Gen Z and young millennials under 30 canceled out every voter over age 65 across US

[kpete]

🚨More simple math

High turnout
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Voting 63% Democrat to 35% Republican
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#GenZ and young #millennials under 30 canceled out every voter over age 65 across US

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[Walleye]

1. I'm really grateful young people came out to vote, but this is not a generational struggle

There are plenty of liberal old people, and we do remember what it was like to be young. I think the stoking of generational conflict is phony at this point

[spooky3]

3. Agree. And the arithmetic on this example is misleading.

Someone should report the total numbers of Dem voters by age, for example.

We also should wait for the Pew analysis of verified votes. These results sometimes differ.

[muriel_volestrangler]

80. This does use the total numbers of Dem voters by age

Each age group is expressed as a percentage of the total number of voters, and we have the margin in each, so, assuming a negligible number of independent voters (or unopposed seats, or runoff seats where the top 2 candidates were already from the same party - it would be good to know how some California seats like that are handled in this), we know the total numbers.

18-29: 12% of all votes, Dems lead by 28%, so split 64:36 = 11.28% Dem, 4.32% Rep
30-44: 21%, D lead 4% = 52:48 = 10.92%, 10.08%
45-64: 39%, D lead -10% = 45:55 = 17.55%, 21.45%
65+: 28%, D lead -12% = 44:56 = 12.32%, 15.68%

I don't see what's "misleading".

(ah - I found the results - https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0 - in all cases, the Dem+Rep voting figures add up to 98%, with 1% less on each side than my calculation above. So it's much the same.

[spooky3]

94. Here's what's wrong with it:

To keep it simple, let’s use 20000 as the total sample number of voters about whom we have demographic info and let’s assume 2 % of all demographic groups voted 3rd party.

If over 65s are 28% of the sample, and the Republican advantage was 12 percentage points over Dems, then 3080 voted Republican (55%) and 2408 voted Democratic (43%). (The remaining 113 are 3rd party (2%)).

If 18-29s are 12% of the sample, then there are only 2400 total voters in the subsample. Even without subtracting the 2% 3rd party, if EVERY ONE OF THEM voted D, that is the SAME number of over 65s who voted D, and far short of the number needed to cancel the over 65 R voters. But let’s do the calculation. if 63 % of the 18-29s voted D, and 35 % voted R (the 28 percentage point gap in the OP’s table) that would be 1512 D votes and 840 R votes. These can’t offset the over 65 numbers.

Therefore, Dems needed Dem votes from BOTH groups (and others) to have a chance to win. The key is that the over 65s voting group is still much larger than is the 18-29 group, partly due to population cohort size, and partly due to higher turnout among older voters.

The remainder of the sample is 60%, which I’m excluding, but you could do the same calculations for them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

101. Here's how your figures show the exact offset:

over 65: 3080 Rep - 2408 Dem = 672 Rep advantage
18-29: 1512 Dem - 840 Rep = 672 Dem advantage

"Therefore, Dems needed Dem votes from BOTH groups" - well, yes, it would be pretty unusual to have any success if you got not a single vote from a significant age group.

[spooky3]

104. That's one way of looking at it. Another is that

There were ~ 900 more Dem voters in the over 65 group than in the youngest group.

The OP is very unclear and misleading. “Canceled out every voter?” No. The Repub advantage from one group was offset by the Dem advantage in another group.

That’s why many people are objecting to the implication that the over 65s don’t count or that in essence they are a Republican voting bloc. This stereotyping isn’t true.

Dems need to try to turnout more of the 18-29 group and fight voter suppression even more.

[muriel_volestrangler]

107. I don't think "one way of looking at it" is "misleading"

In a vote, you look at the totals for both (or all) groups, not just one, so it's quite reasonable to compare the winning margins.

[frogmarch]

130. Thanks for this, spooky3!

[GenXer47]

6. a lot of people drift conservative

when they get older, for a variety of reasons.

[Walleye]

8. I don't think that's a very hard and fast rule

[ck4829]

19. Reason #1 being the good die young

Trust fund babies and Scrooges don't get exposed to backbreaking work, environmental toxins, extreme stress, and don't have to choose between rent and groceries.

[phoenix_rising]

21. Serious question

I have heard that a lot of people drift conservative when they get older, but have always wondered why. Would love to hear some intelligent thoughts on the subject.

[Wounded Bear]

31. The premise is based on increasing wealth...

as in, the older you get the more wealth you have to 'protect' so you become more conservative.

It's probably true to a certain extent, but I don't consider it definitive. I don't think my values are much more conservative than they were when I was in my 20's. But then, I managed to escape the 'increasing wealth' part of the equation and I depend on my SS to survive.

[phoenix_rising]

37. Interesting

Thanks so much for explaining that to me. There are so many Republicans that have accumulated no wealth, though, yet still cling to the party. Is it because they are uneducated and don’t realize that their chosen party is shooting them in the foot?

[Wounded Bear]

48. "Americans don't think they are poor, most think they are temporarily distressed millionaires."

Not sure who said that, and it's not exactly what was said, but I've found it to be true.

[alterfurz]

69. "Socialism never took root in America because...

...the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -- John Steinbeck (misquoted/apocryphal)

https://hellyesjohnsteinbeck.tumblr.com/post/23486952183/commonly-misquoted-socialism-never-took-root-in

[Wounded Bear]

98. That's the one...nt

[calimary]

84. I can only speculate, but it seems to me that those who aren't rich who vote Republican

may somehow believe that doing so means they, too, will be rich someday. Even though it doesn’t, and won’t, work out that way.

Btw - nobody “cancelled out” this little old lady’s vote. I voted for the Democrats. Like I always do!

[electric_blue68]

108. Oh, man, if I had wealth... I'd be happy to share more to individuals, good organizations, places...

extreme storms, man-made disasters, etc.


I certainly gave modestly to various organizations during each year I was middle middle class. And individuals in the street etc
After I became poorish I still gave to individuals here and there. Made sure I donated to like 911 stuff for responders (I'm a NYC'r), after Katrina where a restaurant with Louiana ties was a local collection point. Stuff like that. 👍

[burrowowl]

71. Like hell!

I’ve been progressive since age 10, I’m 76 now. Go Bernie!

[Mr.Bill]

78. Among eldery republicans I know,

They all say "My 401K was doing great when Trump was president", which is interesting since the stock market is higher now than it was when Trump was in office.

[delisen]

13. Yes the pitting of young vs old not helpful & misleading

Plus using exit poll data also misleading

[Walleye]

14. Thanks. I thought I was missing something here

[Sympthsical]

15. It's important to highlight it, because younger people are constantly shat on

Like, continuously in this space.

Meanwhile, the "Ok, Boomer" memes when they first came out were a societal crisis that needed immediate addressing. Just very

Maybe the lawn chorus will pipe down a bit now.

[Walleye]

17. I think we are finding out that conventional wisdom is not all that wise

[Sympthsical]

20. I'm still processing the media from this election

Because we had the polls, and the data did not indicate a Red Wave. They indicated more or less the results we got.

So it's not like everyone was working from bad information. I looked at the same numbers and came away with a 218-225 R House and 50-51 D Senate prediction a week before Election Day. And here we are.

I'm increasingly of the mind that people who are paid to talk for a living are not very good at reading. And that crosses every media boundary. Cable, Twitter, newspaper pundits. Why are they being paid? They're increasingly proving they're not really any brighter than what people can divine for themselves with slight effort.

[Walleye]

22. You hit the nail on the head right there. I agree

I often think, “Jeeze how much does this guy get paid for saying that” And I find myself wishing that somebody would say something I haven’t heard before. And I know I could’ve given a better analysis

[Sympthsical]

32. There was a journalist on CNN the other day

She was discussing Kari Lake. Ruby Cramer. It's a 4 minute clip, but listen to how she answers, how she's nuanced, how she's clearly thought through the topic she's discussing.

It's like, why can't we have that all the time? She stood out because it was so unusual to hear someone like her in the noise.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/11/10/arizona-governor-race-kari-lake-katie-hobbs-ruby-cramer-midterm-election-cnntm-vpx.cnn

[electric_blue68]

27. The "OK, Boomer" was damn annoying to me as an always very liberal to progressive now 69 yr old...

I do my best to keep learning, and listening to vunerable groups that I'm not a part of. Often supporting them. Including young people.

Anway for the most part my friends are liberal, and have never drifted rightward as we've aged. I have younger friends (and family friends) 40s - ?55 but not young friends.
But I might in the furure again depending on what new groups of familiar interests I went end up in on line, and in person.
.
I'm sure I've already chatted with young people in my newer shared interests groups.

If long enough on line (talking 4 -10+ yrs) some can become real and good friends. 👍

[Sympthsical]

34. But isn't that the point?

I'm a Millennial and hear shit from older generations nonstop. The ire is shifting towards Gen Z now. "Youth never vote, we shouldn't go out of our way on their issues, blah blah, etc." (I'm not youth, damnit. I'm freakin middle aged now).

Hey. I always vote. A lot of my friends always vote.

So when "Ok, Boomer" came out and people started getting mad and saying it was unfair, my only response was, "Oh. Don't like being generalized based on your generation. Weird, right?"

It felt like self-awareness was just. about. this. close. But, alas. Many people never quite made it. They just got mad and kept going.

It's very whatever. People are people no matter their identity.

But it was deeply funny at the time. Just that, "How dare you?!" of it all after all the relentless generational bashing of Millennials and Z. Your lawn - we steppin on it.

I try not to get roped into generational things (and often fail). But when the student loan debate started and it was stories of "I worked through college! Booootstraps!" Hey, grandpa? College was like three bucks a semester that you worked at a gas station twelves hours a week to pay for. It did not ask for your future firstborn like some sort of bizarre academic Rumpelstiltskin.

Hyperbole, but yeah. I'm coming in hard with fists and memes at that point.

[phoenix_rising]

42. Very well said (nt)

[Walleye]

55. The OK boomer thing sounded to me like envious resentment

Nobody likes the older generation telling them stuff, but it’s been going on forever.

[Sympthsical]

83. I saw it differently

Probably natural I did.

I perceived it more as, "The world is very, very different from how you experienced it at our age. So these lectures and criticisms are woefully out of touch and are not nearly as filled with wisdom as you seem to think."

I don't mean the usual tension between generations that will always exist ever. "No one's ever felt like me before!" That's usual and expected.

I mean the economic situation is so much different. The idea of being able to buy a home and have financial security if you have a college degree. The cost of that college degree that can follow people around for decades. The cost of living being so out of proportion with wages. When jokes were being made about avocado toast, it was like, "Did you read an article about tech people in SF? Because I promise you, that is not how current generations are living."

Then there are the social aspects. The internet, social media, and handheld technology have created very, very, very different experiences of growing up and entering early adulthood. I'm an older Millennial, and even I'm looking at Gen Z and thinking, "I am so, so, so glad my childhood and teenager years was not experienced through social media." It looks like absolute hell to me. Adolescence is hard enough, and now half the country is doing it with an audience. And we could say, "Just don't do it," but we're saying that as people who aren't being socially pressured to do it. No one gives a shit what I do on social media, as it should be. Does anyone really want to hear my thoughts about the Crown? No.

Just the ability to be able to say, "My generation's life was different from yours. I'm not sure what you're going through, but I'm here and will try to empathize." That should be baseline expectation, but it's proved way too much for many older people. I'm in my early 40s, and there are things Gen Z does that rankle the hell out of me.

But then I remember, their lives and experiences are very different from mine even with only a 20 year difference. They're getting the economic crap I've had, but they're getting it worse. They have dimmer prospects and difficult futures (and we're not even getting into climate change). Their lives are online in ways mine never was. How humans interact has profoundly changed in 20 years. I'm on a college campus four days a week. These kids do not have the same social skills and coping mechanisms we had to develop because we interacted a lot differently growing up. And we blame them for it, when it was us who raised them in this environment.

When do we start blaming the adults a bit in all this?

I know this has gotten long-winded and tangential, but the world for young people today is profoundly different. And I wish older generations would at least make the attempt to understand that, to actually see it, and to show even a smidgen of empathy for it. But it seems too much of what I see offered is sneering, dismissal, mocking, and disdain for what they think are imaginary problems.

People thought avocado toast was clever precisely because they were so horrifically out of touch of what the reality was for young people on the ground.

[Walleye]

95. I've never made a joke about avocado toast. Or about anybody's economic circumstances

I don’t know what older people are mocking and criticizing and lecturing you. But it’s not me. I definitely sympathize with the current generation and the one before, life is fucking tough for you guys. But, have a little sympathy for us. all our loved ones are dying off, none of our goals were achievable. We constantly have to work just to keep the gains that we have made. We really are all in this together. Give us a break. We will be dead soon.

[electric_blue68]

105. Soon?!

Hey , what's "soon"?! 😄

I'm 69. I come frim long lived (90s) family on both sides.
I sort of expect to hit 89 [that is if Repugs don't take away my gov't support systens😫] in pretty good shape (I hope 😄 )!


[Notes to self more vits/mins/phtytonuits, More Tai Chi etc 😁👍]

[Walleye]

106. So true and I hope you live much longer and a happy life

But I have had to admit that at least 3/4 of my life is behind me. I have fucked up in the past a lot more than I’m gonna fuck up in the future. Of course there’s still plenty of time screw up some more

[electric_blue68]

109. Then I guess...

Be healthy and safe as possible and have fun, too as long as you're around. 👍

[Walleye]

110. Thanks really didn't mean to be morbid about this

[electric_blue68]

111. It's ok! We (almost?) all have those moments.

[Jspur]

99. I'm also an older Millennial at the age of 39

and agree with everything you said. I'm the same way with Gen Z when it comes to dealing with them. They drive me nuts at times, but I try to understand where they are coming from and how they are dealing with different things that I didn't deal with when I was their age. For example, I was coaching these young Gen Z teenagers how to play basketball. I remember criticizing this one kid for not trying to play defense when the guy on the other team went up for a dunk. I straight up told him when I was your age, I would always try to block the guy from dunking. The kid's response was "Wow you crazy nah I'm not doing that. I don't want to end up on a video and YouTube getting dunked on." That response hit me because I was thinking I never had to worry about that type of embarrassment in the sense that if I got embarrassed on the basketball court only a select few people would know when I was his age but now an audience of millions of people can view that embarrassing moment.

[Sympthsical]

103. Yesssssss. You nailed it.

I think you've given me a kind light bulb moment, so upfront thanks for that. I'm back in school for a career change and around a lot of younger people on account. What I've perceived is this . . . timidity I've never quite been able to put my finger on. It feels like they're forever trying to slink into the shadows when they're in-person. They don't want to be noticed, don't want to be called on, don't want to express any of their own ideas or take any risks.

There have always been people in school like that. Even the majority in classroom situations sometimes. But now it's all of them. Every class I've had in the past two years. There are days during discussion sessions where the professor and I are pretty much just talking amongst ourselves, because no one wants to give a wrong answer. And it's funny, because I'm a really insular, introverted person. I am not dying to talk in front of a crowd of people half my age. But if I didn't talk, no one would. Sometimes I've sat there resolved not to say anything, and the awkward, uncomfortable silence of no one answering the professor just rolls through the room for what feels like eons.

And it's that desire not to be a target that you've outlined. We never grew up with a ravenous target system always looking for someone to fixate upon for the entertainment of a wider audience. Anything you do can be broadcast to your entire school in seconds.

It's really weird. Like Children of the Corn level weird. But now that you've highlighted it, I think I get it more.

[electric_blue68]

113. That is very interesting, and unfortunate situation for most of them then....

except for those naturally inclined to show off?
And even that group might have degrees of how much do U want to be out there.

And vids go viral to different degrees, and some not at all except to a close group.

🤔 The ? "Fishbowl" Generation(s) until some how they get used to it??

[Jspur]

127. They were born in world controlled and run by social media and

to no fault of their own it's hard for them to disconnect from it. They care a lot about what people are going to say about them on social media which I understand because when you are young you care deeply about what people think about you. Social media just magnifies this problem, and it makes it 10000x worse.

Social media has made dating toxic for them. I remember growing up for us we still had to actually talk on the phone which was uncomfortable but in the long run it was good because it gave us social skills on how to interact with each other and also made us more human. I feel with these dating apps Gen Z are reduced to not feeling like people. It's just swipe and reject but no human element is involved in this. I mention this because I encounter plenty of young guys who are frustrated with dating due to getting rejected hundreds of times on these apps. They then feel they are worthless and there is something wrong with them when in reality these apps are garbage and only favor people who look like models. Keep in mind these guys are not nerds they are regular looking guys who are in shape but feel they are the bottom of the barrel. I tell them the best way to meet women is still the old fashion way which is hanging out at social events and just having a conversation with them. To them this is a foreign concept because they are used to getting everything online within a few clicks.

On the other end I work with a few Gen Z girls who have complained to me they can't find a guy on these dating apps but then show me they have over 100 guys are interested in them on Tinder, Bumble, etc. Keep in mind these girls are average looking so you would think they would be happy with these options, but they are not since none of the 100 guys looks like a model or lives up to their ridiculous expectations. Just like the Gen Z guys they never really learned the normal social etiquette of dating. This one girl for example told me she is in a cooking class after work and likes one of the guys in the cooking class. I told her straight up if you like him you can flirt with him and tell him something like "Hey I like your shirt you look great in it " and then you can feel him out and if he's interesting he will probably ask you for your number. Her reaction to that was "No I'm not doing that. He has to approach me." I laughed and then said how is he going to know that you are interested in him if you don't give him any signals? She then couldn't give me a response.

The final thing that really sticks out to me for Gen Z is how life for them sucks even worse for them than it did for our generation. I say this because I play basketball a lot in my free time, which is really a young man's game, so I get to interreact with a lot of Gen Z guys. One thing I have noticed that really sticks out to me is how they like to ask me 50 questions about my life and are in awe of the life I live. I say this because I feel I live a regular life working a regular white-collar job but to them that seems amazing because they hate their current life, they have since they are either in hschool or college. A lot of them will tell me "I hope to have the type of life you have one day." That to me really stands out to me because when I was their age I never cared or found the lives of older people interesting. I just figured they lived boring lives like my parents and wasn't worth talking to or getting to know. They also ask me a lot of questions on life and how to deal with a bunch of different type of situations which I never cared to ask older people about when I was their age, but I believe they do this because they are truly lost and as a society, we never gave them any guidance of how to navigate this social media world.

Social media has made Gen Z socially awkward because it took away from their abilities to see each other as human and they live in constant fear of being humiliated if they say or do the wrong thing.

[Walleye]

128. There is something very interesting to think about, thank you for that

[electric_blue68]

100. There are differences as you say esp to social interactions bc of the Net, later boom of Social...

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Media.

Plus as far as costs go some things rise somewhat geometrically, but some major other things rose
exponentially! Therein Big Trouble for too many people.

Definitely too many people around my age (turned 30 in '83 ) did get Too Greedy! No argument from me.

I guess maybe if you've your life in a Lib + Dem life with mostly like minded people you experience some things differently due to that.
Doesn't change economics other than how you perceive how to make things better.

[electric_blue68]

81. Just Saying That Some Of Us Boomers NEVER Made a BLANKET Denounciation AGAINST Any Gen Younger....

... Than Us.

[Sympthsical]

85. Should we do a hashtag?

#NotAllBoomers

You see the problem there, right?

[electric_blue68]

117. I suppose not re: hashtag,heh

[scarletlib]

57. I agree. I am a boomer. Always voted Democratic & very progressive.

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Rotten selfish people exist in every generation. Boomers didn’t cause this mess all by themselves. Lots of help from Greatest Generation, Silent Generation and Gen X.

Finally, as a Mother and Grandmother, do you (Millenials et al) think I don’t care very much about the future world they and all young people will inherit?

[electric_blue68]

58. 1+ Not a mom but I have Gen X, Y, Millie's & Z cousins. Love my family, and care about...

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their friends, too.

[Sympthsical]

72. I think tons of older individuals care about the world they're leaving behind

Many, many, many Boomers are totally lovely people.

However, when looked at from a generational perspective of general behavior, the Me Generation proved to be precisely that.

And now Millennials, Z, Alpha are obliged to live on in the wreck of forty years of absolutely terrible economic and environmental choices.

However, I think Boomers did well on the social justice front. We've seen great progress in that area. Still much more to go, but things got better.

[electric_blue68]

87. I Can tell you that I Marched in DC like 3 times in the '80s for Renewable Energies after Ray-gun...

took Prs Carter's WH Solar panels down.

Not Enough people Listened. It was
Very Frustrating!

[Sympthsical]

92. It's not about you

When we discuss men's roles in an epidemic of sexual harassment and assault, it's a bit off for someone to say, "Yeah, but I never treated women that way!" Yes, that's awesome. You are a decent person. Thumbs up. However, that does not mean men as a group have some work to do.

And so you're doing that here. You may not exhibit the generational characteristics being criticized. And that's awesome! But as a whole, older people have been treating the younger generations like trash - even in Democratic spaces - and these older generations have some work to do.

One of the main criticisms of the generation in question is how things tend to get centered around their own feelings and considerations over everyone else's.

It's like . . . welp . . . .

[RobinA]

116. Different Generations

have different societal crosses to bear and different strengths. Terrible economic choices reach back eons, so that's nothing new. I don't envy these kids, but probably only because their world is not my world. Could we all do better? Yeah. Will we? Probably not.

[Celerity]

75. 'OK Boomer' had nothing to do with Dem v Rethug, con v prog, etc, as a fundamental driver

[Mariana]

61. We've even had outright lying about how young people voted.

One poster yesterday claimed that more 18-29 year olds in Florida voted for De Santis than Crist.

[Sympthsical]

73. Narratives can be difficult to let go

I saw people from this space bashing Dem candidates on Twitter during the general election, because the progressive won the primary and they never got over it. Like, retweeting Republican attacks.

So, keeping that sort of thing in mind, I just grain of salt everything that's said. Anyone can wear a blue shirt. Some have dyes that wash out more easily than others.

[hamsterjill]

39. Thank you!

As a lifelong Democrat who has never voted for a Republican, I agree.

[Walleye]

40. Exactly and why would we turn Republican now that we are just enjoying Social Security and Medicare?

I went to Woodstock. I don’t see the hippies turning into right wing nut jobs.

[wnylib]

46. +1000

[Mr.Bill]

76. Yeah, I'm 69 and I don't know

how they cancelled me out since I voted pretty much the same way they did.

[msfiddlestix]

2. That statement implies GebZ voters voted the opposite of me on initiatives and party lines

As if the GenZ demographic were all or majority Republicans.

and voted on corporate sponsored ballot initiatives.

If it means something different. please clarify.

[Wounded Bear]

4. Not mine. I'm 70 and I voted for Dems...

[Earthrise]

29. Yep! The title of the article is annoying. I've been waiting for decades -

for a group of young adults who care about more than making maximum $$$$. The climate crisis and loss of rights seem to have awakened a generational cohort - just as the Vietnam War did.

[Deminpenn]

68. Mine either,

a couple years younger and voted for all Ds helping put Shapiro and Fetterman over the top.

[uponit7771]

5. K&R, teenagers were telling me its an embarrassment to be a Trump supporter at their school.

I'm surprised at the age level they were engaged, they're freshmen and not eligible to vote

[electric_blue68]

28. I was politically active by the time I was 15 several years before the 18 yr old vote passed

[JohnSJ]

7. I would like to see those stats on a state by state basis, because I suspect a red state would be

drastically different than a blue state in 5he demographics

[barbtries]

26. excellent point.

this was an off year election.

[niyad]

9. A friiend remarked, as we were discussing the runoff in GA, that no doubt a

number of the walker voters will drop dead before Dec. And that there will be more Gen Z and fewer pukes in 2024.

[onetexan]

18. LOL funny u mentioned that. I heard on msnbc a few minutes ago

That >200k Gop voters voted for Kemp but not Walker. I'm willing to wager they wont be showing up for him for the runoff

[The Unmitigated Gall]

10. Like I told my 20 year-old daughter

Who somewhat contemptuously dismisses the previous generations as feckless failures, if her generation is going to defeat the billionaires, the oil companies and all those who profit from destroying the planet, they’re going to need the contribution of enlightened voters across ALL generations.

[wryter2000]

11. I'm 74 tomorrow

And I’m not the least upset about this

[calguy]

24. I'm 72, and I'm elated about this

I've been impatiently waiting for the younger generations to grasp the reigns of power that is rightfully theirs.
Now that they've gotten a taste of that power, I hope they inspire others of their generation to vote and shape their own future.

[wryter2000]

43. I don't know what happened to our generation

We're the ones who marched against the war in Vietnam. We celebrated the sexual revolution and said "all power to the people."

[wnylib]

50. Nothing happened to US.

There were always the Young Republican, pro Nixon people at the same time that we were politically active liberals.

So our generation was mixed politically, although I think that liberals might have outnumbered conservatives then.

What happened is not us, but media pundits who paint a picture of us that is not accurate. There are plenty of liberal Boomers and older still around.

[calguy]

115. Yup! And I'm one of them!

[electric_blue68]

123. This

[calguy]

114. I'm proud of what we did

Not everything worked out the way we wanted, and many of the changes we made have been reversed. Every generation can say this.

But two things we did have endured.... We ended the draft, and more importantly, we lowered the voting age to 18.

In my opinion, those are the two most lasting contributions from our generation and are not likely to ever be reversed.

[RobinA]

119. I Am Too

I'm a younger Boomer so a lot was done by those older than I am, but in general I think we made some progress. No more girls going to homes for unwed mothers to have their babies, et al. Our environment in this country is far cleaner than it was in my parents' generation. We had our failures, we had successes that maybe we could have done without, and then we had successes that have made the country a better place. But we never got rid of the death penalty, which I remain surprised at. I really thought that would go away.

[electric_blue68]

125. I was so excited to be in the first set of 18 yr olds to vote!...

My only disappointment was that it was a off year election.

[maxsolomon]

12. 12% of the overall vote.

i'm happy they broke for dems at +28, but are they more than 12% of the voting-age population?

voting is a DUTY.

[RobinA]

121. Agreed

Not impressive.

[ananda]

16. Thank god! I'm so disappointed with my fellow Boomers...

it hurts my heart.

[kpete]

23. ananda, my heart hurts too-

dear fellow boomer:
Let the youngsters lead
I have no doubt they can.

[ananda]

82. No doubt here either.

But I wish the boomers were setting a
better example.

[barbtries]

25. cool, i don't have to vote anymore.

just sit back and leave it to the young'uns

[Earthrise]

30. Hey! What...? That's not the right idea -

[barbtries]

35. it's so not true for me

because i live in NC.

[MineralMan]

33. Not so. They did not cancel my votes nor my wife's.

We're both boomers. We both voted for all of the Democrats on our ballot, just as we always do. So, they reinforced our votes. They didn't cancel them. I'm glad they did, too.

There's no sense at all in pitting generations against each other, nor in condemning all boomers. That's a stupid thing to do, it seems to me.

[Sky Jewels]

36. There will be 8 million more of them eligible to vote in 2024.

Even if only one or two million of them register and actually cast their ballots, it will make a difference.

[MyMission]

91. Excellent point

I had the same thought, all the young people who are looking forward to voting in 2024, especially the teenage girls.
It gives me hope!

[Demsrule86]

38. No they didn't I voted for Democrats...they added their votes to the mix. We need every vote.

[quaint]

41. You convinced me. It's a waste for me to vote and use up so much energy G.O.T.V.

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[twodogsbarking]

44. I am age 70 but voting since I was 20.

I have never thought it to be as important as I do today.
People of all ages please register and vote.

[wnylib]

45. I'm over 65. They did not cancel me out if they voted Dem.

Where does this assumption come from that all Boomers or older are MAGAs or at least Republican? Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren are over 65. They are not MAGAs.

[Sogo]

47. There's the future of the electorate.

And that's why Republicans should be terrified. They've got nothing for that generation.

[Wounded Bear]

52. Repubs have thrived on keeping the electorate docile and apathetic...

an educated and enthused younger generation that might vote for the rest of their lives, terrorizes them.

[dembotoz]

49. 'they voted once will they vote twice

and so the work begins

[MaryMagdaline]

51. I think we should pour on the praise to GenZ

We’re always whining (rightfully) about the lack of a liberal echo chamber. The fact that GenZ came out to vote should be hugely rewarded - lots and lots of praise, 24 hours a day. First, it instills pride in a new generation and we need more and more of them to come out and vote. Second, it demoralizes the enemy. Third, it causes politicians to look at GenZ to see what their issues are and to cater to those issues. Their issues are ours.

I’m a Boomer. Don’t care if GenZ get the credit. Let’s welcome them with open arms.

I’ve been a minority voter most of my life. First vote was 1982 midterms and my generation had already been sucked into Reagonomics. I voted for Mondale in 1984, Dukakis in 1988 and Clinton in 1992. We only won in 1992 because of Perot. My generation of white voters have always voted Republican. I’m so damned happy that GenZ are coming of age.

[MyMission]

86. I agree! Praise and gratitude

They are voting for their future, as well as their present. I agree with everything you said. I think Roe did it, woke them up. I laugh at the term woke, which I see as positive and want to reclaim, like
Wake the Fuck up! Ok, I'm awake!
I'm conscious of my surroundings. I'm woke.

Rethugs are now getting woke to tfg, realizing he's not helping or enriching them. We should put that out there! It's getting out but they're not calling it woke. (Sorry about the rant)
Our young people are woke now! And that's promising for our future. They get it!
Praise and gratitude.

We're close in age, late boomers. My first vote was 1980, and I have the same observations and voting record as you. Some in our generation didn't vote until they were in their 20's or 30's. 2022 turnout was boosted by gen Z, and women of all ages.
I expect that trend to continue and expand. I think about the many 16-18 year olds who will be voting in 2024. It gives me hope.

[czarjak]

53. F-I-N-A-L-L-Y, turnout! Glad I lived to see it. PLEASE proceed.

[TheRickles]

54. Another reason the polls were so far off - they contact voters via landlines.

And landline users skew much older than cellphone users. So there's a built-in conservative/R bias to polls due to sampling error, unless these factors are taken into account.

[electric_blue68]

126. Definitely remembered hearing that even last year re pollster polling

Have had a landline and added a cellphone in 2009 (basic first, smart one since Covid stated).

Have get a new landline phone didn't take mine when I unexpectedly had to move. Still have my # but have to reconnect.

[MadMike47]

56. Not me.

I'm seventy-five and I voted blue!!

[RocRizzo55]

59. Not this boomer!

I have never voter red, and I’ve been voting since 1973.

[liberalla]

60. Jeez I hope they stay active! This country will be much better off with their participation!

[nolabear]

62. Only the ones who voted GOP. We weren't cancelled. We were multiplied!

This homogenization of older people really needs to stop.

[frogmarch]

63. What an insult

to those of us over 65 who voted for Democrats.

[spooky3]

97. The Dems likely got MORE Dem votes from over 65s than from 18-29s. See:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17368107

[DownriverDem]

64. No they didn't

Please stop the attacking of Boomers. You really need to stop lumping us all like we vote the same. I don't know where folks got the idea that all Boomers are repubs. Not true and never was true.

[txwhitedove]

77. Exactly. My vote has been straight Democratic ticket since

McGovern.

[electric_blue68]

120. Yup 👍 Poor Sen McGovern that was so bad. Did you know he flew like 30 missions during WW2, that

he didn't want to puff up his war record during the race!
Didn't know till decades later!

[Celerity]

79. disagree

The ratio of youth bashes to actual attacks on Boomers here is very much tilted tilted to youth bashes since I joined this board in summer 2018.

I don't know where folks got the idea that all Boomers are repubs.

Red herring.

No one said that in this OP thread or any other that I can recall. Also, this is far from the first time I have seen this false framing gambit employed.

[RobinA]

122. Well,

right now the repubs who are most visible are Boomers with loud mouths, so maybe a superficial glance leads one to believe that all Boomers are Repubs.

[Rebl2]

65. Good for them!

Now I hope they vote in Georgia on Dec. 6!!!

[jerseyjim]

66. I am a 76 year old, liberal Baby Boomer, but

recognize the fact that many in my generation long for the "good old days." Many in my generation who lived in a post WWII, prosperity, don't realize how good they had it -- especially whites. I hear them complain about "the spoiled kids, today". That is total bullshit. I was kicked off a Baby Boomers Facebook group, probably for commenting that our generation was no better than any other.

I switched to the Democratic party in 1984 after understanding more of what Reagan was about. I naively voted for Reagan the first time, but voted for Mondale the second time. It's too bad that Reagan won a second term and I apologize for voting for him the first time.

[Rebl2]

70. I started voting

when I was 19. I voted for Jimmy Carter and he won! The only time I voted for a Republican is for G. Bush the elder-forgive me.

[Warpy]

67. That decline in oder voters is most likely due to DEATH

It doesn't mean either age group voted as a bloc, although generally speaking, I'm voting with the kids, this generation is finally wary of the blandishments of the Kampus Konservative Klub.

There was also very likely a blue shift among old folks, most of whom know TFG fans who took Plaquenil or Ivermectin, caught Covid, and died. That was a strong disincentive to vote for anyone who kissed TFG's corpulent arse.

The number of old voters will continue to decline as Boomers die off. Just don't assume they're all GQP. A lot of us kept the faith.

[orangecrush]

74. When I was their age

I had to walk backwards uphill through 3 feet of snow to vote!



JUST KIDDING!


THANK YOU, YOUNG DEMOCRATS!

[Torchlight]

88. It will be interesting when the numbers unpacked

for an objective analysis after all is said and done. The evidence-based conclusions will be very eye-opening I think.

[Samrob]

89. We just need to get some Gen Z to move to red areas. It will be cheaper for them and they can build

the communities from the ground up, get rid of guns and make niche Z communities all over the country like silicon valley but based on green energy. Just get some Federal funding for start-ups, build affordable housing, and build great schools. They only need a few left leaning venture capitalists to start the movement. Maybe someone like Tom Steyer, and other left-leaning billionairs? It's called seeding...

[JI7]

90. This is about Race also

as younger generations have higher percentage of non whites while the older ones have higher percentage of whites.

[AntivaxHunters]

93. But I was told young people don't vote!

What happened? I've read here many times that young people don't turn out to vote??? /sarcasm

In all serious, it's time to pass the torch. Young voters are now the majority.
And they are very left wing! This is going to be beautiful!!!!

[spooky3]

96. That is incorrect, due to the much larger over 65 group--see this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17368107

[SickOfTheOnePct]

102. Yep

Also misleading since they would only cancel out votes within the same state.

Great that the youngers are voting in larger numbers, and hope to see it even higher next time, but the premise as presented is very misleading.

[CBHagman]

112. First, young adult turnout wasn't particularly high, just higher than normal.

The initial figures were that about 27% percent of the demographic voted. So while the support for Democrats helped, the young adult turnout was comparatively weak.

Second, the older voters are split, among the parties, not monolithic. So it's a myth that younger voters canceled older voters out.

[LiberalFighter]

118. Makes no sense. To cancel out there needs to be the same number of voters in each group.

That is not the case.

ALSO!!! This is for the whole country. Not by state or congressional district. Each have different demographics.

[LiberalFighter]

124. What did help was the margin in the 65+ group narrowed between Democratic and Republican voters.

[electric_blue68]

129. We Can Thank the Gen Z who turned out more, Black People (esp the stalwart Women), Most Latins

(depending on... place of origin [like Cubans] & generations, maybe?), most other POCs, most of the LGBTQI Community, Liberal Religious, Spiritual, guessing more Agnostcs, Aetheists, and my group -
College Educated White Women
🎓 👍🧡👍🧡👍🧡👍
so far we still vote more Dems than Repuglicans! 👍

[Jose Pendleton]

131. What percentage of Gen Z didn't vote?

in other words, what was the turnout among generation Z individuals?