm not worried about it but I DO like that idiot GOP'sters will be even LESS popular if they

try.

[Diraven]

101. If they ever get control of enough state legislatures

They would do this in a heartbeat. Along with a whole bunch of other awful stuff.

[Cosmocat]

113. YEP

nm

[Polybius]

103. I'm shocked that it passed in the first place

Did Republicans really think that the 18-21 year old vote would help them?

[DinahMoeHum]

7. Tell that to the 18-20 yr olds in uniform, GQP. . .

. . .and see what you get. #FAFO



AIN'T. GONNA. HAPPEN.

[The Grand Illuminist]

12. If they raise the selective service age to 21...

This would be a better shot.

[jonstl08]

13. yep

Beat me to it.

[Aristus]

35. I joined the Army at age seventeen, several months before I was legally allowed to vote.

And nearly four years before I could buy alcohol.

Don't get me started on ironies.

[nightwing1240]

61. Drafted back then but

Couldn't vote or purchase alcohol. That always puzzled me

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

104. If an 18-year-old can be drafted and be sent to die in Vietnam

he should be enabled to vote for the men who sent him there. (Women weren't drafted then, nor did they serve in combat positions.)

This argument eventually won the day. It wasn't easy to do. "Men who have served in war should not participate in making military decisions in Congress," was I heard one Repug congressman say.

The GQP wants one thing -- absolute power. They will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. Such is the way fascism takes over. They should be called PROTIFA.

[Happyhippychick]

8. Why don't they just limit voting to white men over 70?

[marble falls]

10. It's called the Republican House and Senate caucuses and former 45's cabinet.

[raging moderate]

16. Some Republicans think women should not vote.

Too "emotional."

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Republican women think that too

I am a woman who believes women should not vote. Good Lord! I love my
female friends, but politically they are morons! Strong opinions and
total ignorance. Don't know history, don't know geography, don't
understand finance, believe everything they see on TV...
I think only land owners should be able to vote. Of course, I'm a
woman with a nice bit of land
28 posted on 2022-09-22, by FalloutShelterGirl

[keithbvadu2]

33. to FalloutShelterGirl

Keep your silly, emotional opinions to yourself until you submit them to the Republican Christian Old White Male Committee of the Patriarchy for approval.

Most of your female babbling here would be approved.

And give your land to your husband/brother/male relative as God intended..

of course

[Rebl2]

36. You say good

Lord. This brings to mind, there are republican women who don’t believe women should have any roll in the church when major decisions are made, and of course there should absolutely be no women as ministers. I know in my parents church, if women weren’t involved, they would have been up a creek. It was a small and older population, and there weren’t enough men to keep the church going without women taking some of those positions.

[onetexan]

39. OMG disgusting neanderthals!

[barbtries]

58. written by a total moron. nt

[2live is 2fly]

99. OK FalloutShelterGirl why do you attract so many morons? Women haven't monopolized being a moron.

[Rebl2]

30. Are you

kidding me! I have seen many a magat male screaming ridiculous things on line. And they are saying women ARE emotional!!!

[A HERETIC I AM]

27. That own property.

After all, that’s what the founders intended!

[COL Mustard]

110. Don't give Sammy any ideas!!!

He’ll be changing that there law in a heartbeat!!!

[jonstl08]

11. typical

How come this does not surprise me. 18 yr olds can go and fight for this country but lets not let them vote.

Typical GOP crybabies

[brooklynite]

14. "Apparently"...

No citation.

No specific Republicans mentioned.

Not worth discussing.

[spooky3]

60. Here's one:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pittsburgh/news/proposed-constitutional-amendment-may-raise-pennsylvania-voting-21-years-old/

[Lovie777]

15. But not mature enough to vote .....

[wryter2000]

17. We know now that's not going to happen

I’m old enough to remember why it got changed. Lots of people too young to vote were dying in Vietnam.

[Samrob]

18. Yeah, like 18 year-olds never reach 21. nt

[Seinan Sensei]

19. "If you're old enough to fight, you're old enough to vote"

I heard this a thousand times, when I was growing-up with Vietnam body-counts daily on evening-news.
And it's a-thousand-times true.

[bdamomma]

65. yup,

I remember hearing that numerous times.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Old enough to die for the country is old enough to vote for the country. 18. . . . nt

[getagrip_already]

24. can't a 17 yo enlist with parents approval?

So 17.

But in reality, their goal is only white men voting. They will find a way.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. I'd suggest not 17, but all enlisted personnel should have a vote, even if only 17 (per approval).nt

[The Grand Illuminist]

26. It comes down to Selective Service.

They will use a Pew research study which finds the average age of enlistees post Vietnam is 27 and attempt to raise selective service age to 21. Once that is done, the old saying of "Old enough to go to war/die for country, old enough to vote" will be totally and completely moot.



https://work.chron.com/average-age-soldiers-join-military-25737.html

[Bernardo de La Paz]

47. Interesting statistic. Thanks! Plus you make a good point

But, and this may be a quibble, I was expecting age at enlistment because you wrote "enlistee" instead of something like "enlisted". I think they are technically and practically the same and it was just me reading a bit too much into it. 27 yo at time of enlistment would be very surprising, but as an average age of currently serving members (phrase too big), it seems about right.

[The Grand Illuminist]

95. Enlistee usually means

The recruit has all the necessary paperwork and physical done before going to start BT.

[getagrip_already]

48. the two shouldn't be linked.....

18 is the traditional age of adulthood under many aspects of the law, and that should be the only consideration. Military service was a convenient foil in the past, but was never really a solid argument.

An 18 year old can be anything a 21 year old can be. In fact, many hold jobs side by side with them.

To say they aren't mature enough to vote is an insult. Yes, we do restrict drinking (which is wrong) and some gun ownership (which is right), but we shouldn't take a major civil right away because it favors one party.

If the gop wants to change that, appeal to younger voters.

[The Grand Illuminist]

81. 18 as recognized adults is a dying breed.

Also add gambling and tobacco and e vape purchase and possession. Little things that was once legal at 18 which is now bumped to 21 adds up. In 10 years, we would more likely see the rise of states raising the drivers license age from 16 to 21.

When there are propositions of age raising, no matter how good or bad, be concerning. As the saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[getagrip_already]

84. I doubt that will EVER happen. Anywhere.

Driving at 17/18 is a real help t families who's parents are run ragged by having to drive their kids everywhere. You will really piss off families, as well as businesses who rely on mobile young adults to be able to get to work.

You would be stranding a generation who wouldn't be able to work until they turn 21, and in reality, 22 since it takes time to get licensed. And they would have to live at home during that time since they couldn't work. Public transportation doesn't work except in select few locales.

That is never going to happen because of grass roots opposition from adults and businesses.

Sorry.

[The Grand Illuminist]

94. Way back when...

Nobody thought that they would raise the drinking age, yet they did. Same for tobacco. The overall is that if there is legislation that deals with raising the age either for good or bad, I would be concerned. Because it will be weaponized for the right.

[SouthBayDem]

21. You're not kidding

https://www.indy100.com/amp/brigitte-gabriel-midterm-elections-gen-z-2658623938

[Rebl2]

28. If that happens,

nobody under 21 should be allowed to join the military.

[vlyons]

31. Which republicans are floating tghis balloon?

I need to know where to aim my ridicule.

[onenote]

38. Don't hold your breath.

[Orrex]

32. Well, they also think it's great for a 10 year old girl to carry a pregnancy to term, so...

[onenote]

37. Is there a link to anyone actually saying they want to raise the voting age to 21?

Or is this an attempt at humor? Sarcasm?

[cab67]

40. was about to ask the same thing.

I did a quick search through the news and couldn't find anything.

[WestMichRad]

52. It's apparently real

https://www.indy100.com/news/brigitte-gabriel-midterm-elections-gen-z

Author argues the brains of 18-20 yr olds aren’t fully developed, so they shouldn’t get to vote. (This is NOT from the Onion.)

Thanks to Bernardo (see comment 21) for the link.

[onenote]

73. Not exactly evidence of any support for this idea among elected repubs.

[multigraincracker]

41. I was talking to a winger down the street a few years ago.

He thought an intelligence test would be nice for those that vote, as too many people are not smart enough. He got mad when I said I agree, only no test, just a 4 year degree. He still doesn't speak to me.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

112. I say be able to pass a basic civics test.

It could be given at the time of voter registration. Nothing crazy, just some basic questions about our government and how it works.

I would like it to be a prerequisite for serving in Congress, in the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch. It would be interesting to see how many of these numbnut conservatives end up failing it.

[sop]

114. I could devise a somewhat left-leaning poll test:

For example: "What are the titles of the last three Tyler Perry movies?" or "What's the difference between Mariachi and Ranchera music?"

[Upthevibe]

42. IDIOTS!!!!!

[dflprincess]

43. It would take a Constitutional Amendment

I would hope they wouldn't get 3/4 of the states to go along with it.

But here they are taking about taking another right away.

[ancianita]

89. Yeah, it won't happen. Youth are becoming the majority of voters &won't replace the 26th Amendment.

The Twenty-sixth Amendment (Amendment XXVI) to the United States Constitution prohibits the states and the federal government from using age as a reason for denying the right to vote to citizens of the United States who are at least eighteen years old.

It was proposed by Congress on March 23, 1971, and three-fourths of the states ratified it by July 1, 1971.

3/4 state ratification took less than four months. No way a counter amendment proposal would be ratified, nevermind in a few months.

Talking about taking another right away is the perfect way to get even more of the youth vote out.

[Ligyron]

96. If it wasn't already in effect, it's doubtful the 26th Amendment would pass nowadays.

Or the 19th for that matter.

Or the 13th and 14th come to think of it...

[ancianita]

100. It's true. The darkness of fascism has grown strong through different systems.

That said, there is still Nevada.

[The Grand Illuminist]

105. If that is the case.....

Then we will see more states joining the constitution convention bandwagon.

[Prairie_Seagull]

45. I believe we are still dealing with the lingering effects of one saying,

"if you are not willing to cheat to win, you don't want it bad enough" This saying/thought is a continuing rot on our collective morality. Some much more than others.

I don't know the origins of this, sounds like some card players I have know, but clearly used in more than just cards.

[Thunderbeast]

46. Maybe they'll want to make baptismal records the only legal voter ID

and require a man to co-sign to approve a woman's voted ballot.

[halfulglas]

50. When I had a part-time job while in high school

A man I worked with believed girls shouldn't be required to go to high school. They already learned everything they needed to know to keep house and raise kids and college was a waste.

[iluvtennis]

51. US classifies 18 year olds as adults, and adults have the right to vote. What am I missing?

[kwolf68]

54. Dem Demographic

Black folks vote Dem: Disenfranchise them, purge the rolls, create obscenely long lines
Young people vote Dem: Raise the voting age

Republicans loathe Democracy. Democracy gets in their way for total power and control.

Of course, if Republicans want to keep beating this drum by all means do it, you think 2022 was bad for the New Reich concerning their appeal to younger people. Tell them you want to strip away their right to vote, 2022 will be a walk in the fucking park.

[onetexan]

55. K&R!!

[iluvtennis]

59. x2

[bdamomma]

66. K&R

nt

[ColinC]

56. They can't even decisively win back congress and are already proposing

A constitutional amendment that requires a 2/3rds majority? Calling them delusional would be kind.

[Submariner]

57. An 18 year old being sent into war based on a WMD LIE

has every right in the world to vote against the draft dodging asshole that sent him/her there!

[lpbk2713]

62. And must have an annual income of no less than $500,000.

As long as they're going to change it, might as well ask for something they really want.

[bdamomma]

63. that is voter suppression

Those young voters are not going to stand for it. Nope.

[3825-87867]

64. And a 14 year old rape/incest victim

will be required to give birth, take care of the child but can't vote!
Yeah, right!
Big can o' worms or pile of...

[bdamomma]

67. like going back to the

1680's????

[milestogo]

68. Smells like desperation.

[Initech]

71. They do know there is a constitutional amendment preventing that, right?

These fucks are desperate for power aren't they? Their hateful ideas have failed them.

[TomSlick]

92. Exactly.

It would take a constitutional amendment to change it.

[republianmushroom]

72. I like it

[twodogsbarking]

74. Old enough to join the military old enough to vote.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

75. The age was lowered during the Vietnam war.

The argument was (and still is) that if you are old enough at 18 to be drafted and to die for your country you should be able to vote on who wants to send you to do it.

[FlyingPiggy]

76. Damn them and their brazen hypocrisy and ruthless torturing of basic human decency

[onecaliberal]

77. Fuck them, that is a hard no. They can get a fucking gun to kill someone but can't vote.

These people have cancerous shit for brains.

[SpankMe]

78. If true, wouldn't it take an amendment to the constitution?

US Constitution, Amendment 26, Section 1:

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Doesn't this trump (sorry for the use of that word) any laws that attempt to raise the voting age at the state level?

[Rhiannon12866]

79. +100

[Sucha NastyWoman]

82. Hope this is National Republicans,

Texas Republicans probably have the power to see this done, despite the obvious hypocrisy.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

83. Hope this is National Republicans,

Texas Republicans probably have the power to see this done, despite the obvious hypocrisy.

[Genki Hikari]

108. Even those bozos can't do it

Voting for 18 year olds is in the Constitution itself--26th Amendment.

They don't have the votes to overturn it. They don't have the necessary number of state legislatures to do it, either.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

120. Oh, I should have known that

Thanks👏

[Grins]

85. That didn't take long!

In 2020 they at least waited until the ransacking of the Capitol before changing election laws in GOP states that swung to Biden - Hell - even those that didn’t!

[Dravot]

86. How about an UPPER age limit for voting?

Disenfranchise the AARPs. Propose that and watch the heads assplode.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

115. I read Brigitte Gabriel's article about raising the voting age.

What a snowflake- if you want younger peoples' vote, then start supporting policies which are important to them. Listen to what they have to say instead of sneeringly act like they are not smart enough to vote or are unimportant.

Bernie Sanders is over 80 years old and yet he enjoys great popularity among younger voters. Bernie gets it.

Gabriel claims the minds of 18 year olds "are not fully developed". I'll bet this asswipe supports 18 year olds being able to purchase automatic weapons, though (as long as they do not practice the Islamic faith). And it is also OK to send them to fight and die in bullshit wars like in Iraq. Yet how many voters in their 60s, and older are truly of sound mind? Funny how the Repukes don't say anything about the older end of the spectrum.

And if anyone feels I am being mean or unfair to older folks, I am of Social Security age myself. And I will be the first to say that there is a large group of them who are gullible, uninformed and possessing no intellectual curiosity.

[Quanto Magnus]

87. LOL

Last night, I was musing about the election and thought.... Ok when a GQP going to try to raise the voting age?

and no the second part of your post is no laughing matter... just laughing at the timing of my musing....

[generalbetrayus]

88. Next, the Republicans will propose that Black votes will only count

3/5 of White votes. ( hopefully)

[Tree Lady]

90. I wish they would try

Tell kids they can't do something and that's the first thing they do.

[spanone]

93. Their goal is to thwart people from voting who didn't vote for them.

THAT'S VOTER SUPPRESSION.

[roamer65]

97. Not happening.

They don’t have enough states to repeal the 26th amendment.

[W T F]

102. Old enough to pay taxes, but no representation?

[cstanleytech]

106. Just as soon as they make it so the death penalty cannot be applied to anyone below the age of 21 as

well as no one under the age of 21 may serve in the military no matter what.

[onetexan]

107. such BS desperation from damn Regressives! If you're old enough to be drafted for military service,

you're old enough to exercise your constitutional right to vote.

Think about this: limit to buy guns is 18, but age limit to vote is 21. GOPs are sick antidemocratic, totalitarian thugs! Sensible ppl who still call themselves Republicans need to leave their party en masse!

[chriscan64]

109. Let's do what they didn't do and think this through.

For the sake of argument let's say this happens. What happens next is that the earth goes around the sun a few times and lo and behold the 18 year olds are 21. Then they vote for the party they were going to vote for when they were 18. What do the republicans do then? We all know that the answer is not that they will modify their positions to appeal to those voters.

Progress may feel too slow, but it is inexorable. Younger generations are less bigoted, racist and less convinced that reducing rich people's taxes is good for everyone. The fact that they brought this up tells me that they fear the future.

[augyboston]

111. Anyone surprised by that?!?

I'm not surprised because the only way the GOP wins now is to prevent people from voting.

The bottom line is many MAGATS would like to eliminate voting altogether! January 6th was proof of that.

[USALiberal]

116. Link? Source??

[marble falls]

119. Whenever someone makes a claim I always search for a source. Writing a good seach phrase ...

... helps to impeach a questionable claim. Try it!

Some Republicans Want to Raise Voting Age After Gen Z Midterm Turnout

https://www.thedailybeast.com/some-republicans-want-to-raise-voting-age-after-gen-zs-strong-midterm-turnout

https://www.thedailybeast.com › some-republicans-want-to-raise-voting-age-after-gen-zs-strong-midterm-turnout
Some Republicans Want to Raise Voting Age to Thwart Gen Z
1 day ago"Raise the voting age to 21," Gabriel tweeted, immediately after noting that "We were promised a red wave and we got a red puddle." She went on to tweet that "Generation Z thinks doing...

https://thefederalist.com › 2018 › 02 › 27 › time-raise-voting-age-back-21
Why It's Time To Raise The Voting Age Back To 21 - The Federalist
The 14th Amendment, in seeking to protect the right to vote, guaranteed it explicitly for citizens 21 and older, though some states and localities chose to set a lower age. It was not until the...

https://www.cbsnews.com › pittsburgh › news › proposed-constitutional-amendment-may-raise-pennsylvania-voting-21-years-old
Proposed constitutional amendment may inadvertently raise Pennsylvania ...
Sep 27, 2022September 27, 2022 / 7:19 PM / CBS Pittsburgh PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — One of the five proposed state constitutional amendments approved by Republican lawmakers in Harrisburg would appear to raise...

https://buckscountybeacon.com › 2022 › 07 › increase-the-voting-age-to-21-pa-gop-wants-to-eradicate-youth-vote
Increase the Voting Age to 21? PA GOP Wants to Eradicate Youth Vote
Jul 29, 2022Passed by Congress in 1971, the 26 th Amendment was ratified by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania that same year. Believe it or not, the Pennsylvania Constitution never caught up; Article VII, Section 1 still says the voting age is 21, but that age qualifier is rendered moot by federal law.

https://meaww.com › brigette-gabriel-wants-to-raise-the-voting-age-to-21-election-day-sparks-debate-on-26th-amendment
Brigette Gabriel wants to 'raise the voting age to 21' after election ...
1 day agoThe voting age, which was initially 21 in the country eventually reduced to 18 during World War II after the slogan "Old enough to fight, old enough to vote" was born. This was mainly because the minimum age to join the army was 18. However, they were not allowed to vote unless they are 21, reported, nationalww2museum ADVERTISEMENT ALSO READ

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They've been thinking about this for a while.

[The Jungle 1]

117. A sore loser is still a loser.

The right is screaming that our youth are brainwashed. Or it could be that our education system is way better than we thought.
The learned skill of cognitive thinking.
Thinking, also known as 'cognition', refers to the ability to process information, hold attention, store and retrieve memories and select appropriate responses and actions. The ability to understand other people, and express oneself to others can also be categorized under thinking.

Smile at a teacher today and thank a youth for voting.

[spanone]

118. same party that has spent decades minimizing the black vote