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Ahhhh--now I get the pushback on Brittney Griner. (Original Post) Kingofalldems Dec 2022 OP
Trump is the one that should have been in jail. Meadowoak Dec 2022 #1
Trump has no room to speak after releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #37
So that's going to be the play in all this for the next several days Sympthsical Dec 2022 #2
Who is Cotton? Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #3
. Effete Snob Dec 2022 #16
Thank you. Treefrog Dec 2022 #9
Actually I am not surprised at all. Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #26
I wonder what the reaction would be if they had traded Whelan for Blout and left Brittany? ripcord Dec 2022 #13
It's a rhetorical technique called "poisoning the well" Effete Snob Dec 2022 #15
Ah, that's familiar Sympthsical Dec 2022 #17
Both posts, especially the 2nd are absolutely correct. Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #27
i checked out freeperville... that she's is LGBT, black, "hates America" makes them upset about the BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #23
No, but the people who continually attack Democrats are. Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #32
When all is said and done Sympthsical Dec 2022 #33
Loaded up with drugs? malaise Dec 2022 #4
Wasn't it personal use stuff? Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #5
Yep malaise Dec 2022 #6
Cannabis oil blm Dec 2022 #12
+1, it was less than 1 gram of cannibals' oil basically vapors of what was left from anytime in past uponit7771 Dec 2022 #14
CANNIBAL OIL Live Action Story Celerity Dec 2022 #30
He's an evil fuck malaise Dec 2022 #34
Whalen is the Russian idea of a spy, Turbineguy Dec 2022 #7
Whalen was captured when Trump was president. I didn't know this until I doc03 Dec 2022 #8
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #10
He was charged with multiple counts of larceny and given a BCD from the US Marines doc03 Dec 2022 #11
You know who trusts the Russian legal system the most? Effete Snob Dec 2022 #22
No. The real difference is Whelan means more the Russia Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #24
What did TFG do to secure the release of Paul Whelan? Kennah Dec 2022 #18
Praise Putin. Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #25
Will that extend to sarisataka Dec 2022 #19
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #21
No. Just the usual crowd always ready to attack Democrats. Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #28
Too busy selling top secret documents to make a deal! Emile Dec 2022 #20
Why did your best pal want that "absolute killer" back? moondust Dec 2022 #29
For the people upset about Brittany EnergizedLib Dec 2022 #31
Gee, I wonder what the response would be if she had blond hair and light skin... Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #35
Saw my first picture, that I remember, whistler162 Dec 2022 #36
That's part of it, but mostly, GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #38
Any time Trump accuses anybody of drug abuse, Emrys Dec 2022 #39

Sympthsical

(9,081 posts)
2. So that's going to be the play in all this for the next several days
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

Anyone who doesn't believe trading a man called "The Merchant of Death" for a basketabll player during a war was a prudent decision is now just like Trump.

Usual and expected move, Cotton.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
15. It's a rhetorical technique called "poisoning the well"
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:02 PM
Dec 2022

It's a common technique to increase polarization and conflict.

You start your argument with "While I realize that pedophiles and criminals will disagree with me, I believe (insert position here)."

Then, anyone who does not completely agree with you on the point, or may have a somewhat different perspective, is a self-identifying pedophile or criminal.

There are lots of examples of this at DU.

For example, calling anyone who had reservations about Michael Avenatti a troll:





There were red flags about Avenatti from the get-go, but some were more interested in accusing others than digging into the facts of Tully's coffee, his financial issues with former partners, etc.

Fair minds do not reflexively accuse people with differing opinions of acting in bad faith.

But there are self-proclaimed "troll detectors" who always seem to know the motivations of others.

So, it's a passive-aggressive way of making personal accusations against other people on DU.

Sympthsical

(9,081 posts)
17. Ah, that's familiar
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:09 PM
Dec 2022

Sometimes it feels like paparazzi following.

It's like a squadron of 1940s Finn Ops got lost in time only to be unleashed onto the web.

Kingofalldems

(38,461 posts)
27. Both posts, especially the 2nd are absolutely correct.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Dec 2022

Franken was trashed up one side and down the other by the same crowd.

And I will continue to fight. Don't like it? Alert.

And isn't there a rule against personal callouts here?

Sympthsical

(9,081 posts)
33. When all is said and done
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:57 PM
Dec 2022

I think it is the self-styled inquisitors who drive more people from the party than those who offer mild criticism of things.

But that's just how my socialization works. I can take criticism. The religious hunters of blasphemy, however, have ever been unbearable.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
14. +1, it was less than 1 gram of cannibals' oil basically vapors of what was left from anytime in past
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:58 PM
Dec 2022

doc03

(35,354 posts)
8. Whalen was captured when Trump was president. I didn't know this until I
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:09 AM
Dec 2022

searched Paul Whalen this morning, he was given a Bad Conduct Discharge from the Marines on
multiple charges of larceny. I don't think he should be held in Russia either, but he committed what
would be a felony in a civilian court.

Response to doc03 (Reply #8)

doc03

(35,354 posts)
11. He was charged with multiple counts of larceny and given a BCD from the US Marines
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:38 AM
Dec 2022

which would be multiple felony charges in a US civilian court. I didn't I agree with whatever Russia is holding him on.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
22. You know who trusts the Russian legal system the most?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:24 PM
Dec 2022

Anyone who willingly places themselves within the jurisdiction of the Russian legal system in order to make a few bucks or take in the sights trusts them a whole fuckload more than I would.

Johnny2X2X

(19,074 posts)
24. No. The real difference is Whelan means more the Russia
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:38 PM
Dec 2022

We’ve been trying to get Whelan home for 4 years across multiple administrations. Russia won’t let him go.

Response to sarisataka (Reply #19)

moondust

(19,993 posts)
29. Why did your best pal want that "absolute killer" back?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:52 PM
Dec 2022

Why not leave him to rot in prison at someone else's expense?

Isn't CBD more or less legal in much of the U.S.?

I wonder how foreign tourism to Russia is these days? Why would anybody from the civilized world want to risk going there and exposing themselves to the whims and draconian "laws" of an autocratic war criminal and his toadies who crave leverage over their adversaries?

EnergizedLib

(1,897 posts)
31. For the people upset about Brittany
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:04 PM
Dec 2022

Paul Whelan was dishonorably discharged from the military.

Paul Whelan was detained before President Biden was even elected.

Paul Whelan’s family, while dad their loved one is still detained, praised the Biden Administration for bringing Brittany Griner home.

Not that I’m glad he’s detained or that he deserves it, but if being critical of releasing one without the other, I can’t help but think if there happens to be racist/sexist undertones to it.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
36. Saw my first picture, that I remember,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 04:53 PM
Dec 2022

of her today. My reaction all along is she knew the rules of the country she was living and working in so TS.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
38. That's part of it, but mostly,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:22 PM
Dec 2022

it's their "Biden can do no right" affliction. Had Trump or Dumbya or some other GOPer made this deal, they'd be calling for ticker tape parade, and they wouldn't shut up about it for months. But instead, we're getting Biden Derangement Syndrome at its finest.

Emrys

(7,246 posts)
39. Any time Trump accuses anybody of drug abuse,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:39 PM
Dec 2022

he should be invited to go head-to-head on a blood sample with whoever he's accusing.

I say a hair sample, but in his case, you know ...

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