Is Sinema still going to caucus with the Democrats?

[Funtatlaguy]

I assume she will do so just like Independents Bernie Sanders and Angus King.
That would mean the Dems still have a 51-49 majority.

[hlthe2b]

1. She says she is going to keep her committee assignments, which she can't do unless

she caucuses with the Dems, so presumedly, yes.

[walkingman]

2. This is just a carryover to politics the addiction to "likes" our society has become addicted

[Celerity]

5. and her 'fuck offs'

[Mike Niendorff]

3. Or else.

If she doesn't, then it's time to straight-up expel her from anything related to the Democratic caucus.

And at minimum, her committee positions should be significantly curtailed.

Call her bluff, force her hand.

And if she wants to go full-on Manchurian Candidate?

Well, good luck in the Republican primary, Senator.

I hear they're really open to "I was recently a Democratic Party member" candidates down there in Kari-Lake-town.

I'm sure it will go well.

May the odds be ever in your favor.


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[JohnSJ]

8. She has said she will NOT caucus with the republicans, and plans to keep her committee assignments.

Schumer strategically is not dumb, and will NOT "significantly curtail her committee positions. It would be counter productive for the next two years, especially in regard to getting as many judicial appointments through.

2024 will be critical

[Mike Niendorff]

12. Prepare for 2 more years of bullshit then.

Everybody knew she was a con.

This isn't complicated.

Appease her and she will play you, and then she will betray you when it suits her.

Force her hand, and.consign her to irrelevance if she wants to continue this charade.

AZ Republicans will *not* line up behind her.

So if she wants *any* role going forward, she is *entirely* dependent on Chuck Schumer.

Let's make that point, and make it aggressively.

Joe Manchin is watching.

And you bet your ass he's calculating his next move based on how Sinema's bullshit is received.

The SCOTUS is currently deciding whether to gut American democracy ... and we're still appeasing those who stab us in the back???

Stop playing like this is a game.


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[JohnSJ]

14. It has nothing to do with "appeasing" or a "game". It is called strategy. You do realize that both

Sinema and Manchin have pretty consistently voted for Biden's judicial nominations

Her changing to independent will not change a thing politically for us in the Senate

I don't think the SC will allow the "independent state legislature” theory.

If they did that, it would be equivalent to a Civil War, where every state's legislature would determine the outcome of federal elections, and it wouldn't just be red states

The country and democracy would essentially be gone.

I don't think that would happen, and the final ruling will be 6-3 against the independent state legislature garbage

[Mike Niendorff]

15. Just for the record:

The final ruling on Moore v Harper will be 5-to-4 -- in favor of the North Carolina Republican fascists.

The language will be "first round" -- moderated in appearance, but laced with poison that can be exploited in subsequent rounds.

And those subsequent rounds *will* come. As quickly as situations allow.

You are fiddling as the Titanic sinks.

The iceberg has already hit.

They know it, why don't you?

Wake up.


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[JohnSJ]

18. That iceberg hit in 2016 when 10% of supposed self-identified progressives refused to vote for

the Democratic nominee by either voting third arty or not voting

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states. It didn’t take much

[Mike Niendorff]

20. You are 16 years late.

Donald Trump's "margin of victory" was -3,000,000 votes.

Negative.

The reason he weaseled his way in was because targeted voter suppression WORKS when you're dealing with a weighted-vote system (the "Electoral College&quot that allows some votes to count more than others.

And for god's sake, let's not forget the criminal SCOTUS ruling in Bush v Gore that *literally* stole the 2000 election for the losing candidate, George W Bush.

Where the hell was the outrage then?

Where was it in 2016?

Where is it now?

Oh wait-- I'm sure there's some great Grand Strategy hiding back there somewhere.

Right behind the white flags that have been waved for 20 years of this bullshit.

2022 was a sign of life -- the public *WILL NOT* take this anymore.

But dear god, what is it going to take to recognize the urgency of this situation when we are betrayed by false friends who have openly sold us out?

Enough.

I don't just want faint hope -- I want revenge, I want real consequences.

Let's put a price on dishonor.

Let's see what it looks like when turning your back on the betrayed majority has an actual cost.

Enough of apologetics.


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[Lovie777]

4. She will still hang out with the GQPs .....

She will still do what she has done in the past.....

I'm probably right that she discussed this move with McTurtle, Rmoney, etc.

[JohnSJ]

9. You realize she said she would not caucus with the republicans?

[Walleye]

6. She was feeling so left out, the other senators were getting more attention

[dem4decades]

11. she should wear more short skirt with high boots ugly outfits then.

[agingdem]

17. middle school mean girl Sinema was

pissed because no Arizona Democrat running for office wanted her anywhere near their campaigns..she's a pariah in her state and pretty much nationwide..if she thinks independents are going to embrace a vengeful attention grabbing brat she's wrong..the independent voters broke for Democrats...Ruben Gallego's run for Sinema's senate seat starts today, and he will kick her ass in a statewide election..

[qazplm135]

19. I think she realized

She couldn't play her same role with 51 votes so she artificially creates a situation where there are now 50 votes again for Democrats but since she doesn't have the ovaries to caucus with Republicans it still leaves her importance reduced.

Her only role now is organizational at the start then disappears after.

[JohnSJ]

7. She said she would NOT caucus with the republicans, and plans to keep her committee assignments,

which is pretty clear sign that she will caucus with the Democrats

[allegorical oracle]

10. Am surprised she's been able at all to win elections with all her ding-battery. n/t

[Johnny2X2X]

13. If she still caucuses with the Dems, this changes nothing

Her political career is over soon anyways.

[Thrill]

16. Of course she will, because it allows her to keep committee

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