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Samrob

(4,298 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:45 AM Dec 2022

First, welcome home, Brittney Griner. Make no mistake about what Russia is doing with this swap.

By releasing Brittney and not Paul, Putin is driving another stake into the heart of American democracy and unity. Putin knows exactly how to rile up the Trumpian MAGAs who are all too willing to have yet another grievance against Biden, democrats, blacks and everyone who is not like them. Wait for the MSM to continue to do Putin's bidding, either intentionally or unintentionally.

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First, welcome home, Brittney Griner. Make no mistake about what Russia is doing with this swap. (Original Post) Samrob Dec 2022 OP
THIS. The dupes are either willing or willing dupes. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2022 #1
I have just decided I don't care anymore about their white grievances Walleye Dec 2022 #2
Where was Trump for 2 years when Putin and he were besties? If Trump couldn't. . . TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #17
I swear to God when the breaking news thing came on the CBS news this morning Walleye Dec 2022 #18
Agree. No matter what Biden did with Griner or Whelen they would bitch, and play the victim. mitch96 Dec 2022 #19
Lately i just keep thinking, they must be miserable people Walleye Dec 2022 #20
I think it's Orwells 1984.. black is white, good is bad, war is peace... uff makes no sense..nt mitch96 Dec 2022 #25
Give me a break with this right wing talking point. gab13by13 Dec 2022 #3
+++ JohnSJ Dec 2022 #12
They can go f themselves. Anyone who isn't relieved by this is a real ass. bullimiami Dec 2022 #4
Trading her for an arms dealer was a bad move. Omnipresent Dec 2022 #5
Worth the price. Well worth. bullimiami Dec 2022 #7
No it wasn't obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #22
Can you put some meat on that bone? Omnipresent Dec 2022 #24
So if you were being held prisoner by Russia louslobbs Dec 2022 #30
Yes, because I'm not a Republican. Omnipresent Dec 2022 #32
Thank you louslobbs Dec 2022 #33
I'm glad you finally understand. Omnipresent Dec 2022 #35
Do you think no-one has been dealing arms since he's been in jail? jcgoldie Dec 2022 #41
So if you don't think an arms dealer for a minor celebrity was great Sympthsical Dec 2022 #6
They obviously don't... Omnipresent Dec 2022 #9
Exactly. It's an attempt to shut down TheBeam19 Dec 2022 #10
She was a citizen, wtf does her "celebrity" have to do with it?? obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #23
What of Bout's victims? Sympthsical Dec 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Dec 2022 #31
Paul Whelan is a citizen also ripcord Dec 2022 #34
Guy is no longer an arms dealer Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #40
There was a white guy released even before Brittany Griner JI7 Dec 2022 #8
I assume you are referring to Trevor Reed onenote Dec 2022 #16
Weren't you one of the ones here on DU on Tuesday night fearing MerryHolidays Dec 2022 #11
Can we have even half an hour of pleasure over the Griner release? Paladin Dec 2022 #13
Agree with your comment. ChazII Dec 2022 #15
His family has released a statement Bettie Dec 2022 #14
"is driving another stake into the heart of American democracy and unity" marmar Dec 2022 #21
Biden eating ice cream riles up MAGAts Takket Dec 2022 #26
I see this as a first step toward negotiations on Ukraine underpants Dec 2022 #27
I'm with you Zorro Dec 2022 #28
I don't think so because it changes nothing re Ukraine karynnj Dec 2022 #36
Ok. Not arguing underpants Dec 2022 #37
I was just remembering when Secretary Kerry was asked about some people held by Iran karynnj Dec 2022 #38
Yep dalton99a Dec 2022 #39

Walleye

(31,156 posts)
2. I have just decided I don't care anymore about their white grievances
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:48 AM
Dec 2022

The Republicans want to be the party of the butt-hurt. It’s their choice. They don’t have to be crazy

Walleye

(31,156 posts)
18. I swear to God when the breaking news thing came on the CBS news this morning
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:38 AM
Dec 2022

I thought just for an instant “oh fuck that madman Putin has finally started World War III”, such a relief to find out it was actually good news

mitch96

(13,947 posts)
19. Agree. No matter what Biden did with Griner or Whelen they would bitch, and play the victim.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:39 AM
Dec 2022

Anything to "own the libs" ........ fuck'em...
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Walleye

(31,156 posts)
20. Lately i just keep thinking, they must be miserable people
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:42 AM
Dec 2022

What kind of mental health is constantly seeking vengeance. Looks like they’re living in some 50s western TV series. Or the movie Mad Max or something

bullimiami

(13,114 posts)
4. They can go f themselves. Anyone who isn't relieved by this is a real ass.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:52 AM
Dec 2022

It was such a gross miscarriage of reality to use her as political fodder.
The entire Russian govt including the courts is a sham.

louslobbs

(3,241 posts)
30. So if you were being held prisoner by Russia
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:19 AM
Dec 2022

You would have declined the negotiated release and refused to leave the Russian prison right?

jcgoldie

(11,662 posts)
41. Do you think no-one has been dealing arms since he's been in jail?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:26 PM
Dec 2022

He deserved to be punished for his crimes yes, but its not like those crimes have or will go uncommitted if he stays incarcerated along with Griner.

Sympthsical

(9,193 posts)
6. So if you don't think an arms dealer for a minor celebrity was great
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:53 AM
Dec 2022

You're just being divisive and mean?

(Do people hear themselves sometimes?)

TheBeam19

(344 posts)
10. Exactly. It's an attempt to shut down
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:17 AM
Dec 2022

any dissenting opinion on this swap.

Not even worth debating people who employ that tactic.

obamanut2012

(26,188 posts)
23. She was a citizen, wtf does her "celebrity" have to do with it??
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:49 AM
Dec 2022

Jfc this place can just be hsteful sometimes.

Sympthsical

(9,193 posts)
29. What of Bout's victims?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:15 AM
Dec 2022

The man is responsible for countless deaths.

Ignoring them? That's hateful. And some people seem awfully determined to do it. Hand wave that all away. So let's not talk about hate when that is happening.

Let's have some perspective and proportion here, seriously.

Response to Sympthsical (Reply #29)

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
34. Paul Whelan is a citizen also
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:33 AM
Dec 2022

This is the second time the Biden administration has left him behind, things seem to different when you are a pro athlete with hordes of celebrity supporters.

onenote

(42,854 posts)
16. I assume you are referring to Trevor Reed
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:31 AM
Dec 2022

Who was released in a trade for Konstantin Yaroshenko, a Russian pilot who was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle drugs into the US.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
11. Weren't you one of the ones here on DU on Tuesday night fearing
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:17 AM
Dec 2022

that Senator Warnock was going to lose? https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217439238

If so, your post is right up that same alley: wrong and pointless.

Do you REALLY think Putin is smarter than Joe Biden? Really??? Do you REALLY care what MAGAs think? Really???

Paladin

(28,287 posts)
13. Can we have even half an hour of pleasure over the Griner release?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:25 AM
Dec 2022

I mean, is that too fucking much to ask?

marmar

(77,127 posts)
21. "is driving another stake into the heart of American democracy and unity"
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:44 AM
Dec 2022

A bit dramatic, no? First off, there can't be much less political unity than there is now. MAGAs are going to MAGA no matter what, but as the election demonstrated, their influence is waning, so who cares what they think or say?
Nobody will be talking about this next week.

Takket

(21,715 posts)
26. Biden eating ice cream riles up MAGAts
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:05 AM
Dec 2022

Really “how are MAGAts going to feel” is about the dumbest reasons imaginable to do, or not do, something.

You make that deal every time. In two weeks no one will even remember this happened except for Grindr being home.

karynnj

(59,511 posts)
36. I don't think so because it changes nothing re Ukraine
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:55 AM
Dec 2022

Unless Russia recognizes that it's annexations are not real, there can be no negotiations. In fact, negotiations have to be mostly between Ukraine and Russia. Not to mention, the earlier release of Trevor Reid. There is a reason these are on separate tracks.

karynnj

(59,511 posts)
38. I was just remembering when Secretary Kerry was asked about some people held by Iran
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:12 PM
Dec 2022

He explained to the Republican congressman harassing him about a preacher from Idaho who returned to Iran to convert people AFTER he was imprisoned and released once. The answer was that the administration had two tracks that were purposely not working together. The reason, he told them was it would be wrong to negotiate away anything that would make the nuclear deal stronger..

In fact though,, there was a synergy in moving all issues forward. When a US navy vessel went into Iranian water days before the deal was suppose to happen, it was Kerry who called his counterpart to get their release within a day.

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