A loser tonight no one is mentioning

[Stinky The Clown]

Joe Manchin has lost his outsized ability to hold sway in the Senate. He now goes back to being one of 51.

[spooky3]

1. Wish I could agree, but Sinema's presence complicates things. If the two

Work together, they can still mess things up. However, Manchin has shown his willingness to break with her in the past.

[AbnerBunny]

2. Unless he switches parties...

😕

[vercetti2021]

3. He won't

She though would because shes more vile

[Yavin4]

10. She should see how her party did in her state this year.

And think twice about pissing them off even further.

[former9thward]

26. The party did not do that well.

There were 7 state wide positions for state government and the GOP won 5 of them. The two they lost were Trump endorsed candidates. The five who won were normal Republicans. In addition the Republicans won 6 out of the 9 U.S. House seats. Before the election Democrats had a majority.

[Celerity]

31. The GOP lost the biggest 4 statewide races, Gov, SoS, AG (likely), and US Senate

Every loser was a Trumper MAGAt.

For State Treasurer, the non Trumper Rethug Yee easily won, which was not a shock, and we did not even field a candidate for Mine Inspector.

The one loss we had that really stung and was also actually surprising was Superintendent of Public Instruction, where incumbent Hoffman narrowly lost to a non Trumper Rethug.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/philboas/2022/11/18/kathy-hoffman-loss-tom-horne-warning-for-democrats/69660874007/

[former9thward]

41. Republicans won the two corporation commissions positions.

That is always considered a test of party strength in AZ since most people don't know or care about the position. With normal Republicans the party is very strong in AZ and I am sure Sinema knows that. Which is why I replied to the poster who said the Rs did so poorly. The Rs will probably have Ducey running for Senate in 24 and he is not Trump endorsed and will probably win.

[Celerity]

42. Gallego has a far better chance at beating Ducey that Sinema does, IF Ducey runs. The 2024 Senate

map is absolutely brutal for us.

The Rethugs only have 10 TOTAL seats up, all in deep Red States, Scott in FL is the only one where we even have a remote shit, and I do not see that ending well for us.

We have to defend as many as 15 seats that potentially are in danger. Some would take very specific, and most also unlikely scenarios to put them into some sort of play, like VT, MA, and MD having very popular Rethug governors run in them (Scott, Baker, Hogan, and Sanders retiring on top of it for VT), but even if the most extreme do not come into play, we still will have many others in some sort of danger, some in REAL danger (WV, AZ, MT, WI, OH, NV) and others at least not true locks,(PA, MI, VA), especially IF the Rethugs run 'normal', NON MAGAt candidates.

[W_HAMILTON]

22. Sinema will most likely lose in a Democratic primary, though.

As would Manchin, in a Republican primary if he ran as a Republican.

Unless they plan to abandon their Senate jobs altogether -- which, actually, I could see both doing -- both are pretty much stuck in place.

I worry more about them both becoming some sort of duo whereby if one refuses to vote for something, the other does as well, basically maintaining their oversized influence in our caucus. While there were votes where they both voted with Republicans (or refused to vote with Democrats), there were often votes where the two split (e.g., Sinema voted with Democrats while Manchin did not, and vice versa). If they join up as sort of a two-person coalition where they agree to consult with each other and always vote the same way, we'd still be stuck with our Manchin/Sinema problem.

[Justice]

39. Current WV governor considering running for Manchin's seat

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3747895-w-va-governor-eyeing-manchin-challenge/

If Manchin wants a chance to be reelected, may continue being thorn in Dem's side.

[Celerity]

43. Manchin may run for Governor if that happens, he always has said he was far happier as Governor

IF Justice runs versus Manchin for Senate, Manchin is toast. I have said that since Manchin won in 2018, and now Justice has outflanked Manchin on BOTH the left and the right.

on edit, I just noticed your screen name, lolololol

[patricia92243]

30. Can they legally do that?

[BWdem4life]

36. Well, Jim Jeffords did it.

Jeffords served in the Senate from 1989 until 2007, winning reelection in 1994 and 2000. In 2001, he left the Republican Party to become an independent, and began to caucus with the Senate's Democrats. His switch changed control of the Senate from Republican to Democratic, the first time a switch had ever changed party control. During his Senate career, Jeffords served as chairman of the Public Works and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committees.

[Celerity]

44. of course, as there is nothing in the Constitution forbidding it, parties are not mentioned

[H2O Man]

4. Recommended.

[sarcasmo]

5. Manchin was already willing to barter with Social Security. 51/49 is Huge, great night.

[lindysalsagal]

6. He'll find a way.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. Careful!

The OP ran pretty close to the line. Yours is waaaaaaay closer, if not over, said line.

[tritsofme]

9. Manchin lost his power when the GOP won the House.

With reconciliation off the table, he wouldn’t have been any more powerful in a 50-50 Senate next term.

The real benefit is in committee organization, and a bigger cushion to move nominees.

[relayerbob]

14. Very true

[rubbersole]

16. Yep.

[calimary]

24. Well, if THAT'S what we have, then let's WORK IT!!

[Meowmee]

11. I mentioned it on another post

But I was not sure if Walker will cancel out both m and s?

[Tribetime]

12. Too bad it wasn't while we controlled the House

[Cha]

13. Someone did mention it on

another thread.. & I asked what about the other one?

It's really good news on so many levels!!💙

[SunSeeker]

15. Nah, he still has sway. Trump is the big loser tonight. And Mitch. nt

[rubbersole]

17. Bummer.

tfg had a shitty day.

[SunSeeker]

18. A shitty day for tfg is a great day for America.

[rubbersole]

20. There are going to be a bunch more for the pos.

[SCantiGOP]

19. The person we owe a debt to:

Donald Trump.
He personally picked Oz and Walker and Masters and a few others, all in states they could have won. I think Trump may deserve credit for giving the Democrats the Senate.

[rubbersole]

21. Let's throw the loser a party.

On Riker's Island.

[SCantiGOP]

23. Or re-open Alcatraz

[usonian]

27. Got a preview of this in 2018.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-origin-story-of-the-giant-trump-chicken-that-descended-on-alcatraz. (2018)

At about noon in San Francisco on Saturday, a team of six protesters pushed off of Fisherman’s Wharf in a boat with a 33-foot inflatable chicken that resembled President Donald Trump fastened to it. The chicken was outfitted in giant prison fatigues—and as they headed toward Alcatraz, a banner on the side of the boat that read “Transporting Prisoner 00045” was unfurled.

[Haggard Celine]

29. You've got to love San Francisco!

[LisaM]

28. I have more problems with Synema than Manchin.

Like it or not, Manchin represents his constituents. Synema does not, and she presented differently as a candidate than as an elected official.

[Celerity]

32. If you mean Big Fossil Fuel, Big Health & Pharma, and other corporate and billionaire interests,

then yes, he usually supports his 'constituents '.

But Manchin often was against things that even in Trump-sucking WV, the majority of state was for. Minimum wage increase to at least 15 usd, for instance, or aid for taking care of ageing parents or in-need children.

[LisaM]

37. I don't agree with many of his votes.

I only meant that I think the West Virginia voters knew what they were getting, and I don't think the Arizona voters did.

[Celerity]

38. fair enough, and another difference is that it is pointless to primary Manchin, no other Dem can win

[LisaM]

40. Exactly! Arizona, on the other hand...

can send Synema packing. She can curtsey on her way out.

[Kennah]

33. Manchild and Cinnabon will caucus together

[ZonkerHarris]

34. Manchin has to run for re-election in 2024 and now he gets some room to maneuver

We need him to win if we want to hold the Senate long term

[BlueCheeseAgain]

35. I'm sure Manchin is happy that the Democratic majority is larger tonight.

And I'm guessing he didn't want Walker as a senator, either.