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Celerity

(53,778 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:30 AM Dec 2022

Kyrsten Sinema has an 18% favorable rating in Arizona right now. Democrats: 5% fav, 82% unfav

Drew Linzer
@DrewLinzer
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Kyrsten Sinema has an 18% favorable rating in Arizona right now.

Democrats: 5% fav, 82% unfav

Independents: 25% fav, 56% unfav

Republicans: 25% fav, 45% unfav

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Kyrsten Sinema has an 18% favorable rating in Arizona right now. Democrats: 5% fav, 82% unfav (Original Post) Celerity Dec 2022 OP
Looks like she running as independent will hurt the republican party. Emile Dec 2022 #1
A Rethug like Ducey would destroy her in a one-on-one, there is no chance she will get Celerity Dec 2022 #4
And it is also good for Big Pharm. nt Tommymac Dec 2022 #16
Again I don't think qazplm135 Dec 2022 #32
I think she'll pull more from us (Dems/left to centre indies) than she will from the Rethugs/right Celerity Dec 2022 #35
I fervently disagree she gets anyone qazplm135 Dec 2022 #45
I think we should run a Dem against her regardless Celerity Dec 2022 #47
This polling data doesn't show that at all. lees1975 Dec 2022 #48
Gallego would certainly have a chance in a one-on-one against Ducey or any Rethug Celerity Dec 2022 #50
No, it won't. W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #21
I would not take the Republican approval number to mean they would support her karynnj Dec 2022 #41
Would you vote for an Independent who behaves like Sinema over a real Democrat? Emile Dec 2022 #42
No and I doubt a real Republican would vote for her either. karynnj Dec 2022 #44
Dems just won the gov. race, the senate race and sec'y of state race... brush Dec 2022 #2
It isn't Dems as a whole, it's only Sinema. Even if she is at 30% fav with Dems, that's still horrid Celerity Dec 2022 #5
Ok. Got it. brush Dec 2022 #6
all good m8! Celerity Dec 2022 #7
Phew! Because as posted it obviously had to be waaay off. Hortensis Dec 2022 #46
She's killing it. lol Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #3
Yes. Even with this switch, she's still widely unpopular and will lose... brush Dec 2022 #8
For her it's $ ananda Dec 2022 #9
US senators aren't going begging. The salary is good and most end up wealthy from speaking fees etc. brush Dec 2022 #11
She's only interested in herself. ananda Dec 2022 #28
I keep wondering why she favors so many sleeveless tops. calimary Dec 2022 #51
I don't see her having to do any work ever after leaving the Senate she is going to be on the ... Botany Dec 2022 #10
She knew she was very unpopular, her political career was over. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #14
When I saw some of the votes she was casting and her "look @ me" act it became clear to me that she Botany Dec 2022 #20
Yes the senate was just a stepping stone for power and wealth. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #23
Yes her mental illness is readily apparent. She is a grown ass person/US Senator not some 19 year Botany Dec 2022 #29
Yes she is very immature, self-centered, loves attention. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #30
Robert Reich comment ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #52
Actually, she personally will probably get $$$$$$$. She is screwing the Dems most of all. nt Tommymac Dec 2022 #17
Traitors are almost universally viewed with contempt. Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2022 #12
Thank you. Your last sentence says it all. brush Dec 2022 #15
Exactly. She flat out lied to her voters. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #24
Her numbers were low even before the party switch . JI7 Dec 2022 #18
No political payoff for her stunt. So it was about $$$$. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #13
Enough to buy many many schoolgirl outfits. Tommymac Dec 2022 #19
Here's a close-up. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #38
Here's the thought bubble version. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #39
If that's the case, it's in our best interest to replace her. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #22
If we posit that we do stand down, we hold no Dem primary, offer up no alternative like Gallego or Celerity Dec 2022 #33
The large unfavorability ratings across the board r NQAS Dec 2022 #25
She's always been one sandwich short of a picnic. rubbersole Dec 2022 #26
+1 n/t area51 Dec 2022 #36
Arizonans have an 18% fav rating of Sinema but only a 5% fav rating of Democrats, 82% unfav, OMG! progree Dec 2022 #27
More people than you at first read it wrong too! Emile Dec 2022 #34
If there was a far right nut job running as an independent Tribetime Dec 2022 #31
I agree Celerity Dec 2022 #40
She is trying to unseat Ted Cruz as the Senate's most detested person. (Oh, did I say TRYING?) TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #37
Nah, teddy will always keep that title. rubbersole Dec 2022 #43
She knew she was going to get primaried, and would most likely lose. Calista241 Dec 2022 #49
And we are supposed to believe this poll because? former9thward Dec 2022 #53

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
4. A Rethug like Ducey would destroy her in a one-on-one, there is no chance she will get
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:46 AM
Dec 2022

enough draw off from Rethugs and indies (there are only around 10% independents in reality, most listed indies actually reliably vote Dem or Rethug) to make up for the loss of Dem voters.

Even a full stop MAGAt stands a far better chance versus Sinema than a normie Dem like Gallego in a one-on-one.

Also, if she runs as a independent in a 3-way race (say Gallego, Sinema, and Ducey), that Rethug will win by even larger margins.

Her gambit is disastrous for us, not for the Rethugs.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
32. Again I don't think
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:12 AM
Dec 2022

It's a given it's a disaster for us.

I think she's going to very quickly slide into irrelevance.

No one likes her. No one is rushing to the polling booth to vote for her.

I wouldn't be surprised if she takes as much from both sides and if her final numbers aren't closer to five percent than ten.

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
35. I think she'll pull more from us (Dems/left to centre indies) than she will from the Rethugs/right
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:23 AM
Dec 2022

lean to RW indies in a 3 way race, especially if the Rethug is a Ducey or another non MAGAt type.

If it is a one-on-one, she also has little chance.

If we posit that we do stand down, we hold no Dem primary, offer up no alternative like Gallego or someone else, and then Ducey does run and gets the Rethug nomination, Sinema is likely toast in a one-on-one.

Only 10% max of the actual electorate are actually truly indie. Most independents have strong partisan voting records. Furthermore, IF the opponent is Ducey (or another non MAGAt type), Sinema will only draw off a TINY amount of Rethugs (Ducey won 95% of them in 2018, and also won 14% of Dems), and many indies will gladly vote for Ducey. He easily won by 14 points overall despite running into the buzzsaw of the Blue Wave 2028 midterms, and won indies as well.

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/arizona



In a 2-way race, Sinema will never pull off enough voters from the Rethugs and indies, and she will also suffer a serious drop off in support from Dem voters, I truly fear.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
45. I fervently disagree she gets anyone
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:53 PM
Dec 2022

From the left.
She's at single digit approval among Dems.

The only people who will vote for her are:

1. Folks who don't want to vote for a Kari Lake but also don't want to vote for a Dem, which is a null result really.

2. Anyone fooled by the whole both parties equally suck I'm a maverick nonsense, and it's quite likely those include a lot of voters who wouldn't really vote for either party anyways.

I agree it's a small slice of independents that aren't truly tied to one of the parties and none of the ones tied to us are voting for Sinema.

lees1975

(6,914 posts)
48. This polling data doesn't show that at all.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 03:11 PM
Dec 2022

And with Democrats now in a much better position in Arizona, especially in Maricopa County, I'd bet on Gallego's chances way above Ducey, who is not popular enough to win, or Loon Lake, the extremist.

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
50. Gallego would certainly have a chance in a one-on-one against Ducey or any Rethug
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 04:04 PM
Dec 2022

Sinema, nope, not against Ducey

W_HAMILTON

(10,109 posts)
21. No, it won't.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:21 AM
Dec 2022

I don't know why people on our side continue to think that third-party candidacies benefit us. They do not. Rarely, if ever.

Republicans like her because she is a thorn in our side, but you know who would be an even bigger thorn in our side? An actual Republican. So, given the choice between Sinema and a Republican candidate, Republicans most certainly will be voting for the Republican.

karynnj

(60,810 posts)
41. I would not take the Republican approval number to mean they would support her
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

They may simply like her being a thorn in our back.

If she runs, it is really hard to see where her support comes from. Her logic may be if both parties pick someone very extreme, she might get all of the I can't vote for someone that extreme.

Emile

(40,771 posts)
42. Would you vote for an Independent who behaves like Sinema over a real Democrat?
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:53 PM
Dec 2022

I trust Arizona democrats wouldn't either. Yes she has a higher approval rating with republicans than democrats. My thoughts are she has a better chance of siphoning a few more republican voters than democrats, but not enough to even be close to winning. Her political career will soon be over.

karynnj

(60,810 posts)
44. No and I doubt a real Republican would vote for her either.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:35 PM
Dec 2022

What seems clear is there is no way she wins a three way race AND no way she gets a 2 way race vs just a Republican meaning no Democrat.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. Dems just won the gov. race, the senate race and sec'y of state race...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:39 AM
Dec 2022

It doesn't follow that Dems would have just a 5% favorable rating.

Something's off. Maybe very mall sample size?

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
5. It isn't Dems as a whole, it's only Sinema. Even if she is at 30% fav with Dems, that's still horrid
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:48 AM
Dec 2022

Kelly and Biden are over 80% fav with Dems, per MSNBC.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
8. Yes. Even with this switch, she's still widely unpopular and will lose...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:03 AM
Dec 2022

if she runs in '24. I'm thinking she's a bit off. She's made some bad decisions in her voting.

Or maybe she's just trying to get rich and the hedge fund and pharmacy industries are filling offshore accounts for her or something, and then a move to K Street and lobbying...more bucks coming in?

If that's it, just trying to get rich, well, people do what they wanna do...

Being a respected US Senator is not small potatoes. And she's thrown it away as she won't be in the Senate in '24 after this laughing stock of a debacle she's made.

Rich maybe, but silly IMO.



 

brush

(61,033 posts)
11. US senators aren't going begging. The salary is good and most end up wealthy from speaking fees etc.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:23 AM
Dec 2022

Last edited Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:34 PM - Edit history (4)

Guess she's impatient and wants to speed up the process.

Just silly IMO, what with the mini dresses, tank tops (she's no longer a spring chicken), and thumbs down displays in the well of the Senate. I'm thinking she's a bit koo-koo.

ananda

(34,491 posts)
28. She's only interested in herself.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:00 AM
Dec 2022

So many politicians are like that now, and
it's ugly.

calimary

(89,129 posts)
51. I keep wondering why she favors so many sleeveless tops.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 05:31 PM
Dec 2022

She doesn’t have the upper arms for it. And for Pete’s sake, this is the United States Senate! I would ordinarily expect a bit less on the bare skin, in her position and for her age. Credibility counts girlfriend. You’re in the United States Senate, NOT on your way to the next garage sale.

Arrested development maybe? She dresses like she thinks she’s still in high school.

Botany

(76,460 posts)
10. I don't see her having to do any work ever after leaving the Senate she is going to be on the ...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:15 AM
Dec 2022

... board of directors of big pharma, insurance, and for profit medical providers along
with spots on the board of trustees for right wing colleges such as Hillsdale & Pepperdine
so once a year she will have to go to Hawaii for some meetings @ which she will really do
nothing.


Irish_Dem

(80,014 posts)
14. She knew she was very unpopular, her political career was over.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:37 AM
Dec 2022

It has to be the money.

Botany

(76,460 posts)
20. When I saw some of the votes she was casting and her "look @ me" act it became clear to me that she
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:13 AM
Dec 2022

... was bought and paid for because she was turning her back on the very same people who had worked so hard and
gave their hard earned money to get her into the US Senate but those little people's $50 checks are nothing compared to
the trillions of dollars to be made off our current for profit medical/pharma/health insurance industries. And those
industries just like the fossil fuel industry will fight and pay off who they have to in order to keep the gravy trains rolling
and I also think she is more than a little bi-polar too.

sorry to

Irish_Dem

(80,014 posts)
23. Yes the senate was just a stepping stone for power and wealth.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:28 AM
Dec 2022

She flat out lied to her voters to get elected.

When she got to Washington DC she quickly learned where the money was.
And who could help her the most in return for political favors.

Yes her mental illness is readily apparent.

Her statements about her childhood are so bizarre.

She claims she was raised in an abandoned gas station with no indoor plumbing or electricity.
Her parents failed her, etc.

Her parents were so upset about this they took her to court and showed receipts for utilities.

The people who live in the town say they have no memory of a family living in an abandoned gas station.
And that the city would not have allowed children to live there in those kind of conditions.

So we can see her narcissism and sociopathy.
Yes there is also a manic quality to her behavior like so many of the other celebrities/politicians.

Botany

(76,460 posts)
29. Yes her mental illness is readily apparent. She is a grown ass person/US Senator not some 19 year
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:00 AM
Dec 2022

year old coed "finding herself." She posted the pictures of herself with her look @ me outfit, glasses, earrings, and fuck
off ring after she stopped a minimum wage hike. She is a very damaged person.

Irish_Dem

(80,014 posts)
30. Yes she is very immature, self-centered, loves attention.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:05 AM
Dec 2022

Everything is about her.

She wants to be rich and powerful.

And will do anything to obtain those goals.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
52. Robert Reich comment ...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:11 PM
Dec 2022
Robert Reich about Sinema

Kyrsten Sinema single-handedly stopped Democrats from ending a tax break for hedge-fund managers and private equity executives.

Meanwhile, she received ~$1 million in donations from Wall Street.

Don’t be fooled: Sinema isn't “independent.” She's beholden to her donors.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
17. Actually, she personally will probably get $$$$$$$. She is screwing the Dems most of all. nt
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:00 AM
Dec 2022

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
12. Traitors are almost universally viewed with contempt.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:33 AM
Dec 2022

Not only by those they betray, but by those who benefit from their betrayal as well.

Most folks of sound mind don't respect, or trust, a two faced, forked tongued, self-absorbed backstabber.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
15. Thank you. Your last sentence says it all.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:57 AM
Dec 2022

She pulled a bait and switch act in getting elected to the Senate.

JI7

(93,261 posts)
18. Her numbers were low even before the party switch .
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:02 AM
Dec 2022

Which is why she did switch. To avoid losing the Primary.

Irish_Dem

(80,014 posts)
13. No political payoff for her stunt. So it was about $$$$.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:35 AM
Dec 2022

How much did she get for doing this?

Renew Deal

(84,709 posts)
22. If that's the case, it's in our best interest to replace her.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:23 AM
Dec 2022

Just for perspective, Trump and Bush had higher favorables with Democrats than Synema does according to this poll.

She will be a drag on democrats in the election. Pick someone really good and hope for the best in a 3 way race. We probably lose but at least we don’t stand with someone that is so disliked. One more thing to consider is that if she only has 5% favorability with Democrats, she might not take that many votes. I doubt she’ll hold most of the independents.

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
33. If we posit that we do stand down, we hold no Dem primary, offer up no alternative like Gallego or
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:14 AM
Dec 2022

someone else, and then Ducey does run and gets the Rethug nomination, Sinema is likely toast in a one-on-one.

Only 10% max of the actual electorate are actually truly indie. Most independents have strong partisan voting records. Furthermore, IF the opponent is Ducey (or another non MAGAt type), Sinema will only draw off a TINY amount of Rethugs (Ducey won 95% of them in 2018, and also won 14% of Dems), and many indies will gladly vote for Ducey. He easily won by 14 points overall despite running into the buzzsaw of the Blue Wave 2028 midterms, and won indies as well.

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/arizona



Sinema will never pull off enough voters from the Rethugs and indies, and she will also suffer a serious drop off in support from Dem voters, I truly fear.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
25. The large unfavorability ratings across the board r
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:33 AM
Dec 2022

Suggests that the well has been seriously been poisoned. It tells me that there is no confidence in political leadership and little civic trust. If this were a country, not a state, it would be ripe for being overthrown.

rubbersole

(11,005 posts)
26. She's always been one sandwich short of a picnic.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:50 AM
Dec 2022

This love for Mitch certainly has the look of a corporate money grab. I'd be very surprised if she ran for reelection.

progree

(12,751 posts)
27. Arizonans have an 18% fav rating of Sinema but only a 5% fav rating of Democrats, 82% unfav, OMG!
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:58 AM
Dec 2022
Kyrsten Sinema has an 18% favorable rating in Arizona right now. Democrats: 5% fav, 82% unfav


Anyway, that's how I first read the headline .

Now I see that it's Democrats who have a 5%/82% opinion of Sinema.

Tribetime

(7,071 posts)
31. If there was a far right nut job running as an independent
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:11 AM
Dec 2022

Maybe we could win if there was 4 in the race

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
40. I agree
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:38 PM
Dec 2022

Dem War Hero - Gallego
Corporate Shill Indie - Curtsey Thee Sinema
Normie Rethug - Ducey
Batshit Cray Trumper Vermin Party- Toxic Lake

Gallego wins

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
37. She is trying to unseat Ted Cruz as the Senate's most detested person. (Oh, did I say TRYING?)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:31 PM
Dec 2022

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
49. She knew she was going to get primaried, and would most likely lose.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 03:32 PM
Dec 2022

If she lost, and then ran as an independent, it would look like sour grapes and she'd probably handily lose.

Since she's going to have a 2 year history as an independent, nobody will be surprised when she runs, and she's gambling that Dems won't run against her because they fear she'd split the Dem vote. Mark Kelly won by less than 130k votes, it's not like it would take that many votes to hand it to the Repubs. It's a shrewd move, and if was played against the Repubs, I'd be super happy.

It's the same reason we don't contest Angus King or Bernie, it's because we'd split the Dem vote and the Republican would win.

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