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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe guilty verdicts: The noose tightens around the necks of all the traitors.
Soon members of the Proud Boys go on trial for sedition. What are they thinking today? They now know they could be convicted for seditious conspiracy. Spend decades in prison. They may now want to plead guilty and cooperate with the DOJ in order to get a lighter sentence. The Proud Boys were at the Willard Hotel. They were hanging out with Stone and Flynn. They could have information the DOJ could use against the planners of the coup.
Everyone at the Willard Hotel was put on notice yesterday. They were the leaders of the conspiracy. The conviction of Elmer Rhodes proves you did not have to be at the Capital in order to be convicted for seditious conspiracy and other charges.
Mark Meadows, who has no spine, was put on notice yesterday. Not only was Meadows involved in everything, he has now been ordered to testify in the Georgia investigation. He could face both State and Federal charges in Georgia. From day one I have believed Meadows would turn if he was facing prison time. Time will tell if I am right.
Stephen Miller testified in front of the J6 Grand Jury. The noose tightens on Trumps inner circle. All of Trumps corrupt lawyers were put on notice yesterday. Eastman, Rudy, Boris, Powell, etc, were all part of the conspiracy.
The guilty verdicts yesterday has set off a snowball effect. A snowball that rolls uphill towards Trump and the planners of the attempted coup. That's how conspiracy investigations are done. You start at the bottom and get people to turn.
Today all the traitors are shitting their pants. Soon it may be every traitor for himself.
BumRushDaShow
(129,806 posts)From here (select December on the calendar) - https://www.dcbar.org/attorney-discipline/board-on-professional-responsibility/hearing-and-oral-argument-schedule
Mon 12/5/2022, 9:00 AM to Fri 12/9/2022, 5:00 PM
Zoom Hearing - In re Rudolph Giuliani, DN. 22-BD-027, at 9 a.m.
Mon 12/12/2022, 9:00 AM to Fri 12/16/2022, 5:00 PM
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)gab13by13
(21,473 posts)who is not an institutionalist. Yesterday he subpoenaed Trump's speech writer, Steven Miller, before the grand jury.
Garland's DOJ prosecutors also did a fantastic job getting 2 seditious conspiracy convictions yesterday, it is extremely hard to get those convictions. IMO, DOJ should not pursue seditious conspiracy charges against Trump, there are plenty more easier crimes to charge.
The argument that the wait and see crowd uses over and over again is we don't know what DOJ is doing behind the scenes. What was a big tell for me was how surprised DOJ was at Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony before the 1/6 committee. The J6 committee was way ahead of DOJ in investigating Trump's inner circle.
The subpoena of Miller was the 1st person from Trump's inner circle to be subpoenaed.
You also fail to take into account time. E. Jeanne Carroll filed her civil law suit against Trump in 2019, it is scheduled to go to trial in April. When do you suppose a Trump trial will be scheduled? We better win the presidency in 2024 to cover us for 2028.
By the bye, I like Eeyore, what do you have against donkeys?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)Subpoena comes some weeks before testimony. Miller testified.
gab13by13
(21,473 posts)The new guy means business. The first person close to Trump, his speech writer, was summoned before a grand jury yesterday,
He most likely will plead the 5th, but there are now signs that the special counsel is going after the Trump inner circle.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)What happened at the Willard must be a major focus of the investigations. It was the coup headquarters.
gab13by13
(21,473 posts)to go after Mark Meadows. Meadows was the guy who kept Trump's hands clean. An institutionalist is someone who has high regard for the sanctity of conversations between a president and his Chief of Staff.
The people involved in the coup used burner phones with encryption. Jack Smith is going to have to put pressure on Mark Meadows, he is the key. Sad to say but Smith may have to grant immunity to Meadows to get to Trump. What Fani Willis has done in Georgia is phenomenal, she set the stage for Meadows and I assume she must be working closely with Jack Smith to set the best course of action for Meadows. I am pretty certain Meadows will plead the 5th in Fulton County because he is in legal jeopardy.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)We ignored the treason of the Civil war and that was a big mistake. The south still celebrates their treason.
I feel confident the DOJ will not allow this treason to go unanswered.
gab13by13
(21,473 posts)Seditious conspiracy is very difficult to prove.
Trump is 76 years old, he can be given a life sentence by charging him with, impeding an official act of Congress, obstruction of justice, violation of the Espionage Act, and others.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I will leave that to the DOJ to figure out.
gab13by13
(21,473 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)gab13by13
(21,473 posts)Nov. 16th Trump announces he is a candidate for president.
Nov. 18th Merrick Garland appoints Jack Smith as special counsel.
It was on Nov. 16th that Garland finally made up his mind to go after Trump, or maybe just coincidence? Just my stupid opinion.
Johnny2X2X
(19,240 posts)Garland appointed Smith because Trump was running, and he needed to ensure there was no appearance of political prosecution after that. Garland said as much. Prosecuting a regular citizen vs prosecuting a candidate for President takes different things.
gab13by13
(21,473 posts)The MSM, which is right wing, has plastered the air waves with the argument of DOJ being partisan.
Who on God's green earth is more non-partisan than Merrick Garland? I will put Garland up against Smith or anyone else you can think of.
What is different is that Jack Smith isn't an institutionalist and that's what scares Trump and his traitorous friends.
Johnny2X2X
(19,240 posts)He's been appointed by Trump's 2024 opponent. Garland appointing Smith was the correct thing to do.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)Things take time, easy for impatient people to overlook.
Smith had an ongoing active job that would have had to be wound down, not take on other prosecutions, etc.
You don't in two days find a warm body and shove them into a high profile position.
I think Garland made up his mind before the 60 period, say August, contacted Smith September, negotiated details October, and paused in November. Wasn't going to announce the day after election. Waited a week for dust to settle.