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H2O Man

(73,579 posts)
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:16 PM Nov 2022

"The Violence Project"

“Struggle is a never-ending process. Freedom is never really won, you earn it and win it in every generation.” -- Coretta Scott King


Over the weekend, I had read a post about Martin Luther King, Jr., on -- of all places -- an internet boxing forum I like. The resulting discussion had me making a mental outline for an essay regarding Dr. King for this forum. But that changed in the early morning hours, when a good friend messaged me that there had been a "shooting at the Colorado Spring's Q bar last evenig."

Like millions of Americans, I am horrified by the seemingly never-ending mass shootings that have become so common. And like too many of us, my life has been effected by shootings where less than four people are killed. So much so, in fact, that I decided to use one of my favorite Coretta Scott King quotes to start this with.

Please allow me one paragraph on boxing, an often brutal and ugly sport. It remains the sport most connected with US politics, though not nearly as much as it was years ago. We can think of Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. Or Dr. King talking on the telephone with Ali when the champion took an anti-war stance based upon conscience. Likewise, my late friend Rubin Carter was friends with both Malcolm and Martin, but had a longer and closer relationship with Coretta.

Now, she was actually more "radical" in her thoughts on the changes required to bring about social justice than Martin was. Thus, because I consider myself to be on the left edge of the Democratic Party, I have the utmost respect for her. More, I understand that we are not sitting on some tremulous wall, where some will fall while other factions survive, I try to concentrate on what progress is possible -- with a deep understanding that it requires as united an effort as possible.

Back to mass shootings. We know that organizations such as the NRA have and will continue to create divisions that prevent progress by yelping about the threat to Amendment 2. Dispite the fact that even most NRA members would like to keep guns out of the hands of mass shooters, this remains an emotional hot-button that prevents real progress. While I'm not suggesting that we simply step around this stumbling block, I think we need to recognize that it is not the only step we need to take as a society.

Recently, while watching a pre-trial hearing for James and Jennifer Crumbley, parents of a school mass shooter, I was extremely impressed by Dr. Jillian Peterson. I am disappointed that Judge Cheryl Matthews ruled the prosection cannot use her to explain "pathways to violence," I do understand that not everyone understands the concept. Obviously, if some see no connection between the parents buying their son a gun, and overlooking his drawings that hinted at mass shooting,, there is a need for more education. Far more.

Luckily, Dr. Peterson and Dr. James Densley have authored a book, "The Violence Project," that provides an in-depth study of the factors involved in mass shootings. I immediately ordered the book, and am reading it now. It is a topic that holds great interest for me. I find that this book helps me to organize the fragments of insight I've gathered over the years, and also taught me new things. I strongly recommend this book.

I'll focus on just one of the issues now -- though I am hoping to interview the authors to share on DU. The majority of young men who engage in mass shooting usually have "leakage" at some point close to the event. They tell someone they trust, or post something on-line. If these result in an intervention, it can prevent the event from happening. If an intervention does not happen, or is mishandled, the results are tragiv. Crumbley could have been stopped. The guy from near Binghamton, NY, that did the mass shooting in Buffalo in May had an inadequate intervention less than a year before. And I am aware of a current case, being mishandled by a well known college in the northeast.

I find mass shooting disturbing, along with a heck of a lot of the social decay. I understand the guy on the boxing site wishing King were here to lead us. But I know that a significant part of both Martin and Malcolm's genius was in teaching people to act differently ..... and that if you want people to act different, you must first make them think differently. To teach them that they have more power than the system has convinced them they have. Then, when people begin to think and act differently, they make changes all around them.

Cutting down on mass shootings is something that can be done. We go in knowing that it would take a miracle to end most, if not all, mass shootings. But as Rubin said in Washinton, DC on July 4, 1976, "Miracles do happen. But they take a dog-gone lot of work.

Peace,
H2O Man

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"The Violence Project" (Original Post) H2O Man Nov 2022 OP
Wow. AbnerBunny Nov 2022 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2022 #2
BTW, congratulations on hitting 70,000 posts! tblue37 Nov 2022 #16
KnR Hekate Nov 2022 #3
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2022 #4
Last night H2O Man Nov 2022 #5
Oooh I missed that post Saoirse9 Nov 2022 #6
You pose a great question. H2O Man Nov 2022 #9
I hope you report more on this book. SYFROYH Nov 2022 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2022 #8
Another mass shooting H2O Man Nov 2022 #10
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #12
Thanks to whoever removed H2O Man Nov 2022 #13
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2022 #15
My own martial experience has definately helped to Prairie_Seagull Nov 2022 #17

AbnerBunny

(1,451 posts)
1. Wow.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:36 PM
Nov 2022

Just wow. Every time I read your writings I think they can’t get any better. Every time I’m wrong. I’ll read the book on your recommendation. Thank you 🤗

H2O Man

(73,579 posts)
2. Thank you!
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:09 AM
Nov 2022

I think it's time to change things in this country. Now, I think that both Malcolm and Martin left us detailed teachings. (I will admit that I sometimes wish Malcolm were here to debate some of the republicans. I loved his debate style.) But we can do this.

H2O Man

(73,579 posts)
5. Last night
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:14 AM
Nov 2022

on the internet site facebook, one of my relatives posted a picture of President John F. Kennedy. A human being made what he considered a funny joke about JFK's head exploding. I commented that this was offensive. He replied "it was a joke." I said it wasn't funny. He said he would take a sharpie and write it on my forehead. I welcomed him to try. He began attempted to insult me with crude, sexist jokes, and saying he wanted to fight me. My relative re-appeared, and told the idiot that he didn't want to go there, and that I was the last person he wanted to fight.

What pleased me was other people speaking up. This included a few who had relatives killed by gun violence, who told him that his "joke" was not only offensive, but hurtful. He has not responded since. One person did message me, saying the guy is "a huge Trump fan." What are the chances?

This is a day that I think about gun violence every year. What happened in Dallas in 1963 changed the course of history. Also, 44 years ago, a good friend of mine was killed. Years later, his parents donated the settlement money for me to start a program for "at risk" youth out of the county agency I worked for at the time.

Saoirse9

(3,680 posts)
6. Oooh I missed that post
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:50 AM
Nov 2022

I must find it and tell him off.

Your essay resonates for a very good reason.

I am nearly immune to the constant mass shootings now. They still hurt but when there are so many . . . It almost seems unreal. Some hit harder than others, as this one did. Because the reason behind it is a MAGA hatred of gay and trans people. Not just mindless hate of everybody.

Look at how GOP dominance has hurt this country. Mass shootings are normalized. Lying about elections is normalized. People are addicted to the Faux News fake outrage to the point that they consistently vote against their own self interest. They happily vote for politicians who will take away social security and Medicare if given the chance.

Tfg revealed to us just how many people in our country are filled with hate for people who are different from them. He didn’t cause the hate but he amplified it and emboldened the ugliness that was hiding among even our loved ones.

So. Tell me, how do we change people’s way of thinking? Give me an example?

H2O Man

(73,579 posts)
9. You pose a great question.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:06 PM
Nov 2022

Dr. King is more closely associated with middle class families, and Malcolm with the lower economic class. It is important to recognize that when they started their ministries, black Americans were marginalized in US society. I'm going to link a bit from one of Malcolm's presentations below. Both Martin and Malcolm were good at instilling a sense of pride and dignity in their followers. That is important. It helps people realize that they are not powerless. This goes to something I've talked about numerous times on this forum -- an internal or external locus of control. When people are aware that they have value, that they do have power -- especially when united -- they begin to take meaningful actions.

SYFROYH

(34,182 posts)
7. I hope you report more on this book.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:08 PM
Nov 2022

Maybe do an OP with a summary and your reflections on each chapter for those us who probably won't get a chance to read it,

I'd happily read your posts about it.

H2O Man

(73,579 posts)
8. Thank you!
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:57 PM
Nov 2022

I will do that.

I've been contacting people I know who are connected to public schools and colleges to recommend the book. A few are buying it, a couple will borrow my copy when I'm done, and others want me to tell them more about it as I read it.

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H2O Man

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13. Thanks to whoever removed
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:28 PM
Nov 2022

the attack of the russian-bots that attacked in the middle of the night. Two of them! I feel honored!

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,462 posts)
14. Thank you for posting this
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 02:55 PM
Nov 2022

I missed it earlier. Hate is indeed a learned response and the number of mass shootings must be reduced.

Prairie_Seagull

(3,334 posts)
17. My own martial experience has definately helped to
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 03:44 PM
Nov 2022

moderate anger/hostility, beginning at the age of, 14. Through many years of training I learned other ways of channeling this negative energy. I can only imagine how my life would have turned out otherwise.

Your use of boxing to help make clearer, much broader topics to me is a stoke of genius. Furthermore being punched or kicked in the head has a way of focusing attention of what really matters. haha

Thanks for what you do.

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