Some people, news media, are worried about the fallout from a Trump indictment.

[fightforfreedom]

Trump voters may become violent. It will divide the country further, It will look political, etc. No one seems to talk about the fallout from no indictment of Trump. I believe it would be much worse.

[Easterncedar]

1. I agree

[gab13by13]

2. Fuck the Magats

What will be worse is not indicting. Now they are going after our infrastructure. What could be worse than thousands attacking our Capitol?

[True Blue American]

6. The same to the news media!

Jake Tapper had the nerve to ask Sherrod Brown that voters blame Democrats for not passing the 7 day sick leave. Sherrod corrected him. One Democrat voted against that. 53 voted yes. Who was the low life Democrat?wouldn’t you know? Joe Manchin
N!

[PatSeg]

20. The media gets paid to talk

and they just keep talking even when there is nothing to say. A good deal of what they say really doesn't mean anything. Lots of filler to take up time.

Joe Manchin? What a predictable jerk.

[Kaleva]

3. I don't think there'll be much of a fallout either way

The percentage of Americans who have invested a lot of emotion into this is small.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. I agree. One advantage of the slow seeming pace of investigations and cases is draining the emotions

Magats have had two years to calm down and to diversify their emotions and attachments to tRump. There are other RepubliQons they are interested in, like DeSantis. The affection for tRump is strong, but they are more interested in "maga" and decreasingly invested in tRump.

As the months go by, the emotion behind attempting to overthrow 2020 is much lower than Jan 2021.

[gab13by13]

39. The insurrection is growing, not slowing.

The Magats won the House because of gerrymandering. The Supreme Court is about to render a decision that will allow Magat controlled states to keep control of power. Senate Democrats are very vulnerable in 2024.

I live among the Magats, I see no indication that they are calmed down.

Donald Trump needs to be indicted soon.

Donald Trump will chew up Ron DeSantis and spit him out in little pieces.

Our democratic form of government is in more danger now than it was on 1/6 2021.

Just look what Georgia did to suppress the vote. It made it very hard to vote by mail, it made it so hard that absentee voting is down 80% for the run off.

Fascism is alive and well in America, or am I supposed to say, the Homeland? Fatherland?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. The tRumpiest magat site, FreeRepublic, is now split

In 2016-2020 they purged anybody who expressed any negativism toward tRump.

In 2022, about a third of the posters are done with tRump (though they love the memory of 2016 through 2019) and more than half are critical of various things he does these days, even as more than half would vote for tRump in any primary or election. Rolling out the vaccine mandates and taking credit for "warp speed" was the breaking point for most of them.

On that prominent site, at least, magats are cooling off.

[Kaleva]

59. Support for TFG at Free Republic is declining

That's what I see when I go very there to lurk

[wnylib]

52. I agree. MAGAs have not slowed down.

We definitely need to to indict Trump and convict him.

But it would be foolish to think that there would be no fallout. We need to be prepared for dealing with the fallout.

Yes, We are in much more danger now than on J6. Between the House, the SC, and Trump, the fascists will be stirred up to rally behind him. When they can't win at the polls or in court, they turn to violence.

We can't back down because of the danger from the fascists. But we have to be prepared.




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[Kaleva]

57. The predicted Red Wave turned out to be a ripple

Republicans barely got a majority in the House, failed to take the Senate, and had losses at the state level. Furthermore, a number
of Trump endorsed high profile candidates were defeated. A number of Trump nominated judges have ruled against him, including the justices on the Supreme Court.

Ron DeSantis is making gains in the polls against Trump. When Trump put out on Truth Social for his followers to go to Detroit to protest the alleged fraud going on there in the recent election, barely anyone showed up.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. So? He's either been running fir office or in office for 8 years.

and hasn't bee indicted yet, so what changes if his luck doesn't?

As much as I would love to see him spend the rest of his golden years in stir, the thought of what he would do with a civil war over it is a fair subject for talk.

I just hope he fades away qithout a war

[patricia92243]

5. Nothing will happen on either side. They expected a big hoopla for the elections

and it went fine except for a very few RWNJ. Sentences being given for the Jan 6 insurrection has made an impact on their willingness to do much in the way of violence or to sacrifice themselves for Trump.

Trump has lost a lot of his support and will lose even more if he has to serve any punishment.

[NQAS]

7. Don't care

Arrest them. Try them. Convict them. Send them to jail. It’s really quite simple. Ask the Jan 6 coup participants. FAFO.

They’re not special. They’re thugs. They’re criminals. Apart from authorities being prepared, I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

[DeeDeeNY]

16. + 1000

Exactly what you said.

[machoneman]

33. Yep, arrest, indict, find guilty, jail or the noose for them!

[MissMillie]

8. I guess no one thinks Democrats are violent enough...

...to take up arms if there isn't an indictment.

I'm glad that's the way we're seen.

[Lovie777]

9. They are violent anyways .....

Indict the motherf***ker.

[gab13by13]

10. I agree,

Yesterday Nicolle Wallace was talking about the attack on the 2 electrical sub-stations. Frank Figliusi said, in his opinion, it could have been done by right wing fascist Magats. He suggested that is how the civil war will be fought. The Magats are well armed and are survivalists who feel they are better equipped to deal with loss of infrastructure. Their civil war plan is not to openly attack the government but to create chaos. Figliusi is worried that this is the beginning of that plan.

I don't know what it takes to designate a group a domestic terrorist group, but these fake militias, the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, need that designation.

[AverageOldGuy]

38. I had a discussion with a MAGAT . . .

. . . didn't end well for him.

He said exactly what you said in your post -- he told me he and his "buddies" didn't care if the infrastructure collapsed because they could "live off the land". He then proceeded to quote the lyrics from the ridiculous Hank Williams, Jr., country song "A Country Boy Can Survive."

I pointed out to him the fallacy of his living off the land nonsense starting with the fuel needed for his big-ass 4-wheel-drive truck.

[Ford_Prefect]

51. I live among the Jihad-Cowboys who spout the same sick fantasies of a false "independence".

Most of them drive trucks that could easily house a family of 4, at 12 mpg. The last rise in fuel prices had them blaming Biden rather than the oil companies.

These modern day Paul Bunyans forget that the tires which keep them moving cost well over $200 a corner. But then they've got many times that and more invested in their personalized weapons.

They don't see how much debt they're carrying to support the lifestyle and their free-dumb "religion".

Didn't someone once say that Denial is not a river in Egypt?

[wnylib]

64. I have wondered if the meeting with

Trump, Fuentes, and Kanye involved plans for how to disrupt the country and createchaos when Trump is indicted. Rachel mentioned MAGA actions in other places over the weekend besides the electrical grid attack in NC. Was it planned and coordinated as a practice run?

Those 3 fascists met at the MAL dinner for a reason. What was the reason? We know know after J6 that Trump meets with people to plan his violent chaos.

[marble falls]

11. The only good side to the number of prisons the RW has foisted on us: we'll have a place ...

... to put them when their "grief" takes them over the line.

It's the extortion aspect of tantrum politics. "Give me what I want, or I will make a mess."

[ashredux]

12. Go with justice. Clean up the mess afterwards.

[Hotler]

45. +1. Justice is needed here to set a precedent for future fascist. nt

[nuxvomica]

13. Impunity is a major part of his cachet

If he is finally made to answer for his actions, support for him will drop by half or more. In the dreamlike world of the MAGAt, his record of impunity is the key thing that makes him special, almost messianic. It is also why his more violent supporters think they can get away with anything, as their identity is so tied to his that they feel they have the same impunity. Remove that, and they will think about consequences, maybe even think twice.

[pagarr1957]

14. I agree with Mary Trump...

...who said that what most worried her about an indictment of Donald Trump was, that the country may run out of beer.

[Ligyron]

27. HA! Or champagne?

I've had a bottle chilling since they seized classified docs at Mar a lago.

[radical noodle]

32. I'm going straight to champagne!

Welcome to DU!

[machoneman]

34. or popcorn!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Tough. Do what needs to be done (indict) and clean up the mess afterwards

If his goons kill hundreds of people, that pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands killed by tRump's pandemic response.

It would pale in comparison to the hordes of people who would be killed by a follow-on fascist (tRump or other), if they take over because of a weak fearful response to high crimes and felonies.

[gab13by13]

41. It will not be that kind of civil war.

It will be a war to create chaos, just like the recent attack on the 2 N. Carolina electrical sub-stations.

The Magats aren't going to do what the British did in the Revolutionary war.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. Exactly. Hundreds may die, not hundreds of thousands as in 1861-65

I weigh the hundreds (my upper estimate) against the hundreds of thousands that would die over a few decades as the result of a fascist takeover by tRump or DeSantis or Pompeo or Puppet Pence.

[gab13by13]

49. I agree with that.

The problem with slowing down the move to fascism will be the Supreme Court. If the court rules for the absolute authority of states to run their elections that will mean continuous control of Congress by the Magats. Magats control 27 state Houses.

[Johnny2X2X]

18. Champagne

A real concern is the hit the country's champagne supply could take from all of the celebrations. Really hope the nation's alcohol distribution networks are stocking up.

[elias7]

19. They'll just further reveal who they are

[gopiscrap]

21. totally agree indict trump

[Ohioboy]

22. Trump voters got violent over him losing an election

Does that mean the next election should automatically be declared for the person with the mob most likely to riot?

America will lose one of its main principles, the rule of law, if Trump is allowed to get away with what he's done.

[Richard D]

23. It might..

.. So let us cower in fear and acquiesce to the criminal evil he defeated onto our country and all things decent.

[Lochloosa]

24. I really don't care what the implications of indicting.

"If" he broke the law, he needs to be charged, arrested and put on trail.

That is our system, and if that goes away we are done as a country.

[bringthePaine]

25. bullshit - NO MERCY WHATSOEVER ACROSS THE BOARD OR THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE FINAL

[dalton99a]

26. Fuck their feelings.

Just do the right thing

[Botany]

28. Bring it on .... I'm sick of those assholes .... America will be in greator danger if let that ...

..... Russian installed traitor walk.


I'm sick of these domestic terrorists .... we had them in my neighborhood on Sunday.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217433653

[TNNurse]

29. Many Trump voters ARE ALREADY VIOLENT.

[sanatanadharma]

30. Those who would give up justice to avoid violence ...

... will not gain security and will lose justice.

... are already unjustly controlled by that violence.

[ananda]

31. Worried about something they're completely complicit in causing.

Right.

[AverageOldGuy]

35. So . . .

. . .are "they" saying Trump should not be indicted?

If DOJ gives in to threats or possibility of violence, we just as well tear up our laws, dismiss our police forces, and everyone retreat to his/her individual armed camp.

Indict him and find him guilty of the crimes has has committed recently (theft of classified documents, violation of Presidential Records Act, inciting insurrection, planning and abetting a coup) as well as the crimes he has been committing for years (bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud).

Let the chips fall where they may.

The Jan 6 thugs wanted violence. They got it and now they are getting jail sentences. That's the way it works.

[onetexan]

36. When hasn't it been violent when it comes to the Con & his racist lot

Bring it on, and bring out the National Guards to quell the violence. We cannot have a president, or any elected politician, get away with such heinous crimes without consequence. It will make jan6 a trial run for future insurrections and coups.

[randr]

37. And what, we are supposed to not enforce laws because some will have their panties up their crack?

Fuck em, arrest any who break the law and throw em in jail.
Enough is Enough!

[allegorical oracle]

40. My chief gripe is it seems a lose-lose. Indicted, he's a martyr; not indicted, he's a rolling

explosive. Either way his low IQ goons become furious avengers.

[BWdem4life]

63. Fortunately there's an expiration date on him.

The sooner he expires, the better.

[dchill]

42. Chips will fall. They always do.

No one should consider not indicting because of that. This has already taken too long.

[twodogsbarking]

44. Stupidity on levels never reached before. Media.

[marmar]

46. They've already stormed the Capitol, attempted to overthrow the government....

.... engaged in mass shootings, attempted to kidnap the governor of Michigan, participated in numerous acts of domestic terrorism etc.

I'd say they're already quite violent. We can handle it.

[NNadir]

47. The news media weren't worried about turning the country over to an ignorant psychopath.

We need to fight terrorism by arresting and imprisoning the terrorists, including the terrorist-in-chief.

[doc03]

50. I agree nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. Well both will likely happen. If he does get indicted it will

Likely only be for one or two crimes. He's committed dozens.

Only way to mitigate is to somehow get supporters to "get" that he even has committed a crime. It doesn't feel like anyone's been able to achieve success in doing that. I mean the last time I looked his approval had gone up since January 6th?

[Hope22]

54. The Trumpsters are just itching to f$#@ us up!

They will do it if he is indicted. If he’s not indicted they will do it! Why? Because they know that this is a lawless country. The consequences will be long in coming, if any. Sick folks wanting to mess people up! This is what we get for years of endless war. Sending our military to far off places to practice what some now intend to do now, at home. For those that weren’t in the military they have been exposed for a lifetime of warring and racist uprising fed right here in the USA. The American Taliban coming to a neighborhood near us.

To be clear I have supported the troops since 1971, from POW/ Mia bracelets in junior high to trips to DC to Stop The Surge. Marching, letter writing, calls and weekly protests until the threat of violence on the street pushed me back. So, I know and care that all military and all law enforcement are not involved. But for many the damage has been done. We are our own worst enemy. We are a boiling caldron. Send the orange monster to jail. At least we will have followed what the law requires.

[Septua]

55. "If you have the facts on your side, hammer the facts...

..If you have the law on your side, hammer the law. If you have neither the facts nor the law, hammer the table.”

Seems to me, DOJ has the facts and the law. All Trump has is the table and a minority segment of the population and a large but minority segment of the DC GOP politicians who are already claiming it's political and weaponization of DOJ while neither assertion is true. The minority segment of the population is demanding majority rule and the GOP politicians just want to be in control.

Truth be known, the political segment would have been pleased if Pence had refused to certify the election and Trump ended up in the White House for a second term by the State count. McConnell and McCarthy would have said it wasn't democracy in action but it was "those other guys who did it, not me. We just followed the rules as set forth in the Constitution."

If Trump and his accomplices aren't indicted, the result will be a clear message the Constitution and the Law are meaningless. The consequences of that far out weigh any fall-out from indictment. And, without convictions, we won't be much better off.

[Delmette2.0]

56. When TFG is found guilty of anything

Take him to jail pending sentencing. Do not give him months to rile up his followers. Do not let him have time to "get his affairs" in order. When the prison sentence is given, again do not allow him any media time. He can speak through his attorneys.

[Baltimike]

58. Funny how they weren't worried when they were screaming "Lock Her Up"

so they can shove the fear mongering bullshit. No man is above the law

[jerseyjim]

60. Indict the bastard!

[Mr. Sparkle]

61. I say lets embrace it

It is a good opportunity to arrest and jail a lot more dirt bags

[Xoan]

62. Let it rain.

[Skittles]

65. SO BE IT

IS DONALD FUCKING TRUMP ABOVE THE LAW OR IS HE NOT

THAT IS THE ONLY CONCERN