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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDumb Fuck Trump thought he was being smart when he announced he was running for president.
All his announcement did was speed up the process of indicting him. Before Trump made his announcement Garland was on no timeline, no matter what other people think, now he is. When Trump announced he was running for president that set a timeline.
Garland knew at that moment he had to take action and he did. He hired Smith for a reason. To take swift action.
Trump is fucking stupid. He is proving it time and time again. When he learned the Archives, FBI, knew he had documents. All Trump had to do was return them and he would have walked. He was so stupid, so child like, he defied a grand jury subpoena and attempted to hide the secret documents in a place he thought no one would ever find them, His fucking desk. What an idiot.
brewens
(13,582 posts)I'm surprised they don't. Of course, it would have to be secret, and they couldn't trust him. There would probably be no end to it.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)and the recipients of that payment so far seem to have enough sense to take the money and go away quietly.
MF45, isn't that smart.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
His involvement just aids to weaken and fragment the GOP.
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gab13by13
(21,333 posts)that adding a step in the prosecution of Trump makes the process speed up, but you know what, you are probably right.
Saying that adding a special counsel speeds up indicting Trump is very revealing and best left unsaid by me.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)counsel a year ago.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Garland could take his time in the secret document investigation. Let the court cases, special master decision run their course. When Trump announced that set a timeline and Garland took swift action. Trump announcement sped up the process because it set a timeline.
kiri
(794 posts)Trump gets huge legal advantage, DOJ opens the door wide for all manner of trump's very successful , tried and proven delaying strategies. Trump now can bring motions to challenge the "Special Council" law, delaying at least a year. Trump will sue the Biden DOJ with being partisan while he is running for president. Garland's DOJ has persistently misunderstood/miscalculated time lines of waves of public and political supports. A "tide in the affairs of men' is unknown to Garland. Is DOJ really so ignorant of TFG's history--and his successes?
Trump's army of lawyers have "brilliantly' gamed the system for 30 years, tying up the courts, delay, delay... Rinse, repeat. Rule of law has lost this match.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)Tribe and Weissmann have said it can proceed more quickly due to reduced bureaucracy in decision-making.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)and then pointed out that the special prosecutor will be able to focus solely on this. He believes it will speed the process up, too.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Like the Special Master resulting in his ass being handed to him, this will backfire on him bigly.
gab13by13
(21,333 posts)There was absolutely no need for a special master.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Chainfire
(17,536 posts)How dare they? Do they not know who he is? Pride, and arrogance, go before the fall.
gab13by13
(21,333 posts)vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)I like it!
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)RainCaster
(10,871 posts)The 30% of the GOP who think DFT is electable.. They will send their hard earned money to the election fund so that Murka will be racist again.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)money?
RainCaster
(10,871 posts)The Gullible will send their last dollar to support the cause of a Racist Republic.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)Those religious nutbags never run out of suckers or money to grift.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)but here we have a guy who publicly incited a riot, asked russia for help, got impeached for blackmailing Ukraine, committed fraud on his corporation, stole top secret documents, declassified materials that harmed our national security, has had multiple rape allegations, admitted on tape that he grabbed women inappropriately (e.g. grabbed them by the p*y) - and he still has not been indicted on anything.
Our enemies are laughing at us and taking advantage of our weakness.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Taking advantage of our weakness?
Thanks in advance!
samsingh
(17,595 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Dem Senators and house rep. Appreciate it.
behind closed doors, they are toasting/laughing at the stupidity of trump and the people and countries with a vested interest in weakening us who provided us with such a corrupt POTUS like trump. Ignore the challenges, you are 100% correct.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)There are MORE than a enough scumbag partisan Rs in the mix that he likely knew they would this after the election, and he wanted to get out ahead of it.
The idea that this somehow is meant to speed up the process counter literally everything that has occurred prior to this, which makes the movement of glaciers look like lightning strikes.
JudyM
(29,236 posts)The timing of the SC announcement was far too quick after TFGs announcement to be caused by his announcement, IMO. Garland is deliberative, this had clearly been in the works, and as the time approached, that major news would have been hard to contain within DOJ. TFG announcing just before the election doesnt make sense otherwise, unless he just randomly wanted more spotlight.
dembotoz
(16,802 posts)still not convinced garland will go after him.
just a repeat of mueller time?
yeah that brought trump to his knees.....
PatSeg
(47,423 posts)but he used to rely on the services of competent lawyers. Now he can't get a good lawyer to represent him, so he's relying primarily on his own "very, very large brain". Guess he's just following his gut these days!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that one of the big reasons most attorneys won't represent him is that he won't follow advice and insists they do what he wants. I'm sure you're thinking of that now!
He's set legal trumpster fires by the thousands. My guess is his competent attorneys probably relied as heavily as the ones now on threatening claimants (as tRump requires), delay-delay-delay until they give up, bankruptcy as a nuclear cheat, and of course as a last recourse throwing money at legal problems tRump couldn't cheat out of existence.
Oh, of course they'd also have needed careful practices to insulate themselves from liability for tRump's constant lies and SOP evidence destruction -- one place there must have been more competence than in the current clown car load. Though Cohen did go to prison, and guessing others may still.
God! This depraved thing really became POTUS. Our daughter told me I haven't lost my mind and it's not all a senile dream.
Oh, well. Thanksgiving's demanding attention.
And I think he's been through all the halfway competent ones who will put up with his endless crap. Now he'll be lucky to find one advertised on a park bench who will take his case(s). I guess he thought there was an endless supply! It also doesn't help that he wasn't good about paying for their services! He may have to resort to representing himself - I'd pay to see that!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In fact, I feel pretty sure he'd be glad to testify to congress if he could sell tickets to a national audience -- and just plan to deal with the legal problems that generated later. Supposedly his advisers had/have to talk him out of choosing to perform for that national audience anyway.
PatSeg
(47,423 posts)that idea has floated around in his head! Perhaps a way to get the two things he cares about most - attention and money!
sop
(10,172 posts)Something needs to happen soon. I don't care if it takes appointing a SC, just do it.
Ford_Prefect
(7,895 posts)since it appears that the GOP will soon run the house as an ongoing witch hunt.
I don't know why DOJ has taken so long that this tactic is necessary. IMO there is more here than meets the eye and has been since day one 2015. Trump has been a Russian stooge since the 1980's so the evidence and the crimes stretch over quite a long period. I think the broader question is who paid to put Trump in the White House and for everything after that including the Jan.6th assault? Who helped him plan it all? Who is still engaged in the larger plan to defederalize our government?
The media have no clue IMO. They are in search of the next headline thrill and Trump has used this addiction of theirs well.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)as your post's relevance finally struck a chord with me. Patience is one thing, gullibility in the ongoing process is the other side of that mirror. I just hope this non-partisan Special Counsel will do something to shake the conman trump to his core, soon.
DENVERPOPS
(8,820 posts)We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and there is a good possibility (probability) that the public will ever know the massive amount of Crap the Republican Powers To Be have pulled off in the shadows of Trump's daily shit storms that he pulled off for four plus years.
The Republican Party, Trump, and the Mass Media (being 80+% owned by The Republicans) have the same motto:
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bullshit".........
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)takes, per legal process" ? Or can SC move faster than DOJ could have and Garland knew that?
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)We aren't supposed to notice that!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)done right after Mueller report of a Republican. She said that, no she didn't read the Mueller report, because she figured there couldn't be anything THAT bad if Ds weren't screaming from rooftops. Think true. Oh we're screaming on this alright, but is anyone in power? FG is allowed to run again like it's another happy day in the neighborhood.
And extended time, away from act itself, works against us. You're not gonna tell your kid, hey you're in trouble you took money out of my purse two years ago!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but I'm pretty sure Garland would know. I've just assumed the DoJ always had a number of ways to proceed, each with its own plusses and minuses which would change with the situation, each involving different possible substrategies. Yet another of many changes as this proceeds?
Just occurred to me that even multi-dimensional chess players don't typically have to consider time as a complicating factor at all. None of them ever have to strategize around the various MAGA party's moves and tRump's rages and rule-smashing ego either.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)imply too that it's not only about the process taking " as long as it takes, it takes"?
Not trying to be difficult...just seems like mixed messages
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)any one of which might have to become adopted, taking as long as that course would take. If that choice'd take too long to succeed, though, as in handing the opposition a sure time-weapon to win, that'd be a rule-out.
I just always assume time's going to be one of the biggest and most critical factors in whatever's happening, a giant, potentially nuclear asset/weapon/liability both sides will struggle to use to win. At least I'm never disappointed in that assumption alone.
All sides keep what they know and plan secret. They're all constantly examining every change in circumstance for changes in time factors and what others will then try to do with those, yada-yada, complexities, tradeoffs, effects on future decisions, creation of more time issues to turn into time bombs. Etc. I don't even bother to try to guess.
Just thinking about this is making me wish it were cocktail time. Come to think of it, it would be if I were with our daughter on the beach in Cozumel...
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #24)
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Initech
(100,068 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)So far, its all talk. If youve got enough of the goods, Garland, for Petes sake, make your move!!!
Otherwise the bad guys gonna walk, posting relentlessly how supposedly unfair it all was, and nothing good or moral or just will be learned. What WILL be learned, by smart sneaky calculating trump-wannabes, is how to do yer dirtiest and get away with it.
This is an awfully shitty precedent to set up. And in the future, there WILL be human jackals determined to take advantage of it.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Jury. Theres apparently a case behind closed door to get rid of Trumps bogus claims of executive privilege/attorney client privilege. This will free up the lawyers in Trumps white house council office to talk about private convos with Trump.
In otherwords there is a lot of new really important stuff for the Grand Jury coming up.
So going on. You can read about these things in legit newspapers.
iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)investigation. I think that was his game plan to come out and assert that the Biden and DOJ were persecuting Biden's political opponents in the belief that the DOJ would put the investigations on hold until after the election.
mwb970
(11,358 posts)His worshipers are not much smarter, if at all.
MH
Sogo
(4,986 posts)they contain dirt on a lot of Republicans. It's his way of keeping them all in line....
I distinctly recall that early on in his tenure, he and a bunch of Rs were in the Rose Garden for a gathering to celebrate something (maybe a tax cut?), and he stood at a podium and pointed out with a sweeping gesture at the crowd and said, "I know things about all these people."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Not too long ago that someone concluded or said that there was nothing nefarious about him keeping the documents other than an ego trip.
And you know remember how he said he rigged the Florida 2018 election for DeSantis. Will fact check concluded that wasn't true at all. And that no one from FBI or doj went near Florida.
So I'm starting to think that maybe when he says he's got something on someone he really doesn't and he's just bullshiting. But people are thinking hell I've done shit wrong, maybe he does have something??
NoMoreRepugs
(9,422 posts)you HAVE TO WIN or the rule of law will forever be challenged as a tool of the party in power - at least that's my opinion.