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Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:23 AM

Dumb Fuck Trump thought he was being smart when he announced he was running for president.

All his announcement did was speed up the process of indicting him. Before Trump made his announcement Garland was on no timeline, no matter what other people think, now he is. When Trump announced he was running for president that set a timeline.

Garland knew at that moment he had to take action and he did. He hired Smith for a reason. To take swift action.

Trump is fucking stupid. He is proving it time and time again. When he learned the Archives, FBI, knew he had documents. All Trump had to do was return them and he would have walked. He was so stupid, so child like, he defied a grand jury subpoena and attempted to hide the secret documents in a place he thought no one would ever find them, His fucking desk. What an idiot.

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Reply Dumb Fuck Trump thought he was being smart when he announced he was running for president. (Original post)
fightforfreedom Nov 21 OP
brewens Nov 21 #1
FoxNewsSucks Nov 21 #29
TheBlackAdder Nov 21 #31
gab13by13 Nov 21 #2
Scrivener7 Nov 21 #4
fightforfreedom Nov 21 #5
kiri Nov 21 #35
moonscape Nov 21 #32
femmedem Nov 21 #50
Scrivener7 Nov 21 #3
fightforfreedom Nov 21 #7
Scrivener7 Nov 21 #8
relayerbob Nov 21 #6
gab13by13 Nov 21 #10
relayerbob Nov 21 #43
Chainfire Nov 21 #9
gab13by13 Nov 21 #11
vanlassie Nov 21 #51
Dirty Socialist Nov 21 #46
vsrazdem Nov 21 #12
RainCaster Nov 21 #13
emulatorloo Nov 21 #23
RainCaster Nov 21 #28
FoxNewsSucks Nov 21 #30
emulatorloo Nov 21 #42
samsingh Nov 21 #14
emulatorloo Nov 21 #15
samsingh Nov 21 #18
emulatorloo Nov 21 #20
llashram Nov 21 #33
Cosmocat Nov 21 #48
JudyM Nov 21 #55
dembotoz Nov 21 #16
PatSeg Nov 21 #17
Joinfortmill Nov 21 #25
Hortensis Nov 21 #49
PatSeg Nov 21 #58
Hortensis Nov 21 #60
PatSeg Nov 21 #61
sop Nov 21 #19
Ford_Prefect Nov 21 #21
Joinfortmill Nov 21 #26
llashram Nov 21 #37
DENVERPOPS Nov 21 #47
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 21 #22
Scrivener7 Nov 21 #39
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 21 #54
Hortensis Nov 21 #45
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 21 #53
Hortensis Nov 21 #59
Joinfortmill Nov 21 #24
Joinfortmill Nov 21 #27
Initech Nov 21 #34
calimary Nov 21 #36
llashram Nov 21 #38
emulatorloo Nov 21 #44
iluvtennis Nov 21 #40
mwb970 Nov 21 #41
Sogo Nov 21 #52
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 21 #56
NoMoreRepugs Nov 21 #57

Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:31 AM

1. It would be so worth it to some of his billionaire supporters to pay him to go away,

I'm surprised they don't. Of course, it would have to be secret, and they couldn't trust him. There would probably be no end to it.

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Response to brewens (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:38 AM

29. Bonesaw Arabia made a payment,

and the recipients of that payment so far seem to have enough sense to take the money and go away quietly.

MF45, isn't that smart.

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Response to brewens (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:40 AM

31. It also put him on the GOP radar to knock him down earlier rather than later.

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His involvement just aids to weaken and fragment the GOP.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:36 AM

2. This is the first time that I have heard

that adding a step in the prosecution of Trump makes the process speed up, but you know what, you are probably right.

Saying that adding a special counsel speeds up indicting Trump is very revealing and best left unsaid by me.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:39 AM

4. I hope others noted, as I have, that YOU were saying there should be a special

counsel a year ago.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:43 AM

5. Before Trump announced he was running Garland was on no timeline.

Garland could take his time in the secret document investigation. Let the court cases, special master decision run their course. When Trump announced that set a timeline and Garland took swift action. Trump announcement sped up the process because it set a timeline.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:47 AM

35. trump gets huge legal advantage, Garland is incorrect.

Trump gets huge legal advantage, DOJ opens the door wide for all manner of trump's very successful , tried and proven delaying strategies. Trump now can bring motions to challenge the "Special Council" law, delaying at least a year. Trump will sue the Biden DOJ with being partisan while he is running for president. Garland's DOJ has persistently misunderstood/miscalculated time lines of waves of public and political supports. A "tide in the affairs of men' is unknown to Garland. Is DOJ really so ignorant of TFG's history--and his successes?

Trump's army of lawyers have "brilliantly' gamed the system for 30 years, tying up the courts, delay, delay... Rinse, repeat. Rule of law has lost this match.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:42 AM

32. Several notable folks like

Tribe and Weissmann have said it can proceed more quickly due to reduced bureaucracy in decision-making.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:22 PM

50. Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out the vast range of investigations that Garland oversees

and then pointed out that the special prosecutor will be able to focus solely on this. He believes it will speed the process up, too.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:37 AM

3. Lol.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:45 AM

7. Enjoy yourself while it lasts.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:47 AM

8. While what lasts? The rule of law? I'm not enjoying the beating it is taking one bit.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:45 AM

6. Agreed

Like the Special Master resulting in his ass being handed to him, this will backfire on him bigly.

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:53 AM

10. What has the special master added but delay?

There was absolutely no need for a special master.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:15 AM

43. That was the point

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:52 AM

9. Turnip could not imagine that anyone would have the audacity, the gall, to search his desk.

How dare they? Do they not know who he is? Pride, and arrogance, go before the fall.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:54 AM

11. Now if they could only find the documents that are still missing.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:23 PM

51. Open the grave.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:33 AM

46. "Turnip" LOL

I like it!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:55 AM

12. He also made sure that he now has to foot all his legal bills with no more help from RNC.

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:06 AM

13. That's OK, he can grift off his rubes

The 30% of the GOP who think DFT is electable.. They will send their hard earned money to the election fund so that Murka will be racist again.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:25 AM

23. That well has gotta be drying up. How many times can he go back to them if they are running out of

money?

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:38 AM

28. He's the same as those prosperity preachers

The Gullible will send their last dollar to support the cause of a Racist Republic.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:40 AM

30. My first thought too.

Those religious nutbags never run out of suckers or money to grift.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:11 AM

42. Good point.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:15 AM

14. i don't know if i'd give the justice department that much credit. I hope you are right

but here we have a guy who publicly incited a riot, asked russia for help, got impeached for blackmailing Ukraine, committed fraud on his corporation, stole top secret documents, declassified materials that harmed our national security, has had multiple rape allegations, admitted on tape that he grabbed women inappropriately (e.g. grabbed them by the p*y) - and he still has not been indicted on anything.

Our enemies are laughing at us and taking advantage of our weakness.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:18 AM

15. Which enemies are laughing at us and can you give us specific concrete examples of how they are

Taking advantage of our ‘weakness?’

Thanks in advance!

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:21 AM

18. russia, china, north korea, saudia arabia

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Response to samsingh (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:24 AM

20. What SPECIFICALLY are they doing. Concrete examples. I would like to know so I could call my

Dem Senators and house rep. Appreciate it.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:45 AM

33. +++

behind closed doors, they are toasting/laughing at the stupidity of trump and the people and countries with a vested interest in weakening us who provided us with such a corrupt POTUS like trump. Ignore the challenges, you are 100% correct.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:12 PM

48. I am more inclined to think that he got wind of what was happening

There are MORE than a enough scumbag partisan Rs in the mix that he likely knew they would this after the election, and he wanted to get out ahead of it.

The idea that this somehow is meant to speed up the process counter literally everything that has occurred prior to this, which makes the movement of glaciers look like lightning strikes.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:40 PM

55. Same here.

The timing of the SC announcement was far too quick after TFG’s announcement to be caused by his announcement, IMO. Garland is deliberative, this had clearly been in the works, and as the time approached, that major news would have been hard to contain within DOJ. TFG announcing just before the election doesn’t make sense otherwise, unless he just randomly wanted more spotlight.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:20 AM

16. he believed the polls...a red wave would have made him more untouchable

still not convinced garland will go after him.

just a repeat of mueller time?

yeah that brought trump to his knees.....

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:20 AM

17. Yep, Trump has always been pretty stupid,

but he used to rely on the services of competent lawyers. Now he can't get a good lawyer to represent him, so he's relying primarily on his own "very, very large brain". Guess he's just following his gut these days!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:32 AM

25. Lol

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:14 PM

49. Lol, oh, DID he? We're together on stupid, but I'm recalling

that one of the big reasons most attorneys won't represent him is that he won't follow advice and insists they do what he wants. I'm sure you're thinking of that now!

He's set legal trumpster fires by the thousands. My guess is his competent attorneys probably relied as heavily as the ones now on threatening claimants (as tRump requires), delay-delay-delay until they give up, bankruptcy as a nuclear cheat, and of course as a last recourse throwing money at legal problems tRump couldn't cheat out of existence.

Oh, of course they'd also have needed careful practices to insulate themselves from liability for tRump's constant lies and SOP evidence destruction -- one place there must have been more competence than in the current clown car load. Though Cohen did go to prison, and guessing others may still.

God! This depraved thing really became POTUS. Our daughter told me I haven't lost my mind and it's not all a senile dream.

Oh, well. Thanksgiving's demanding attention.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 02:22 PM

58. Oh yes

And I think he's been through all the halfway competent ones who will put up with his endless crap. Now he'll be lucky to find one advertised on a park bench who will take his case(s). I guess he thought there was an endless supply! It also doesn't help that he wasn't good about paying for their services! He may have to resort to representing himself - I'd pay to see that!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #58)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 03:00 PM

60. Lol, no doubt he'd be delighted to perform and charge for it.

In fact, I feel pretty sure he'd be glad to testify to congress if he could sell tickets to a national audience -- and just plan to deal with the legal problems that generated later. Supposedly his advisers had/have to talk him out of choosing to perform for that national audience anyway.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 03:07 PM

61. Oh and you just know

that idea has floated around in his head! Perhaps a way to get the two things he cares about most - attention and money!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:21 AM

19. Yeah, I really hope you're right.

Something needs to happen soon. I don't care if it takes appointing a SC, just do it.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:24 AM

21. IMO it was done to isolate the investigation/prosecution from future Congressional interference,

since it appears that the GOP will soon run the house as an ongoing witch hunt.

I don't know why DOJ has taken so long that this tactic is necessary. IMO there is more here than meets the eye and has been since day one 2015. Trump has been a Russian stooge since the 1980's so the evidence and the crimes stretch over quite a long period. I think the broader question is who paid to put Trump in the White House and for everything after that including the Jan.6th assault? Who helped him plan it all? Who is still engaged in the larger plan to defederalize our government?

The media have no clue IMO. They are in search of the next headline thrill and Trump has used this addiction of theirs well.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:33 AM

26. Agree

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:51 AM

37. I'm slowly getting there

as your post's relevance finally struck a chord with me. Patience is one thing, gullibility in the ongoing process is the other side of that mirror. I just hope this non-partisan Special Counsel will do something to shake the conman trump to his core, soon.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:53 AM

47. Good Call FP

We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and there is a good possibility (probability) that the public will ever know the massive amount of Crap the Republican Powers To Be have pulled off in the shadows of Trump's daily shit storms that he pulled off for four plus years.

The Republican Party, Trump, and the Mass Media (being 80+% owned by The Republicans) have the same motto:

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bullshit".........

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:24 AM

22. Well doesn't that refute all the " it will take as long as it

takes, per legal process" ? Or can SC move faster than DOJ could have and Garland knew that?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:53 AM

39. Shhhhhhh!

We aren't supposed to notice that!

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:39 PM

54. Haha. For some reason I just had flashback of an interview

done right after Mueller report of a Republican. She said that, no she didn't read the Mueller report, because she figured there couldn't be anything THAT bad if Ds weren't screaming from rooftops. Think true. Oh we're screaming on this alright, but is anyone in power? FG is allowed to run again like it's another happy day in the neighborhood.

And extended time, away from act itself, works against us. You're not gonna tell your kid, hey you're in trouble you took money out of my purse two years ago!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:30 AM

45. :) Mornin'. No idea if SC can turn out to move faster,

but I'm pretty sure Garland would know. I've just assumed the DoJ always had a number of ways to proceed, each with its own plusses and minuses which would change with the situation, each involving different possible substrategies. Yet another of many changes as this proceeds?

Just occurred to me that even multi-dimensional chess players don't typically have to consider time as a complicating factor at all. None of them ever have to strategize around the various MAGA party's moves and tRump's rages and rule-smashing ego either.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:31 PM

53. That's so true.. timing not a typical factor. But yet again, doesn't that

imply too that it's not only about the process taking " as long as it takes, it takes"?

Not trying to be difficult...just seems like mixed messages

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 02:52 PM

59. ? I thiiink I mean it's about various possible processes,

any one of which might have to become adopted, taking as long as that course would take. If that choice'd take too long to succeed, though, as in handing the opposition a sure time-weapon to win, that'd be a rule-out.

I just always assume time's going to be one of the biggest and most critical factors in whatever's happening, a giant, potentially nuclear asset/weapon/liability both sides will struggle to use to win. At least I'm never disappointed in that assumption alone.

All sides keep what they know and plan secret. They're all constantly examining every change in circumstance for changes in time factors and what others will then try to do with those, yada-yada, complexities, tradeoffs, effects on future decisions, creation of more time issues to turn into time bombs. Etc. I don't even bother to try to guess.

Just thinking about this is making me wish it were cocktail time. Come to think of it, it would be if I were with our daughter on the beach in Cozumel...

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:28 AM

24. Agree. I suspect he's traded/sold some info too.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:46 AM

34. He's a smart guy, a very smart guy. Nobody is smarter than he is!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:48 AM

36. I'll reserve judgment if/when I see actual indictments.

So far, it’s all talk. If you’ve got enough of the goods, Garland, for Pete’s sake, make your move!!!

Otherwise the bad guy’s gonna walk, posting relentlessly how supposedly unfair it all was, and nothing good or moral or just will be learned. What WILL be learned, by smart sneaky calculating trump-wannabes, is how to do yer dirtiest and get away with it.

This is an awfully shitty precedent to set up. And in the future, there WILL be human jackals determined to take advantage of it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:52 AM

38. +++

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Response to calimary (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:18 AM

44. Last I heard witnesses are still coming forward or being compelled to testify to the Jan 6th Grand

Jury. There’s apparently a case behind closed door to get rid of Trump’s bogus claims of executive privilege/attorney client privilege. This will free up the lawyers in Trump’s white house council office to talk about private convo’s with Trump.

In otherwords there is a lot of new really important stuff for the Grand Jury coming up.

So going on. You can read about these things in legit newspapers.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:59 AM

40. In my opinion tfg thought that his being a candidate for the presidency would shield him from

investigation. I think that was his game plan to come out and assert that the Biden and DOJ were persecuting Biden's political opponents in the belief that the DOJ would put the investigations on hold until after the election.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:04 AM

41. Stupid beyond belief.

His worshipers are not much smarter, if at all.

MH

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:26 PM

52. My conjecture about those documents, especially the ones he insists are "his," is that

they contain dirt on a lot of Republicans. It's his way of keeping them all in line....

I distinctly recall that early on in his tenure, he and a bunch of Rs were in the Rose Garden for a gathering to celebrate something (maybe a tax cut?), and he stood at a podium and pointed out with a sweeping gesture at the crowd and said, "I know things about all these people."

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Response to Sogo (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 12:42 PM

56. Might be true! Although I thought I did read something

Not too long ago that someone concluded or said that there was nothing nefarious about him keeping the documents other than an ego trip.

And you know remember how he said he rigged the Florida 2018 election for DeSantis. Will fact check concluded that wasn't true at all. And that no one from FBI or doj went near Florida.

So I'm starting to think that maybe when he says he's got something on someone he really doesn't and he's just bullshiting. But people are thinking hell I've done shit wrong, maybe he does have something??

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2022, 01:41 PM

57. To all the Garland bashers I say - IF you are going to indict and bring an ex-POTUS to trial

you HAVE TO WIN or the rule of law will forever be challenged as a tool of the party in power - at least that's my opinion.

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