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Pretty disgusted with all the god stuff in Warnock's speech (nt) (Original Post) NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 OP
Too bad. Cha Dec 2022 #1
Bwah! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #78
Yes. It's that "Democrats can be too big of a tent" thing. betsuni Dec 2022 #142
As an athiest, I'll take talk about God over talk about vampires and werewolves any day! Towlie Dec 2022 #220
lol... well there ya go! Cha Dec 2022 #221
He's the pastor of Martin Luther King's church relayerbob Dec 2022 #2
Yeah get over it. What matters is, does he practice what he preaches. vlyons Dec 2022 #41
Yes! MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #61
Oh, I'd forgotten he's Pastor of MLK's church! Wow, righteous! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #81
He's a pastor. What did you expect? Ocelot II Dec 2022 #3
Agree totally! He uses his Christianity the way it should be...loving all hating none PortTack Dec 2022 #137
He's a minister. MiniMe Dec 2022 #4
And he expressed love for his mother too. How outrageous. grantcart Dec 2022 #5
Beyond outrageous! H2O Man Dec 2022 #76
you have such a dry sense of humor CatWoman Dec 2022 #164
The frikkin' fact that she was picking cotton way back, and now her son has achieved a full Senate.. electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #83
He is a preacher Botany Dec 2022 #6
He's a preacher... Wednesdays Dec 2022 #7
Meh...he's a preacher... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #8
Why? He is a preacher. Claustrum Dec 2022 #9
👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #86
He's the pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church (MLK's own church) hlthe2b Dec 2022 #10
OP sounds SO negative and not what the USA is all about. I wish this thread had not been posted Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #47
Why? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #163
+1 Arazi Dec 2022 #166
True, but that does not prohibit individuals who are in government from being religious. Caliman73 Dec 2022 #195
Fully understand that. The issue for me is that it is exculsionary. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #197
I feel no exclusion. He is talking about his personal beliefs, which are shared by many. Caliman73 Dec 2022 #205
It's not that I don't have use for it; it's that it doesn't belong in our government. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #206
And our secular government allows freedom of speech even for lawmakers ripcord Dec 2022 #242
I agree.. it is a form of bigotry. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #199
John Lewis was a member of that church LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #128
Why? He's a pastor. GP6971 Dec 2022 #11
What's wrong with you? qazplm135 Dec 2022 #12
He's a preacher. Sogo Dec 2022 #13
That's just who he is. ananda Dec 2022 #14
You don't know anything about Sen Warnock, do you? SYFROYH Dec 2022 #15
👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #92
Kudos to you..setting a high standard! PortTack Dec 2022 #138
That's odd since everyone knows he is a preacher. blm Dec 2022 #16
Yes I do NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #23
It's who he is, so it's not faked like those blm Dec 2022 #53
Ty electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #95
Right. H2O Man Dec 2022 #80
I don't think railing against it helps Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #146
You do understand that religion informs people's worldview right? Caliman73 Dec 2022 #196
thank you Skittles Dec 2022 #228
He's not forcing his beliefs on anyone but he has a right ecstatic Dec 2022 #17
THIS!! Samrob Dec 2022 #56
You couldn't give us one whole night to be happy Glorfindel Dec 2022 #18
He has his god, I have none, just a choice Lemonwurst Dec 2022 #19
And Senator/Reverend Warnock is not insisting his god must be yours, Ocelot II Dec 2022 #28
That's all you got? ornotna Dec 2022 #20
Would you have prefered Walker? Polybius Dec 2022 #21
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #26
So is that a yes? Polybius Dec 2022 #33
Lol Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #108
I was disgusted at the phony God stuff that Trump tried to sell. tavernier Dec 2022 #22
I know it is NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #29
If you know Warnock is genuine in his faith, why call him out? MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #54
Why bring that supernatural b.s. into a secular process? Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #109
Because everyone is free to thank god Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #147
Why not for once have someone represent what Christianity is SUPPOSED to be? AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #157
Thank you! JanLip Dec 2022 #182
Ummm, because it's a free country? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #174
He's also free to not say it in a political context. He can save it for his parishoners. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #184
Preach it! inthewind21 Dec 2022 #185
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #225
He made the choice that is his choice to make. Caliman73 Dec 2022 #204
Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #224
go to bed chillfactor Dec 2022 #24
I get as annoyed with people's reverence to magical creatures as anyone Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #25
This thread equals dumb thread. MontanaFarmer Dec 2022 #27
Of course I supported him, and I do know his excellent voting record NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #32
Right jcgoldie Dec 2022 #46
ok, you have a different agenda Shellback Squid Dec 2022 #30
What is wrong with you?? He's a pastor!! Pisces Dec 2022 #31
Pretty disgusted that you're putting up an intentionally divisive post Sogo Dec 2022 #34
As a Jew, I really admire Senator Warren LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #131
This! AKwannabe Dec 2022 #134
He's also lifted up multiple Jewish people in the speech Clash City Rocker Dec 2022 #35
Not inclusive of atheists. NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #40
Okay, so you just wanted him to lose Clash City Rocker Dec 2022 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Dec 2022 #123
Do you even know who Viola Liuzzo & Chaney, Schwerner & Goodman were? They were murdered... Hekate Dec 2022 #139
Thank you for this background Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #148
You are more than welcome Hekate Dec 2022 #227
As an atheist personally, I'm loving this speech. Grown2Hate Dec 2022 #36
Great speech in general, but, yeah, I'm beyond sick of Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #37
Yes. Thank you. NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #38
IMO, there's no need to bring supernatural nonsense into Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #49
Well, you know the old saying, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #175
*sigh* Please don't. nolabear Dec 2022 #39
There are Christian Democrats. I'm one! MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #42
i am too ... Rev Warnock is wonderful Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #51
He is! So are many of our Dems! We all love Pelosi, MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #58
Totally agree! JanLip Dec 2022 #183
Elect a pastor, you get a sermon. Stinky The Clown Dec 2022 #43
This atheist loves Warnock. Pinback Dec 2022 #44
Fully agree with your last sentence. wnylib Dec 2022 #125
JESUS aquaman Dec 2022 #45
He's a preacher, isn't he ??? DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #48
We could use a few more religious guys like Warnock in the Senate. GoodRaisin Dec 2022 #50
I finally found the link... blame me DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #55
I do also. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #200
Well I consider myself a Christian progressive mvd Dec 2022 #57
It wasn't. It was just a good man's acceptance speech. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #60
Agreed mvd Dec 2022 #62
There was absolutely nothing threatening in Reverend Warnock speech. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #64
I don't see it as derogatory. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #71
I'm sure you feel better now, go in peace. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #84
I don't, but peace be unto you too. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #87
I'm sorry, vetting is often cleansing. I thank you for wishing me also peace. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #99
So inthewind21 Dec 2022 #189
Agreed relayerbob Dec 2022 #91
+1, uponit7771 Dec 2022 #172
While I'd rather see politics more secular as an atheist, since Warnock has no agenda... Silent3 Dec 2022 #59
I'm an atheist, Lefta Dissenter Dec 2022 #63
Ty 👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #103
Some people will try to kill the joy in every moment marmar Dec 2022 #65
It's not a killjoy. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #68
And nothing he said indicates he's forcing religion on anybody.... marmar Dec 2022 #72
Not at all. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #77
Unless you're a Georgia voter you're not "hiring" him for anything marmar Dec 2022 #90
Do the things he votes on apply only to Georgia voters? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #96
Agreed. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #66
Some people insist on pissing inside our big tent. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #67
And some would like to throw out all who don't see things their way. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #69
Is that a confession? Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #70
Not at all. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #73
There is no "religious test" here. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #79
You're wrong. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #82
LOL. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #89
No, I clearly am the one who does understand that. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #98
You don't understand that someone speaking about their faith isn't a "religious test." Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #100
What does anyone's "faith" have to do with their qualifications for a job? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #104
Changing the goalposts now that your argument about the Constitution crapped out? Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #105
I changed nothing, but of course you know that. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #107
Denialism is strong with you. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #112
Okay, allow me H2O Man Dec 2022 #121
Love you man! Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #122
He's no being "evangelical" he's not forcing you to believe electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #106
Do you know why that article says wnylib Dec 2022 #126
I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Constitution LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #129
No, you very clearly don't. Jedi Guy Dec 2022 #168
Are you saying that no politician can mention "God" in their speech? Polybius Dec 2022 #194
And just who is trying to throw anyone out of our big tent? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #179
Gosh. H2O Man Dec 2022 #74
Uhhhh... He's a Reverand... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #75
Is the job of Senator FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #85
The speech H2O Man Dec 2022 #88
Is he not a Senator now? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #94
Perhaps you are unaware, H2O Man Dec 2022 #114
Some advice inthewind21 Dec 2022 #193
This is his victory speech. Doesn't mean he's going to spend most or anytime "sermonizing" in The .. electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #113
It appears that H2O Man Dec 2022 #116
Got it. 👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #118
I Think RobinA Dec 2022 #247
Exactly. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #192
One person's "nonesense"... old as dirt Dec 2022 #210
Amen.... aquaman Dec 2022 #93
👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #111
Biden often references God in his speeches sarisataka Dec 2022 #97
Personally, I wish he wouldn't. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #187
Well it Is a free country. Nothing wrong with having faith. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #201
"Faith" has done untold harm to this nation and to the planet. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #202
Let's play shoe on the other foot, out of curiosity GusBob Dec 2022 #101
You know it. This is a pretty epic swarm we got going here in response Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #212
if i recall correctly, it was complete shoe on the other foot GusBob Dec 2022 #213
Personally, I have no problem with Warnock referring to god. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #214
Agreed GusBob Dec 2022 #218
Why Would We RobinA Dec 2022 #248
But the reaction here has not been the same GusBob Dec 2022 #250
There would be actual criticism of Hucklebee. old as dirt Dec 2022 #251
This is still America, still a Democracy, and it still has a constitution which guarantees liberty lees1975 Dec 2022 #102
Ty! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #110
Better coming from Warnock... DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #115
As a non-religious, it doesn't bother me at all XorXor Dec 2022 #117
Newsflash: Freedom of religion is in the very first amendment... brush Dec 2022 #119
He's a minister Hekate Dec 2022 #120
Listening now (rerun) & it is a great speech, full of the oral poetry of the Black South Hekate Dec 2022 #124
Welcome to DU. As an atheist, I'd rather have Warnock, who practices his belief's GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #127
Yes, horses for courses. Celerity Dec 2022 #132
A vote is a type of prayer for the type of world we desire LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #130
I watched his speech when MSNBC ran it a second time. Senator Rev. Warnock is very special... Hekate Dec 2022 #140
He. Is. A. Pastor. AKwannabe Dec 2022 #133
Can anyone point to even one piece of legislation where he seems to broach Church/State? Kennah Dec 2022 #135
I don't think the OP has ANY friends! Cattledog Dec 2022 #136
Op has one or two here cheering on. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #181
I never heard it DFW Dec 2022 #141
He's being authentic. Thought that was good. betsuni Dec 2022 #143
Depends On What RobinA Dec 2022 #249
What does that mean? betsuni Dec 2022 #253
Sure, Jan obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #144
Perhaps NoRFriends needs us to call the manager? GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #153
Think positive and see it as a counterweight. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2022 #145
Keep church and state separate malaise Dec 2022 #149
Has he not jeep (kept) church and state separate? betsuni Dec 2022 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Dec 2022 #150
Don't worry. You'll get over it in a minute or two. n/t LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #152
Pretty ecstatic that Karma13612 Dec 2022 #154
He's a pastor. AngryOldDem Dec 2022 #155
This thread may hold a record: PCIntern Dec 2022 #156
Possibly two records sarisataka Dec 2022 #165
If you were actually disgusted, you'd have stopped watching it. Kaleva Dec 2022 #158
Isn't he a Reverend? ellie Dec 2022 #159
Cope Tarc Dec 2022 #160
Sounds serious. Torchlight Dec 2022 #161
Here's the text of the offending speech in full. old as dirt Dec 2022 #162
Glad to see your comment receiving the scorn it deserves. Paladin Dec 2022 #167
Im not disgusted but I too wish there was far far less of this bullshit Arazi Dec 2022 #169
Amen Emile Dec 2022 #178
Same. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #188
Shocking that REVEREND Warnock would be referencing God. Crunchy Frog Dec 2022 #170
He's a minister mcar Dec 2022 #171
Yeah? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #173
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #176
That's like being disgusted with all of the football stuff coming from Tom Brady. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #177
That's who he is and he isn't changing for you, me, or anybody. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2022 #180
Isn't he, like, a Pastor? ismnotwasm Dec 2022 #186
The African American church is an essential crucible for political and social justice mobilization iemanja Dec 2022 #190
You'll be alright. Rub some dirt on it and walk it off. BannonsLiver Dec 2022 #191
Pretty disgusted by this post. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #198
The post right above yours suggests you rub some dirt on it and walk it off. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #207
What? The Revolution Dec 2022 #208
"life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective" Yeah, it is Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #209
Obviously The Revolution Dec 2022 #215
You should've been here around the time of Obama's first inauguration Rob H. Dec 2022 #203
Come to think of it.... That was strange on Obama's part. Willis88 Dec 2022 #241
He's a Christian minister. yardwork Dec 2022 #211
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2022 #216
One thing i really really believe here. bluestarone Dec 2022 #217
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #219
Good on you for raising this topic. Music Man Dec 2022 #222
+1 leftstreet Dec 2022 #223
+2 Emile Dec 2022 #226
I can see why people are hesitant to point it out Skittles Dec 2022 #229
Great post. Celerity Dec 2022 #230
+5 Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #232
Disgust with Sen. Warnock's culture... old as dirt Dec 2022 #233
Kay. Then by all means, keep up this absurd pile-on because you disagree Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #235
If you see my posting the actual content... old as dirt Dec 2022 #238
It's all about context with me. AngryOldDem Dec 2022 #236
I'm Throwing My Lot In With This Clique. ruet Dec 2022 #246
He's in the Bible Belt and needs the support of people of faith cherish44 Dec 2022 #231
No God, no Warnock, no senate majority. Count your blessings. nt oasis Dec 2022 #234
ok Francis Shellback Squid Dec 2022 #237
Why? kentuck Dec 2022 #239
Rev. Warnock was arrested for praying in the Rotunda in 2017. old as dirt Dec 2022 #240
I am honestly amazed at how many people wrongly believe they have a right to freedom from religion ripcord Dec 2022 #243
This is culturally part of the language of resistance in the African JCMach1 Dec 2022 #244
This is true of my wife's culture as well. old as dirt Dec 2022 #245
++ JCMach1 Dec 2022 #252
+1 Yes, the Democratic Party is not "too big of a tent." betsuni Dec 2022 #254

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
220. As an athiest, I'll take talk about God over talk about vampires and werewolves any day!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:13 PM
Dec 2022

 

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
41. Yeah get over it. What matters is, does he practice what he preaches.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:35 AM
Dec 2022

Unlike Walker, who calls himself a Christian and yet beat the crap out of his wife.

Ocelot II

(115,735 posts)
3. He's a pastor. What did you expect?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:18 AM
Dec 2022

And do you have any idea how essential the southern Black churches were to the civil rights movement, or to many Black Democrats now?

electric_blue68

(14,912 posts)
83. The frikkin' fact that she was picking cotton way back, and now her son has achieved a full Senate..
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:18 AM
Dec 2022

term warms my heart! 🧡💙🧡


Oh, I'm tearing up now...but a good way!

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
9. Why? He is a preacher.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:19 AM
Dec 2022

Talking about god is part of his identity. I am no longer religious and I have no problem with people talking about their faith as long as they don't force said faith on me.

hlthe2b

(102,293 posts)
10. He's the pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church (MLK's own church)
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:19 AM
Dec 2022

Did you really not know that? Of course, he's going to invoke God. That's his belief and I respect that that is who he is.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
195. True, but that does not prohibit individuals who are in government from being religious.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:23 PM
Dec 2022

It does not prohibit people from having their views informed by religion. The separation of church and state was meant to dissuade people from establishing an endorsed religion and forcing others to follow that particular doctrine.

I am wondering, because I did not hear the speech, but did Senator Warnock state or imply that he was planning to legislate specifically from religious doctrine and force people to follow that legislation? Or perhaps was he stating the foundation of his ideas of social justice, equality, etc... are informed by his faith?

I left religion some time ago. I have no fondness for religion and I think that it is not a good basis on which to establish a moral and ethical worldview. Thing is, if someone comes to accept that treating people with dignity and looking out for others in society because of the Beatitudes, then the result is the same as I come to in utilizing the concepts of wellbeing, mutual respect, and non-aggression. I am sure that I would disagree strongly with some of what that person believes or argues on other topics, but for the purpose of establishing legislation about social welfare, a person who is religious, can be informed by that belief to promote and pass good legislation just as much as they can be informed by that belief to pass harmful legislation.

Separation of church and state is primarily about one or the other "Capturing" the other and making the other a slave to the one. The Constitution is also pretty clear about prohibiting the government from infringing on people's right to practice their beliefs. It is a delicate balance, and I have seen no evidence at all that Senator Warnock plans to impose his specific beliefs onto others.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
197. Fully understand that. The issue for me is that it is exculsionary.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:44 PM
Dec 2022

For those people that aren't religious (or aren't Christian), it gets tiring to hear elected officials talking about their god so much. I get it. He's a pastor. I have no problems with that. He seems like a good guy. I'm ecstatic he won.

But, why does he need to make it about religion. Just because the majority of the people in the country tend to also believe in his same god doesn't mean we need elected officials talking about it. It's the same belief in the same god that got Roe overturned. Just because he's on our side, doesn't make religion in politics any less troublesome and tiresome.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
205. I feel no exclusion. He is talking about his personal beliefs, which are shared by many.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:45 PM
Dec 2022

I can have similar ideas that I arrived at without religion.

Also, if it were the same god, then there would only be one religion right?

The problem with religion, that I have is that it does not offer Truth. It offers only belief and your "salvation" is predicated on belief and compliance. It is too easy for people seeking power, to use religion as a tool to control others. If you hold the keys to salvation, then you have power.

That said, the context and how religion is used (whether personally or as part of public service) is more important than the mere presence of religion.

Do I want to see a time when humanity moves beyond the need for imagined, unknowable beings who rule over the vast universe but are somehow particularly interested in this tiny speck of dust? Yes, I do. I think that the world will be better off.

I don't feel the need to criticize good people just because they happen to believe in something I have no use for. Something that appears to be guiding them to prosocial actions.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
206. It's not that I don't have use for it; it's that it doesn't belong in our government.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:50 PM
Dec 2022

We are expressly a secular government and the people that created the government went to great lengths to make that known. Hell, Hamilton didn't want pastors to be in government, but he lost that fight.

I don't care that he's religious; I don't care that he talks about religion in his life; I don't care that other people agree (or disagree) with his religious view points. I just wish we could keep it out of our government.

Without religion interfering in government, we wouldn't have abortion bans.

ripcord

(5,409 posts)
242. And our secular government allows freedom of speech even for lawmakers
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:40 AM
Dec 2022

As long as he isn't trying to establish a state religion he is fine.

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)
15. You don't know anything about Sen Warnock, do you?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:22 AM
Dec 2022




Im an atheist but I understand and accept who Warnock is.

blm

(113,065 posts)
53. It's who he is, so it's not faked like those
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:44 AM
Dec 2022

who actually ‘inject’ religious references into their politics.

I’m an atheist, but, never felt annoyed by real Christians who follow the earthly teachings of Jesus. I wish more would.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
146. I don't think railing against it helps
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:17 AM
Dec 2022

and the people who voted for him in GA voted full well knowing he's a Christian pastor. That may have been the reason many of them voted for him over Walker.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
196. You do understand that religion informs people's worldview right?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:37 PM
Dec 2022

I can see and understand that you may not like religion at all, hence do not want it to exist, but that is not likely to happen for a long time, if ever.

I did not hear the speech so I am curious, did Senator Warnock say or imply that he was planning to impose his religious views on the rest of us, or even on the people of Georgia through legislation? Did he say, "I am introducing a bill to make it mandatory for people to praise Jesus" or "I am going to propose that the government cut funding to schools unless they start making the student go to church?

Or was it more like, "I grew up with the ideas of Jesus Christ when he said, 'Whatever you have done for the least of my brethren, you have done for me' and I plan to spend my time in the Senate doing for the most vulnerable people", as God is my witness, I will work for the people of Georgia to make their lives better".

You realize their is a vast difference between the two modes of thinking right?

As I said up thread, I was born and raised religious. I have left that life and I reject it. I know the problems that religion, especially fundamentalist and extremist ideologies can cause. I also know that for many people, it can guide them toward self improvement. I would definitely prefer that people come to those conclusions through rational processes and social cues, but that is what the First Amendment to the Constitution is about. I don't get to impose my ideas on others, and they don't get to impose their religious practices on me. As I also said up thread, if both Senator Warnock and I come to the same conclusion about helping homeless people find housing and improving their lives, but he comes to it through his religious beliefs while I come to it through a secular thought process, what is the difference if the outcome is the same?

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
17. He's not forcing his beliefs on anyone but he has a right
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:23 AM
Dec 2022

to talk about his profession just as any other senator who talks about life as a doctor, attorney, professor, etc.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
18. You couldn't give us one whole night to be happy
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:24 AM
Dec 2022

without expressing your disgust? Really? I hope you feel better now that you've got that off your chest. I'll return to being happy, god or no god.


Lemonwurst

(288 posts)
19. He has his god, I have none, just a choice
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:24 AM
Dec 2022

I’m tired of all religion writ large, but accept that I won’t be here when it’s small enough to be drowned in a bathtub. Instead, I consider others will honor a deity, real enough to them, as a choice no one should deny them.

But if they insist their god must also be mine, well that’s my red line no one can cross.

Ocelot II

(115,735 posts)
28. And Senator/Reverend Warnock is not insisting his god must be yours,
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:26 AM
Dec 2022

but his god is a fundamental part of his identity and he's entitled to talk about it in his terms.

Response to Polybius (Reply #21)

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
54. If you know Warnock is genuine in his faith, why call him out?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:44 AM
Dec 2022

You could have easily disregarded his whole acceptance speech, but you chose to dog on him. Search within yourself. It's not Reverend Warnock's acceptance speech that's bothering you.

Sky Jewels

(7,113 posts)
109. Why bring that supernatural b.s. into a secular process?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:36 AM
Dec 2022

There’s no need. Keep it in the church/home.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
147. Because everyone is free to thank god
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:19 AM
Dec 2022

it is one of the freedoms we are guaranteed in the constitution. The government shall make no laws instituting or restricting religion. That doesn't mean someone can't acknowledge their god or religion in a speech.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
157. Why not for once have someone represent what Christianity is SUPPOSED to be?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:37 AM
Dec 2022

Only love conquers hate & I think many, ok a large majority, see Christianity as something bad because it's been hijacked by the right for many decades. It's time we have some good for once. Warnock and people like Rev. Dr. Barber are carrying on the traditions of MLK which is rooted in social justice just as Jesus himself was. These are snake handling whackos ripped from the book of Revelations or Joel Osteen grifters but rather represent the love of the Gospels.



JanLip

(845 posts)
182. Thank you!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 11:35 AM
Dec 2022

I prefer Senator Warnock’s “God stuff” over Marge Taylor Green God stuff any day. At least we know where Senator Warnock’s heart is. He is and will be an asset to the American people. I agree with everything you wrote. Thank you again. JL

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,399 posts)
174. Ummm, because it's a free country?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 11:21 AM
Dec 2022

Think maybe that is the reason?
Think maybe he's a genuine religious man?
Think maybe........oh never mind, not worth it.

Sky Jewels

(7,113 posts)
184. He's also free to not say it in a political context. He can save it for his parishoners.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:09 PM
Dec 2022

That's an appropriate audience -- not a citizenry of millions.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
185. Preach it!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:34 PM
Dec 2022

And all those gays that want to be gay and those pesky drag queens they are also free to keep it to themselves and save it for their own. How dare they heap that on a citizenry of millions!

See how that works.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
204. He made the choice that is his choice to make.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:38 PM
Dec 2022

People try to silo off aspects of life that are often intertwined. If you practice a religious tradition, that likely informs how you see the world. The mere presence, does not imply that it is being imposed. People who are religious are regularly elected to Congress. The separation of church and state does not come at "you can't mention anything about God or religion". It comes at, You cannot use the power of government to compel a particular set of religious beliefs."

President Biden is a practicing Catholic. The Catholic Church expressly forbids both abortion and contraception. I would imagine that Biden holds a personal belief regarding abortion that is likely in line with the Church's for himself. He is however, outwardly spoken about the right for others to choose. That position has some leaders within the church calling for Biden to be denied, Communion, which if you understand Catholicism, is the fundamental Sacrament and not partaking in it puts your eternal salvation in jeopardy. One can have strong personal religious beliefs and not impose those beliefs onto others through the power of government. President Biden also often invokes his God and uses bible passages which, as I have said, inform his sense of social justice.

I have said a few times on this thread, that I am not a fan of organized religion. In my opinion, it is too easy to manipulate people who fear non-adherence to a doctrine will result in their eternal torture. This country however, at least in theory, was founded with the idea that the government would not try to impose religious doctrine on the people and the government would also not interfere with how people practiced their faith traditions. There is obvious interplay and flexibility regarding the latter given that religious practices that run afoul of laws, can be restricted (I.E. Animal sacrifice, honor killings, etc...).

I too tend to cringe when people invoke religion as a rallying cry, but I can separate it out, as I am sure Senator Rev. Warnock can do, when he is in Washington DC, or in Georgia working on legislation for the people he serves.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
24. go to bed
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:25 AM
Dec 2022

we are celebrating.....no downers needed here tonight. He is one of the best kind of man and a believer. Tough if you can't handle it.

MontanaFarmer

(630 posts)
27. This thread equals dumb thread.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:26 AM
Dec 2022

We don't win any southern seats without the black church. Warnock is a pastor of perhaps the most prominent. If you don't like his religion, support him based on his voting record and politics, which are basically flawless.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
46. Right
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:39 AM
Dec 2022

No time for god myself but Warnock said it himself... if you don't believe that way then think of it this way "people have value".

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
34. Pretty disgusted that you're putting up an intentionally divisive post
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:28 AM
Dec 2022

just to test the waters here.

Thought we would share your disgust, didn't you?

Besides, not much of his speech contained any reference to "God." Most of it was very much about policy and his work as a Senator.

Pfffttt.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
131. As a Jew, I really admire Senator Warren
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:17 AM
Dec 2022

The man is a person of faith which do not have a problem with

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
35. He's also lifted up multiple Jewish people in the speech
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:28 AM
Dec 2022

One can bring up God in an inclusive way or an exclusive way. This speech has been inclusive. I’m very impressed.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
52. Okay, so you just wanted him to lose
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:43 AM
Dec 2022

Or you don’t know what it takes to run for office in Georgia. So sorry you didn’t get to enjoy six years of Senator Herschel Walker.

Response to NoRethugFriends (Reply #40)

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
139. Do you even know who Viola Liuzzo & Chaney, Schwerner & Goodman were? They were murdered...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:41 AM
Dec 2022

… in the Civil Rights movement.

There’s your shout-out to “Christians and Jews” — Warnock spoke the names of 3 young men murdered by the KKK for travelling together in Freedom Summer, one Black and two Jews, in 1964. In addition, Mrs. Liuzzo was a white Civil Rights activist, also murdered by the KKK, in 1965.

During the Civil Rights era, and indeed during every great progressive reform movement in the history of this country, many of the participants were people moved to act by the best tenets of their various religions.

Deal with it.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
148. Thank you for this background
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:21 AM
Dec 2022

I learned something new today and am doing a deeper dive into this history because of it. Inspirational people.

Grown2Hate

(2,013 posts)
36. As an atheist personally, I'm loving this speech.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:30 AM
Dec 2022

And then he said (paraphrasing), "And if that type of religious metaphor doesn't work for you, that's ok. We have a big tent!" Felt that was my shout-out.

Edit: Grammar.

Sky Jewels

(7,113 posts)
49. IMO, there's no need to bring supernatural nonsense into
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:41 AM
Dec 2022

a secular process. Keep it in your church / temple /home.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,399 posts)
175. Well, you know the old saying,
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 11:26 AM
Dec 2022

opinions are like a@@@@@@s, everyone has one, some are more smellier than others.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
42. There are Christian Democrats. I'm one!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:36 AM
Dec 2022

We work just as hard as none Christians. I hold no anger or grudge. I am thankful for Reverend Warnock. Not just because he's a Democrat, but he's an example of Christianity that walks the talk. God bless Reverend Warnock, and may he Continue to help those in need. Warnock is a good man.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
58. He is! So are many of our Dems! We all love Pelosi,
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:51 AM
Dec 2022

She's definitely faith based. There are a lot of bs fake faith going on these days, but I am happy to see and support true and faithful folks.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
43. Elect a pastor, you get a sermon.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:36 AM
Dec 2022

Sermons are not my thing, but I have no problem honoring him as he gives one.

Pinback

(12,157 posts)
44. This atheist loves Warnock.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:36 AM
Dec 2022

And I have no problem with sincere Christians. Their values align closely with those of Democrats and progressives in general.

aquaman

(3,715 posts)
45. JESUS
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:39 AM
Dec 2022

Yeah, he should think just like you.....He should believe just like you....WTF....

Just enjoy the win....

DemocraticPatriot

(4,372 posts)
48. He's a preacher, isn't he ???
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:40 AM
Dec 2022

Did you know that when you supported him 2 years ago ???

(I presume that you supported him then, and that you knew that.... otherwise, you would be a moron....)


I am tempted to ask for a hide, here...

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
50. We could use a few more religious guys like Warnock in the Senate.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:42 AM
Dec 2022

He’ll go preach to his congregation on Sundays and work for us the rest of the week.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
57. Well I consider myself a Christian progressive
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:48 AM
Dec 2022

I don’t consider myself religious - more spiritual. I didn’t think mentioning it was an attempt to force his views.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
64. There was absolutely nothing threatening in Reverend Warnock speech.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:00 AM
Dec 2022

This derogatory OP is still here, which is a testament to our Democratic principles.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
71. I don't see it as derogatory.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:12 AM
Dec 2022

Did you want it censored?

I like Warnock. But we're hiring him to run government for all, not to run a church. See the difference? When people apply for a job I'm not allowed to ask about their religion. It's illegal. And that's how it should be for public office.

See Article 6 of the Constitution MF45 wants to cancel.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
99. I'm sorry, vetting is often cleansing. I thank you for wishing me also peace.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:26 AM
Dec 2022

Kindness is always lovely and soothing. 💕

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
189. So
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:45 PM
Dec 2022

What are your complaints about the job he is doing? Has he sponsored, voted for or passed any laws based on his religion? If the answer no, and you agree he's a good senator, then you are doing nothing more than trashing his personal beliefs because you take issue with them.

See Amendment 1 of the constitution MF45 wants to cancel.

Silent3

(15,234 posts)
59. While I'd rather see politics more secular as an atheist, since Warnock has no agenda...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:52 AM
Dec 2022

...to enforce his religious beliefs on others, I can cope, especially when it's the more loving and uplifting side of religion on display.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
68. It's not a killjoy.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:07 AM
Dec 2022

A lot of us are tired of religion being forced on us.

Yes, Warnock is sincere. And I'm glad he won. He's a decent man. And it's the phony proselytizers who ruin things. But still, running for office is basically applying for a job to run government.

Nowhere else do we hear about religion in a job application. In fact, it's illegal to ask about one's religion, much less ask for them to give a sermon.

marmar

(77,081 posts)
72. And nothing he said indicates he's forcing religion on anybody....
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:12 AM
Dec 2022

.... particularly in governance. He specifically mentioned the big tent in his speech. ... He's a reverend and it's perfectly fine that he references the arena that molded him in his speech. .... I'm not a religious person but I have no problem with this. This secular purity BS is nauseating

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
77. Not at all.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:14 AM
Dec 2022

I saw most of his speech, and I have no problem with a mention of religion. While good, there was too much religion, even for a pastor. We're not hiring him to be a pastor.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
96. Do the things he votes on apply only to Georgia voters?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:24 AM
Dec 2022

That's the problem.

And yes, we are all hiring all of them to run the government.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
66. Agreed.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:04 AM
Dec 2022

I'm glad he won. And I'm sure he's sincere. But I'm tired of religion being thrust on everyone, when we're hiring them to run a government for all, not a church.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
69. And some would like to throw out all who don't see things their way.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:08 AM
Dec 2022

Usually, though, that's how it is on the Team R side.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
79. There is no "religious test" here.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:16 AM
Dec 2022

I think you are the one who needs to study--and work on comprehending--the Constitution.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
89. LOL.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:21 AM
Dec 2022

Here is the pertinent section:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Are you sure you've read the Constitution? You clearly don't seem to understand it.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
98. No, I clearly am the one who does understand that.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:26 AM
Dec 2022

If there is no religious test, why do the all proclaim their evangelical religion so vocally?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
104. What does anyone's "faith" have to do with their qualifications for a job?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:30 AM
Dec 2022

and as a followup, before you say "nothing", why can't I ask job applicants about their faith?

Even when it might actually affect their job performance such as willingness to work Saturday, Sunday or other religious holidays? Or other accommodations that others would not expect to get?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
105. Changing the goalposts now that your argument about the Constitution crapped out?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:32 AM
Dec 2022

People are free in this country to have religious faith. I know that bugs you, but get over it.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
112. Denialism is strong with you.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:44 AM
Dec 2022

Sen. Warnock's election had nothing to do with a "religious test."

I'm not sure if you know that.



H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
121. Okay, allow me
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:03 AM
Dec 2022

to bulldoze the goal posts. Darn it! How about all the problems we had when the Pope dictated every policy of President Kennedy? Maybe not those about sex, though one can never be sure. Wasn't it clear then that when then-Seanator Kennedy while on the campaign trail and confronted the religious question(s) gave the perfect speech defining the difference between his being a Catholic -- and an Irish one at that!!!! --and serving as president, that JFK was trying to push his religion down our throats even tonight?

I consider this as serious as the grave constitutional issues that you are responding to, and correctly noting there is no issue there. Thus, if you do continue to be correct in your responses, I will again bulldoze those goal posts.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
126. Do you know why that article says
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:39 AM
Dec 2022

"oath or affirmation"? There is a religious accommodation history behind that wording. Quakers were a prominent part of public and political life at the time. For religious reasons, they (and a few other religious denominations) do not take oaths. But they will affirm their intention to faithfully live up to the responsibilities of any office that they are elected or appointed to.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
129. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Constitution
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:11 AM
Dec 2022

Senator Warnock being a person of faith is NOT a violation of the U.S. Constitution

Jedi Guy

(3,193 posts)
168. No, you very clearly don't.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:54 AM
Dec 2022

What's meant by "religious test" is that it can't be required that someone be of X religion or make an oath of allegiance to X religion in order to assume public office in the United States.

Politicians and public servants in the United States can, of course, choose to be affiliated with a religion, and they can also choose to speak about their beliefs. They don't lose their First Amendment rights upon assuming office.

electric_blue68

(14,912 posts)
75. Uhhhh... He's a Reverand...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:13 AM
Dec 2022

Ya know, you could have been couteous enuff tonight to let it lie and complain tommorow?

But, nooooooo, you had to go and be a snooty Aetheist. 🙄

Aetheists in general are fine by me, but not snooty ones.

(Spiritual person, and believes Fully in Separation of Church and State. NO theocracy of any kind. I believe in Science, too, in case you wondered.)

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
85. Is the job of Senator
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:19 AM
Dec 2022

a - make law and run government

or

b - prepare and deliver sermons geared toward a specific religion.

Why the hostility toward someone who wants a clear separation of church and state?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
94. Is he not a Senator now?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:23 AM
Dec 2022

As I said, I don't doubt his genuineness. But the religious element in that speech was more than needed.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
114. Perhaps you are unaware,
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:45 AM
Dec 2022

but that was a campaign victory speech. Campaigns are not part of the job. He can't campaign while on the job. Nor can he do official Senate duties while campaigning. Are you able to understand the very real distinctions between the two? I learned it in the 8th grade, and am concerned such things aren't being taught in schools these days.

electric_blue68

(14,912 posts)
113. This is his victory speech. Doesn't mean he's going to spend most or anytime "sermonizing" in The ..
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:45 AM
Dec 2022

Senate.
He's going to as a Dem try to put forth, and support policies that bring support, and help to people in general, AND advocate for "the least among" us, the vunerable, and still second, and third class citizens among us. 👍💙

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
116. It appears that
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:50 AM
Dec 2022

the distinction between a campaign event and official Senate business is something our friend does not understand. Lack of understanding is the only good explanation for the outrage expressed in the OP/thread. Because if they did understand why, for example, one donates to his campaign -- and not Senate office -- for the election contest, this OP would not be rooted in rational thought, but purely emotion.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
247. I Think
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 01:08 PM
Dec 2022

what our friend doesn't like is to hear an elected official of the US government go on and on about his particular brand of superstition. You can like the guy, you can vote for the guy, you can be glad he won, you can agree he can believe whatever he wants, but you can also not want to hear a lot of hocus pocus from him when he's in an official capacity. That's my read of the OP. And yes, I cringe when I hear religion used in a governmental context. God Bless This Honorable Court.

Sky Jewels

(7,113 posts)
192. Exactly.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:50 PM
Dec 2022

Bringing this kind of nonsense into the public sphere just erodes the separation of church and state further. We don't need to help the right in that regard!

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
210. One person's "nonesense"...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:25 PM
Dec 2022
...is another person's culture.


Bringing this kind of nonsense into the public sphere just erodes the separation of church and state further. We don't need to help the right in that regard!

aquaman

(3,715 posts)
93. Amen....
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:23 AM
Dec 2022

I don't give a damn whether he believes in God, Jesus, Allah, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus....

A Democrat US Senate candidate won in Georgia. I'm from the south....I've been all throughout Georgia...this is big. As parts of it are super scary.

Congrats, reverend!

Sky Jewels

(7,113 posts)
202. "Faith" has done untold harm to this nation and to the planet.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:59 PM
Dec 2022

Particularly to women, who have been made into third-class citizens thanks to religious loons on SCOTUS, and who have long been seen and treated as "lessers" because Bronze Age goat herders made up a male omnipotent god and his male offspring to be the creators/rulers of the universe (even though the universe was already billions of years old when the Bible myths were slapped together ... go figure).

Then there's the long-standing anti-gay hate justified by those stupid stories from Bronze Age Mesopotamia, as well as the science denial, and the anti-intellectualism, and the grifting, and the justification of pedophilia, and the sexual predation (Mormon men "marrying" and raping young girls, as one example), and on and on...

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
101. Let's play shoe on the other foot, out of curiosity
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:28 AM
Dec 2022

If it was say, Mike Huckabee, a Baptist Preacher too, up there invoking God when he won political races ( and without the stomach to look it up, I bet he did)

What would/ did posters here say then?

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
212. You know it. This is a pretty epic swarm we got going here in response
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:31 PM
Dec 2022

to a one line opinion.

Oh, and can I be the two hundredth to say, "He's a minister!

Thrilled Warnock won. Kind of horrified at the ridiculous pile-on here though.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
213. if i recall correctly, it was complete shoe on the other foot
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:49 PM
Dec 2022

I seem to recall the complete opposite reaction we are seeing here

As Spock would say, 'fascinating'

There's another word that applies that begins with 'h'

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
214. Personally, I have no problem with Warnock referring to god.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:53 PM
Dec 2022

The speech was good.

But the fact that people here seem to think the OP needs to be pilloried and pummeled and piled onto because he has stated a legit opinion they don't happen to agree with is creepy as hell.

That's happening a lot here lately.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
218. Agreed
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:14 PM
Dec 2022

Altho' I was raised that religion was to be kept in the church and house and to discuss it out of those places was unwise and rude. Lest one be pilloried and piled upon, ironically.

I'm glad he won of course. But what I also find interesting: If HW woulda' won we would be bombarded with all kinds of zany things he said for the next four years (along with endless babble from TFG, Musk, Ye, MTG, Bobo and the rest of the nut cases) Thats also what happens here alot lately

I'd bet there will be very few threads of things Warnock says, however substantial they may be

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
248. Why Would We
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 02:45 PM
Dec 2022

say anything different? If the subject is a government official blathering on about god in an official speech, the reaction would be the same. At least mine would. I don't want to hear it. Which doesn't mean somebody doesn't have the "right" to do it, it just means I don't like it.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
250. But the reaction here has not been the same
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 03:09 PM
Dec 2022

IF Huckabee did it, would there be a zillion " its OK, he is a preacher" replies?

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
251. There would be actual criticism of Hucklebee.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 03:21 PM
Dec 2022

I mean real substance, not just some silly stuff about the words he uses.

That didn't happen here because Warnock is not Hucklebee.

lees1975

(3,861 posts)
102. This is still America, still a Democracy, and it still has a constitution which guarantees liberty
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:28 AM
Dec 2022

of conscience which includes freedom of religion, and separation of church and state. A member of the Senate, the President, the House, any state legislature, all have the right to believe in God and invoke that belief in whatever office they hold. That's not coercion or imposition on anyone else, that is the exercise of freedom. He's pastor of a Baptist Church, Ebenezer, where MLK also pastored.

These kind of Christians are going to fight for separation of church and state, and to protect freedom of conscience and religious liberty for all Americans, including those of other religions or of no religion. Whether you're a believer or an atheist, they will respect your rights and your convictions and will consider all humanity equal. They already have a track record of being America's most ardent advocates for justice and equality. They are an asset to democracy and freedom.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,372 posts)
115. Better coming from Warnock...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:50 AM
Dec 2022

than any Republican anywhere.....


and if you don't agree,
Warnock won't hate you for disagreeing---

in fact, he believes in 'freedom of choice' to believe, or not to believe---


as 'god' does-- if you believe in any one of them or the other.


XorXor

(621 posts)
117. As a non-religious, it doesn't bother me at all
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:51 AM
Dec 2022

So long as people don't try to push legislation based on their personal religious beliefs, then I'm tolerant of whatever religious stuff they believe in. That's one of the things that this country is supposed to be about

brush

(53,791 posts)
119. Newsflash: Freedom of religion is in the very first amendment...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:59 AM
Dec 2022

in the Bill of Rights. Haven't you heard of it?

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
124. Listening now (rerun) & it is a great speech, full of the oral poetry of the Black South
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:23 AM
Dec 2022

I’m truly sorry you and others missed that

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
127. Welcome to DU. As an atheist, I'd rather have Warnock, who practices his belief's
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 02:48 AM
Dec 2022

than a bunch of hypocrites like all the GQP pietists.

Also, do know who Warnock is speaking to. He knows how to 'read the room'.

That's a skill to cultivate and appreciate.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
130. A vote is a type of prayer for the type of world we desire
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:14 AM
Dec 2022

This phrase hits me hard. I really admire Senator Warnock


Hekate

(90,714 posts)
140. I watched his speech when MSNBC ran it a second time. Senator Rev. Warnock is very special...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:44 AM
Dec 2022

I am so glad he won.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
141. I never heard it
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:12 AM
Dec 2022

I already got told off by some on DU for being up at 4 AM (they were right, too).

I'm no fan of the God Squad, but it IS the man's profession after all, and last I heard, our line was that it was cool believing what you want to believe as long as you don't try to force it on anyone else. Warnock's profession is, literally, preaching to the choir. So, let him preach. He never asked me to believe anything (wise move). I would never ask him to believe what I do either (I never met the man, but I suspect that would be a wise move, too).

betsuni

(25,538 posts)
253. What does that mean?
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 05:52 AM
Dec 2022

He is not lying about Democrats and accusing them of being corrupt, immoral and beholden to billionaires and corporations. That's lying and helping Republicans. Inauthentic and lying.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
145. Think positive and see it as a counterweight.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:07 AM
Dec 2022

I have not heard of cases where Sen. Warnock used his religion improperly while executing his job in Washington.

I am with you though, in that I'm sick of evangelicalism's rabid efforts at infusing their beliefs into every aspect of our lives.


KY Agnostic.............

Response to NoRethugFriends (Original post)

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
154. Pretty ecstatic that
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:02 AM
Dec 2022

Walker ain’t standin up givin a VICTORY 🤮 speech about werewolves.

Glass half-empty or half-full.

I’m not into religion at all. Couldn’t stay up to hear Senator Warnock’s victory speech but I guarantee it would not have offended or threatened my spiritual beliefs. Yes, I’m usually turned off by overly religious conversations, but Senator Warnock is not trying to convert me. His speech no doubt was directed first and foremost to his followers who worked their butts off multiple times to get him on that stage for another 6 years.

Again, “werewolves in DC” would be an absolute NIGHTMARE.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
155. He's a pastor.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:10 AM
Dec 2022

I liked his remarks — especially how he honored all the civil rights pioneers without whom….

I get tired of the God card being played to pander or if it’s clearly insincere. This wasn’t.

Sorry you were triggered.

PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
156. This thread may hold a record:
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:12 AM
Dec 2022

In all the years I’ve been here, I believe that I’ve never seen this many replies to a one sentence OP with no body, only the subject line.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
165. Possibly two records
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:48 AM
Dec 2022

The most support for an office holder invoking an imaginary sky being.

Often that has been considered a sign of insanity.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
162. Here's the text of the offending speech in full.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:43 AM
Dec 2022
Hello, Georgia! Thank you, Georgia! We did it again!

Thank you so much for your trust in me and to God be the glory!

After a long and hard fought campaign, it is now my honor to utter the four most powerful words in a democracy, “the people have spoken.” I have often said that a vote is a kind of prayer for the world we desire for ourselves and for our children.

It is faith put in action. It is the sober recognition that we pray not only with our lips but with our legs.

And Georgia, you have you been doing just that - praying with your lips and with your legs, with your hands and your feet, with your head and your heart! And here we are standing together!

And Georgia once again – as you did in 2021 when you sent an African American man and a Jewish man to the Senate in one fell swoop - you are sending a clear message to the country about the kind of world we want for our children.

I stand before you tonight a proud son of Savannah, Georgia, a coastal city known for its cobblestone streets and verdant town squares. Towering oak trees, centuries old and covered in gray Spanish moss bend and beckon the lover of history and horticulture to this city by the sea. And like those oak trees in Savannah, my roots go deep down and they stretch wide in the soil of Waycross, Georgia, and Burke County and Screven County. In a sense, I am Georgia. A living example and embodiment of its history and its hope, of its pain and promise, the brutality and possibility.

I am grateful that my mother, Pastor Verlene Warnock, is here tonight. A teenager growing up in Waycross, GA, she used to pick somebody else’s cotton and tobacco. Tonight, she helped pick her youngest son to be a United States senator. My late father, Rev. Jonathan Warnock, a preacher and a junkman, has long entered into the light but he too is cheering us on.

How grateful I am for my very large and beautiful family. I am glad that they are here tonight. I’m number 11 of 12 and so my parents clearly read the scripture which says, “Be fruitful and multiply.”

We were short on money, but we were long on love, faith, and humor, and they poured into me and my eleven siblings the values and hard work ethic that still guide me today.

That’s what’s led me to a life of service, it’s what’s led me in the pulpit and it’s ultimately what’s led me to the U.S. Senate…

I also want to thank my two children, Chloe and Caleb. You two are the brightest stars in my world and as proud as I am to be a Senator, I am most proud to be your dad. You help inspire me to do my part to build a world befitting of the curiosity, the creativity and the possibility that I see in your eyes and in the eyes of all of our children.

And on this night, where after being on the ballot 5 times in the last two years … for the same job I might add … I have been entrusted with a six-year term to serve in the Senate, I cannot express how thankful I am to you, the people of Georgia.

I am deeply honored to be on this journey with you.

It’s an overwhelming statement for your neighbors to say we want you to represent us and our families in high office. And it’s something that inspires me every day.

Now there will be those both in our state, and across the country, who will point to our victory tonight and try to use it to argue there is no voter suppression in Georgia.

Let me be clear. The fact that millions of Georgians endured hours in lines – and were willing to spend hours in line – lines that wrapped around buildings and went on for blocks, lines in the cold, lines in the rain, is most certainly not a sign voter suppression does not exist.

Instead, it is proof that you, the people, will not allow your voices to be silenced. And I am proud to stand with you.

I believe that democracy is the political enactment of a spiritual idea. The notion that each of us has within us a spark of the divine…We all have value. And if we have value, we ought to have a voice.

That’s why when officials in our state tried to block Saturday voting, we sued them. And we won. And the people showed up in record numbers within the narrow confines of the time given to them by a state legislature that saw our electoral strength the last time and went after it with surgical precision.

The fact that voters worked so hard to overcome the hardship put in front of them does not eliminate the fact that hardship was put there in the first place.

Our democracy is stronger when more people are able to exercise their right to vote. This is something we all should be able to agree on. And it is something that I will continue to work on…until we pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

Democrats, Republicans, independents, should all be able to agree that whether you’re black, brown, white or any other color, no matter what neighborhood you live in, in the United States of America you should have the same ability to exercise your right to vote.

Tonight, I want to pay tribute to all those, over so many years, who have put their voices, and their lives on the line, to defend that right.

Martyrs of the movement like Scherner, Chaney & Goodman; Viola Luizzo, James Reeb. And those who stood up and spoke up like Fannie Lou Hamer. John Lewis, who walked across a bridge knowing that there were police waiting to brutalize him on the other side. Yet, by some stroke of destiny mingled with human determination he walked across that bridge in order to build a bridge to a more just future.

And now, it is up to us to keep building that bridge. To keep doing the important moral work. And Georgia, I want you to know that even as I work for you, I intend to walk with you.

Because here is what I’ve learned from being a pastor. You cannot lead the people unless you love the people. And you cannot love the people unless you know the people. And the only way to know the people is to spend time among the people. You cannot serve me if you cannot see me. Georgia, I see you. Parents trying to get your kids through school, I see you. Students trying to pay your way and work your way through, I see you. Farmers who are an answer to our most basic prayer – give us this day our daily bread – and yet struggle to survive, to save the farm, I see you. Workers fighting for a livable wage and decent benefits, I see you. Small business owners, I see you.

I will always be a voice for Georgia. All of Georgia. Whether you voted for me, or whether you didn’t, I will always be fighting for you and I hope to serve our state in a way that makes you proud.

And I remain hopeful that Washington can focus more on what we all share in common rather than what sometimes divides us.

Too many folks in Washington enter the conversation everyday thinking they must be armed as gladiators, focused on that day’s fight, on getting what they can for their side, whoever they consider that to be. I just see things differently. I’m proud of my bi-partisan work. And I hope to do more.

Because I believe first and foremost we are an American people and that we all have a covenant with one another. That we must live up to that uniquely American ideal of E pluribus Unum. Out of many—one.

I believe in what Dr. King called the Beloved Community. Over the forces that seek to divide us, we choose a state—and a nation that embraces all of us. We choose America.

I believe in the American dream. My own life is an iteration of its promise and possibility.

And therefore I believe that we can all do better, when we’re all doing better.

That’s what drives me to work to expand and lower the cost of healthcare, of creating jobs and standing up for the dignity of work, of addressing inequality and criminal justice reform and of taking on the existential threat of climate change that threatens our future.

And as I return to serve as your Senator for another six years, it's that combination of faith, love and hard work that will keep me focused on making change on behalf of our State and our country.

Before I close—and you can never believe a former pastor when they say they’ll close—I want to thank some of the people that made this victory possible.

To my campaign staff, led by my incredible campaign manager and son of Schley County, Georgia, Quentin Fulks, thank you. I want to thank Lawrence Bell who one day dropped on me a crazy idea – you should run for the senate – and the rest is history.

I want to thank my Senate staff in Washington, led by Mark Libell, and my state team, led by Meredith Lilly, for their work on behalf of our state.

I want to thank the volunteers and all of you who believed that we could win.

We won together…

Asking that neighbor at the very end of your block to get to the polls.

Turning to one another in our church pews…

Talking about what is at stake here in Georgia…

Talking about what a brighter future looks like for all of our families.

Volunteers in every corner of the state knocked doors to get people to the polls…

And poll workers worked hard to ensure each and every Georgia voter could make their voice heard in their own democracy.

And tonight, all that hard work paid off.

Thank you Georgia.

I know for many these are hard times. Dark times.

There is no question people are feeling the pain and the pinch – your children, your aging parents, your neighbors. We’ve been through a lot.

But the scripture says the light shines in the darkness and the darkness overcometh it not and I know with all my heart that our best days are ahead of us.

So tomorrow – we can all take a hard-earned rest. Just for a moment though – because the work continues…

And I’m not confused about who I work for.

Some of you have heard me tell the story many times of how my dad would wake me up every morning, 6am, no matter what time of year, no matter what day of the week, he’d say “Son, get dressed, put your shoes on.”

Well Georgia, I’m up, I’m dressed, I’m ready and I’ve got my shoes on. And I am so honored that you have placed your confidence in me one more time.

From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! God bless you.

Keep the faith! Keep looking up.


https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/raphael-warnock-victory-speech-full-text/85-1da60dc5-1ba5-4127-9ba6-9ab41d10339e

Response to NoRethugFriends (Original post)

iemanja

(53,035 posts)
190. The African American church is an essential crucible for political and social justice mobilization
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:47 PM
Dec 2022

by black people. MLK arose out of the same church that Warnock is a pastor of. You'll recall that MLK's activism was imbued with a moral justice that came out of his religious tradition. To expect them to conform to suburban white standards is to say that they shouldn't participate in politics. As for the remark above that "church and state" should be separate, nothing Warnock said violated the separation of church and state. The constitution protects his right TO religion as much as your right FROM it.

Do you suggest souls to the polls should stop too?

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
207. The post right above yours suggests you rub some dirt on it and walk it off.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:52 PM
Dec 2022

So it's not OK for people to not want religion in our government. You know, the secular government we have?

Because without religion, we wouldn't have abortion bans.

The Revolution

(766 posts)
208. What?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:17 PM
Dec 2022

"without religion, we wouldn't have abortion bans"

That's a strange statement. Religion is a huge part if human existence and has been for, what, all of recorded human history?

If humans evolved from egg-laying mammals, there might not be abortion bans either. But that isn't the world we live in.

You could also come up with a pretty logical argument against abortion that doesn't require religion. You basically just have to say life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective. Then just say preserving that life is the most important thing, even superceeding another person's rights to bodily atonomy. There's an argument for banning abortion that doesn't invoke God. Whether or not that would be a popular view in a fictional world that has no religion is pretty much unknownable.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
209. "life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective" Yeah, it is
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:23 PM
Dec 2022

Biology doesn't say that the fetus is human life.

And please show me a non-religious group that was advocating for abortion bans for reasons that didn't have to do with religion. It is clearly the religious that got Roe overturned. I thought we all knew that.

The Revolution

(766 posts)
215. Obviously
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:55 PM
Dec 2022

When a baby is born it is a human life. And so what it becomes human when it pops out, but not before that? It changes from non-human to human at some point? That doesn't make sense, the development process is gradual. So if you want to say life begins when cells start dividing, I don't think that is a ridiculous claim.

I think it's a bad idea to get bogged down in that kind of messy argument anyway. It's much better to focus on the mother's right to her own bodily atonomy, which is an argument that applies regardless of the humanity of the fetus (so something along the lines of the "violinist" analogy).

Yes, religious groups were the primary driver of overturning Roe. That's the world we live in though. A majority of all people are religious to some degree or another. Athiests opposed to abortion do exist though.

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
203. You should've been here around the time of Obama's first inauguration
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:37 PM
Dec 2022

when Obama decided open homophobe and vocal same-sex marriage opponent Rick Warren was an actual good choice to deliver the invocation. It was a super-fun time to be atheist, LGBTQ, or both.

Edit: Warren's anti-choice, too.

Further edit: I have no problem with Warnock, ftr, and am thrilled he won.

Willis88

(109 posts)
241. Come to think of it.... That was strange on Obama's part.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:38 AM
Dec 2022

Naive but probably wanted to show that he would be President for all people, including the religious right?

Response to NoRethugFriends (Original post)

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
217. One thing i really really believe here.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:58 PM
Dec 2022

Warnock believes EVERYTHING he's saying! (one of the BEST speech's i've heard lately) He's no phony, like TFG'S CULT! Everything he does from this day forward, will keep our America free!! (i fully trust him)

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
222. Good on you for raising this topic.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:28 PM
Dec 2022

The issue is perfectly valid, and it's too bad you're being completely shut down. People in this thread have called you a moron and offered strawman arguments like, "So you wanted Warnock to lose?" I'd like to think we're intelligent enough to celebrate Warnock's triumph while simultaneously pointing out things we have issues with.

I personally didn't have a problem because this is Warnock's profession, he's authentic in his beliefs, and he's giving a victory speech and not legislating.

However, I'm glad you have the courage to say that there's an issue with politicians talking in this way. Admittedly, I believe that religion is generally harmful to society, so if I never had to hear a politician talking about God again, I'd be a happy man.

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
232. +5
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:36 PM
Dec 2022

When did DU become a place where a one-line criticism (from a poster who has elsewhere supported Warnock) requires MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED people to pile on with nasty and entirely repetitive "How dare you question a Senator's multiple god references in an acceptance speech??" posts.

As GusBob pointed out above, if it had been Huckabee referencing god in a speech multiple times, DU would have had - and in fact HAS had - a very different response. Which says the OPs point is a legitimate one.

I have no issue with Warnock referencing god.

I have big issues with the creepy pile-on that is this thread.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
233. Disgust with Sen. Warnock's culture...
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:49 AM
Dec 2022

...has nothing to do with Huckabee and his culture.

A better comparison might be disgust registered against MLK's speeches.

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
235. Kay. Then by all means, keep up this absurd pile-on because you disagree
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 10:17 AM
Dec 2022

with a single complaint posted by someone who has elsewhere shown total support for Warnock.

Another couple hundred outraged chastisements will surely make the poster fall in line and obey the DU company line about when it's OK to combine god and government.

And PS: MLK was never an elected official. So no, that's not a better comparison.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
238. If you see my posting the actual content...
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 10:44 AM
Dec 2022

...of the speech in full (or perhaps replying to your own post) as an "absurd pile on", then so be it.


Then by all means, keep up this absurd pile-on because you disagree with a single complaint posted by someone who has elsewhere shown total support for Warnock.


PS: MLK was born in 1929 and assassinated at age 39 in 1968, whereas Sen Warnock was born the year after, in 1969, and was not assassinated at age 39, and went on to run for public office in 2020 at age 51.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
236. It's all about context with me.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 10:29 AM
Dec 2022

Warnock’s speech did not offend me, because it paid tribute to much more than just divine help.

Where I do have an issue is when faith and religion are used cynically, or intentionally to curry favor with a particular part of the population. The debate over the same-sex marriage act was a good example.

Joy Reid summed it up. “He’s a preacher. You’re gonna get a sermon.” But it was a sincere sermon.

ruet

(10,039 posts)
246. I'm Throwing My Lot In With This Clique.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

It bothers me when President Biden pontificates as well. I'm resigned to the fact that it won't change in my lifetime.

cherish44

(2,566 posts)
231. He's in the Bible Belt and needs the support of people of faith
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:59 AM
Dec 2022

Everyone can believe or not believe in what they want as far as I'm concerned. I'm just happy he won. Thank You God or whatever for this victory!

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
239. Why?
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 10:48 AM
Dec 2022

Are all the atheists being converted?

In my opinion, a little bit of "god stuff" will not harm the Democratic Party.

How big of a tent do we want?

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
240. Rev. Warnock was arrested for praying in the Rotunda in 2017.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:32 AM
Dec 2022

I think he's allowed to mention God in a speech.

Rev. Raphael Warnock talks about 2017 arrest at U.S. Capitol (2017 archive video)

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
244. This is culturally part of the language of resistance in the African
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
Dec 2022

American tradition...

As an atheist it doesn't bother me one bit. I know exactly where he is coming from.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
245. This is true of my wife's culture as well.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 12:36 PM
Dec 2022

Her ancestors ran away from their masters centuries ago and established a palenque. (El Palenque del Castigo.)

As an atheist, I believe that she is entitled to her culture.

The same goes goes Sen Warnock.

The Democratic Party is a multicultural party, in a multicultural nation, and we need to treat each other with respect.

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