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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout four-in-ten U.S. adults believe humanity is 'living in the end times' (Pew)
About four-in-ten U.S. adults believe humanity is living in the end timesPew Research Center (on their own site)
Periods of catastrophe and anxiety, such as the coronavirus pandemic, have historically led some people to anticipate that the destruction of the world as we know it the end times is near. This thinking often has a religious component that draws on sacred scripture. In Christianity, for example, these beliefs include expectations that Jesus will return to Earth after or amid a time of great turmoil.
In the United States, 39% of adults say they believe we are living in the end times, while 58% say they do not believe we are living in the end times, according to a recent Pew Research Center survey.
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Well at least it's not a majority, but I find 40% to be frightening.
DavidDvorkin
(19,480 posts)Celerity
(43,422 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)...all 39% are climate change deniers...
viva la
(3,312 posts)they are all waiting for a flood, and ignore everything else.
Mad_Machine76
(24,416 posts)if they live in certain places, they might actually get one.
Deuxcents
(16,254 posts)Its the end if you want it to be. Life is beautiful as you want it to be. Make good choices
Sky Jewels
(7,114 posts)Delusion, science-denial, fantasy, magical thinking, anti-intellectualism faith is poison.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)has done FAR more harm than good
Sky Jewels
(7,114 posts)msongs
(67,421 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,770 posts)They're the ones that -tell- you- they follow Christ, but don't at all.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So its not as if they arent following along
wnylib
(21,500 posts)I think that's the point that was being made.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)According to the bible, Jesus was pretty emphatic about upholding Mosaic law which contains all sorts of provisions most people today would find quite abhorrent. For pretty much any situation you can find a biblical verse to support your viewpoint and convince yourself you are righteous. You can hardly fault them for cherry picking the parts they like and ignoring the rest. Its not as if anyone else is doing it differently. No matter how you stack it, the bible is a horrible reference for morality. It works far better as a method of control, which is exactly how Jesus used Mosaic law.
wnylib
(21,500 posts)Whom was he controlling when he said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath"?
Or, when asked which was the most important law and he said to love God and your neighbor as yourself because that's the principle that all the laws and prophets are based on? He was emphasizing the spirit of laws over the letter of laws. When asked after that "Who is my neighbor?" Jesus told the Good Samaritan story, which emphasizes that helping someone in need was more important than following the purity laws of the priests. Mosaic law required priests to maintain physical purity after going through a ritual bath. So in the story, a priest walks to the other side of the road rather than stop to help an injured man. The point of saying that a Samaritan stopped to help was that Judean Jews considered themselves better than Samaritans, who followed the Torah but not the post exile prophets. Yet a Samaritan helped an injured man while a priest did not.
And, he taught that people are obligated to give food, clothing, and companionship to others in need.
Yes, people do choose to emphasize some parts of the Bible over others. And different people interpret various passages differently. The Gospels themselves do not report things the same. In some cases they contradict each other, like the genealogies in Matthew and Luke. They were written decades after the time of Jesus, based on oral stories. They are written from different perspectives and in different times, reflecting early changes in views.
Not all Judeans believed in an afterlife, but Jesus did and told parables about what we call heaven and hell to illustrate points about how to live life.
The Old Testament has some horrific stories from our modern perspective, and reflect attitudes and thinking from when they were written. But it also has stories of love and forgiveness.
How people interpret the Bible, or what they choose to emphasize, reflects on themselves, what they know of its origins and context, and how literal they are. To some, the Bible is very literal, and written as if dictated directly by the God they believe in to the people who wrote it. To others, it is a collection of stories written by flawed human beings who wrote what they believed about the nature of life. To still others, it is a collection of fairy tales written by and for delusional people.
Evangelicals ignore some of the best teachings ascribed to Jesus in the book that they claim to literally believe in.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)You may believe those things are benevolent and benign, but that doesnt make them any less controlling. The whole idea Jesus was taking Mosaic law and telling his followers what it really meant makes it even more so, not less so.
You hit the nail on the head when you said the gospels were written many decades after the fact. The likelihood Jesus actually said any of the things attributed to him is quite remote. So what we really have is a mythological perspective of Jesus rather than an actual one.
What does seem reasonable is he was a Rabbi that had his own followers and operated the same way organized religion has always operated. As far as giving to those in need is concerned, the real meaning is you give to the church and the church distributes to those in need after taking their cut off the top. Those in need wound up getting very little if anything as priority is given to spreading the word. Jesus certainly didnt revolutionize that concept as it was in place thousands of years before he came along and still operates that way today thousand of years later.
The mythological perspective has Jesus feeding people with tons of fish and bread with hocus pocus. The reality was he was taking in donations, paying his logistical expenses, and taking out a salary for himself and his workers whether modest or generous, and if there was any left over it might (or might not) have found its way to those in need. His followers were Jewish people of the area and decidedly lower and middle classes of people who would have had very little disposable income to give to him. Its hard to imagine he was providing that much in the way of support to anyone who needed it which perfectly explains the need for making up the literally magical ways he was making all those things happen. You dont get there any other way.
When you try to reconcile the mythology with the reality you are left with the undeniable conclusion those two things were very different. The idea even Jesus himself practiced what he is alleged to have preached seems pretty far afield from what must have really been going on. However much we think modern Christians stray from that mythology, theres no real reason to believe the first ones operated any differently. They simply take what is written down and form their own dogmatic and doctrinal viewpoints, which equates to controlling or at least attempting to control the behaviors of everyone around them.
wnylib
(21,500 posts)constructed quite a set of them yourself regarding Jesus, churches, the history of the Bible, and the control factor in teaching.
First, you can teach people ideas and values, but that does not mean that you control the people. They might or might not accept what you teach. By the concept of control that you expressed, every author who writes a book, every teacher in a classroom, and every person who interacts with another person is controlling people.
Mosaic laws were followed rather strictly and rigidly by some leading Judeans at the time. They tried to micro manage people's actions and behavior. Summing up the laws as being based on love, as Jesus did, is one way to loosen the micro management control on people and give the laws meaning and value in people's lives for them to develop their own guidelines on the social rules.
That's what laws are, social rules of behavior to have some order in society. Tribal societies, especially ones that are not literate, establish social laws through religious beliefs and customs. At the time of Jesus, even literate societies that had developed into civilizations retained a religious basis or justification for most of their laws. That was true in ancient Israel and later Judea, as well as in the Roman, Greek, and Persian empires. Religious and secular life and laws were seamlessly interwoven. Rome gave official recognition to Jewish laws and exempted them from Roman religious sacrificial laws so long as they maintained peace in Judea and paid the required tribute to Rome.
So to accuse Jesus of "controlling people" through his teachings is moot to the point of being silly. He was interpreting the laws that the Jewish people lived by, which were founded in their history, first as a tribal people, then as the nation of Israel, and later as the remnant of Israel known as Judea under Rome. There was no constitution then with a first amendment separating the secular and the religious laws and other aspects of life. They were one and the same.
Of course we don't know the exact words of Jesus. But social scientists - secular cultural and literary historians -who specialize in ancient documents, languages, and records have pretty well established that a common source of the sayings of Jesus existed and circulated among his earliest followers and was the basis for the written material that became the books of the Christian Bible. It is called Quelle, or more simply, Q. (Jokes aside, no relation to the modern Q of MAGAs)
No, they do not have a copy of this Q document. They have reconstructed it from multiple sources outside of the Christian Gospels as well as from those Gospels. It's somewhat like linguists can reconstruct the proto linguistic forms of modern languages by tracing their relationships to each other within a language family from tracing their root forms. There are many records, or Gospels, outside of the 4 in the Christian Bible. They overlap in several common areas from before there was a formally established "Christian Church." People were sharing the SAYINGS long before anyone addressed the idea of writing about the LIFE and death of Jesus and not just his sayings. Christianity as we know it did not suddenly appear during the life of Jesus. It evolved over decades and centuries.
The stories told about Jesus' life and miracles are par for the time period about other people, too, e.g. Roman emperors being divine and performing miracles. Those types of legends evolved after the life and execution of Jesus as a means of setting him apart from other people as someone special. That's hardly the same as your claim that the story of feeding a crowd with a few fish means that Jesus collected money and kept it for himself while giving crumbs to the people.
Yes, Jesus was a rabbi with a following. There were several Jewish sects or religious movements at the time of Jesus. Some were Messianic, each with their own view of what the Messiah would be like. Others rejected Messianism. The Jesus followers were Messianic and their views of a Messiah changed with time, especially after his execution. Jesus is Greek for the Jewish name Joshua. Christ is Greek for the Jewish word Messiah, which simply means "annointed one." An annointed one could be a king, a prophet, or a warrior. So Jesus' early followers believed that he was the anticipated Messiah. Messianic fervor was rampant in the time of Jesus among people who longed for delivery from Roman rule. To most people, the Messiah was the one who would lead the Jewish people in independence from Rome and restoration of the Kingdom of Israel (aka Kingdom of God), by divine intervention, or in a military battle, or by being declared King with the people following him in rebellion against Rome.
But it seems to me that Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef (aka Jesus Christ) was teaching a spiritual Kingdom of God, as a religious reformer rather than a literal political kingdom. This is also the image or impression from his teachings in Gospels outside of the Christian canon and from the various early Christian sects prior to Constantine.
The word "Christian" meant something very different among the early followers of Jesus after his execution. They were still a Jewish sect then, not a separate religion yet. Calling them Christian simply meant "Messianic Jews," or followers of a Messiah.
Jesus was an itinerant rabbi without a home base or synagogue. Synagogues then were basically community centers for studying, discussing, and interpreting the Torah and prophets. They involved prayers and preaching, but the sacred center of worship for Jews was the Temple in Jerusalem, run by several priests who were divided into a hierarchy. If you want to accuse someone of taking money from the public to benefit themselves and control the people, that's where to look, not to an itinerant rabbi from rural Galilee.
For some reason, anti religionists are very focused on money, often without knowing anything about how various denominations and individual congregations actually operate financially. The grifters are generally the mega churches whose pastors have TV programs, theme parks, private yachts and planes, etc. Or, they are Evangelical pastors in smaller churches doing the same thing on a smaller scale. I can't speak for all churches, only the ones that I am familiar with - Lutheran, Episcopal, Presbyterian, and Salvation Army.
The first 3 have church councils (known by various terms) who are responsible, along with the pastor (priest for Episcopians) for running the church. They are chosen by the congregation and are not paid. Depending on the denomination, actual paid employees are the pastor, organist/music director, a financial director, and a secretary. For the ones that run a day care center, there is the paid director and teachers. Their incomes come from church members. In some churches, the financial director is an elected, unpaid treasurer.
Financial directors/treasurers publish yearly financial reports that break down what was received in donations and fund raising activities and how it was spent. Nobody is "duped" into giving to charity only to have it grabbed up by paid employees. There are published budgets so the congregation knows what is going where and what the salaries of employees are. The churches have committees for various service activities (volunteer committee members) whose activities are budgeted for. Sometimes for special projects, they have fund raising dinners, auctions, or simply requests to the congregation for an extra donation. Those committees give out donations to secular schools for secular books and other materials, to homeless shelters, to suicide prevention centers, to mental health organizations, to soup kitchens, and many other charitable causes. The committee members vote on how to distribute the funds that they have and submit their vote to the financial director for approval and dispersal. My father was both a council member and a financial committee member, both of which were unpaid volunteer positions, for many years in one denomination. I have been a charity committee member in another denomination.
The 3 mainline denominations mentioned above also have immigrant and refugee programs at the national level. Same rules apply for publishing their budgets. I have been involved in their activities, too. Their funds come from the congregations through special yearly fund drives in some of the churches, plus designated envelopes in the pews to donate at any time. With their funds, they operate shelters at the border for asylum seekers, providing them with clothing, food, medical care, and a place to live for a few days or weeks until they are approved to go to a sponsor. Then the churches provide transportation to wherever in the US the sponsor is. While the asylum seekers are at the church shelters, they receive free legal help in navigating the asylum and immigration paperwork and court system.
The legal help comes from immigration lawyers who volunteer some time out of their schedules. The cooking, laundry, sorting of donations (mostly clothing) is done by volunteers from around the country who give two weeks at a time or more if able. Money donations go to pay for toiletries, food, utilities to pay for the nonstop laundry, rent if the building is not owned by the church, and for a supervisor to run the shelter and organize volunteers. Also for toys and books for children at the shelter and for any medical care that is necessary.
Hardly a get rich quick scam.
The Salvation Army provides shelters for victims of domestic violence, legal advocacy for them, and food and clothing for them. They also provide clothing, food, gas, and medical vouchers for people in need of them after a screening process to weed out freeloaders who can pay for themselves. Their money comes from members of the congregation, from their second hand stores, and from their Christmas fund drives at stores and businesses where volunteer bell ringers collect donations.
Several churches also have weekly food pantry donation boxes with lists of needed items to provide enough variety for full meals. Some churches disperse the donations directly to people who need it. Others donate it to a central community food kitchen or pantry.
Hardly a bunch of grifters. The donations and asylum aid are available to anyone regardless of beliefs or non belief, with no strings attached, no requirements to attend services or convert.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The only source you have for any of it is the bible which is hardly anything any historian would regard as a high quality record of anything. So whether you realize it or not, you are simply repeating what can only be described as mythology.
The difference is whatever I'm speculating about him and his ministry is fully qualified as speculation. That isn't mythology. You may not like the idea of organized religion being called a method of control, but that doesn't change it from what it actually is and always has been. Arguably it's the very reason why it ever came about.
I find it rather interesting you claim churches aren't about control. Even the ones you mentioned which aren't without fault and have only very recently altered their stances on gender and LGBT equality. The Salvation Army spent donation money lobbying for legislation which would allow them to continue to discriminate against LGBT.
Pointing to benevolence of the most liberal churches in America without any hard figures on how much they give vs how much they take in does not establish you as any authority on church finances. There's a good reason why all of the organizations you mentioned as well as virtually every other religious organization doesn't publish those numbers. It isn't just mega churches that are grifting as you suggest. The RCC and LDS take in billions yet release only a tiny fraction of that toward any real benefit to society. Both of those organizations run soup kitchens and have plenty of volunteers. That doesn't mean they are any sort of shining example of charity and benevolence.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)They follow some of the parts of that manual you don't follow. That doesn't mean they don't follow the same deity.
I get real tired of y'all calling these people "fake" members of their religion.
Tell you what--go tell my idiot cousin's fundie preacher husband that he doesn't follow that deity. The guy who really has read the book, cover to cover, and requires ALL of his congregants to do the same. The guy who does all that stuff about helping his neighbors and ministering to the sick and poor and imprisoned. He brings them food when they're short on money to buy it, has loaned them untold thousands of dollars to cover a $10 shortfall on their utility bills, and even does house repairs for people when they need them, while asking only for the help with buying the supplies.
Good grief, his wife, my idiot cousin, on top of all the visits to the elderly, the hospitals and the prisons, throws a party at the Sunday school for the kids having birthdays that week, with a cake she makes herself, because, for some of them, their parents are too poor to afford a party or even a dang cake. Or they're working themselves to death to stay afloat and are too tired for it.
And yet my cousin and her husband are both still right wing conservatives, through and through.
As an atheist and liberal, I don't agree with them on much of anything, but I won't lie that they they aren't followers of their deity, when I know full well that they are. I even find them admirable for their constant acts of generosity, however misguided I find the reasons for it.
You should be ashamed of yourself for judging people you know NOTHING about.
Midnight Writer
(21,770 posts)You had me going until you got to the punchline. Well done.
LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)I don't care who did the research.
The housing market is hot. Thats not about the end of times.
Silent3
(15,237 posts)Rational consistency across all of one's actions and beliefs is a rare commodity.
LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)Silent3
(15,237 posts)I don't have to know you to say your comments demonstrate an excessive faith in the ability of a large portion of our population to either recognize or care about blatant contradictions among the things they profess to believe in.
LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)About the same number subscribe to the batshittery of young earth creationism according to Gallup.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/261680/americans-believe-creationism.aspx
Like it or not we are surrounded by people who are heavily influenced by nonsense.
LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)I Dont believe it. Just another poll.
We just learned last month how inaccurate polling is, even the good ones.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The polling last month wasn't that far off and some had it pegged. The latest Marist poll had Fetterman winning by 6 points and he won by 5. It doesn't get any better than that. It's not even a question of believing it or not. It's just data, not a crystal ball.
But these aren't election polls, they are opinion polls. On the one hand they are harder to judge outcomes in the short term compared to election polls, but when they are repeated over and over with consistent results, you can be assured they are pretty accurate.
LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The polling numbers are simply a data source. Whether or not you chose to believe they are accurate or not doesn't negate their relevance to anyone who understands their value.
we can do it
(12,189 posts)LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,304 posts)adjustable rate mortgage.
Midnight Writer
(21,770 posts)Story goes that before the end, a pure red-haired cow/bull appear in the Holy Land, so the plan is to remove that obstacle by breeding pure red-haired cattle and sending them over.
Let's get on with it, then!
Mister Ed
(5,940 posts)... He's somehow not almighty enough to send a red-haired moo-cow Himself.
Go figure.
True Dough
(17,311 posts)Some American rancher is putting the pieces in place instead. This is my cue to cosplay as Jesus for the second coming. Sure as the day follows the night, we'll be able to scam money from the believers. That's how it always goes.
wnylib
(21,500 posts)Where does that notion come from?
Midnight Writer
(21,770 posts)wnylib
(21,500 posts)End Times beliefs in Judaism. Belief in an end times Messiah didn't exist in Judaism until after the Persians freed them from the Babylonian captivity. The end times Messiah belief is from Zoroastrianism under Persian rule. Judaism tweaked it to fit Jewish culture and beliefs several centuries after the period of Numbers was supposed to have occurred. I say "supposed to" because the actual book was not written until after the time period claimed for it. But I don't have the dates on hand for comparison right now.
J_William_Ryan
(1,755 posts)Christians have been living in the end times for more than 2000 years.
RockRaven
(14,974 posts)But that's just a coincidence, right?
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Can I have your car?
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...preaching the end times vs. love thy neighbor. It's not surprising.
sakabatou
(42,160 posts)True Dough
(17,311 posts)they may be right eventually, just for the wrong reasons.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)So this is quite a Black thing (more than Evangelical). And it's still at 33% among Dems/lean Dem.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)seems like at least 5% of that overall 39% number are people yanking the pollster's chain.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)End Times can and most certainly does mean different things to different people. Religionists may take it mean an fulfillment of a prophesy. Non-religionists may take it to mean the breakdown of society as we know it. The reason end times apocalyptic predictions exist both inside and outside organized religion is because we know civilizations can and do collapse.
wnylib
(21,500 posts)belief in an end times battle of good against evil came from Judaism with the belief that the Messiah would lead the righteous. Since Christians believe that Jesus was the Messiah, they developed a belief that he would return someday for that battle.
But, since the idea came to Christians via Judaism, why aren't Jews listed as a separate group in the survey? Are there any Jews today who believe that a final battle of good against evil will occur? Obviously not based on the Christian view about Jesus returning, but based on Messianic belief?
The idea of an end times battle between good and evil came into Judaism from Zoroastrianism during the period when the Persian Empire ruled over Israel. In the Persian version, two gods would do battle, a god of good and a god of evil. Judaism tweaked the Persian version to fit Jewish culture and religious beliefs. Christians tweaked it again to fit their beliefs and the cultures of non Jews.
Iranian (Persian) Muslims have a remnant of this end times battle in their beliefs. And there are still a few Zoroastrians around today. Given that they are the source of end times beliefs, it would be interesting to see their beliefs separately from others.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)people actually believe in polls!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,183 posts)LakeArenal
(28,827 posts)Edit to add:
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)But she's there - or at least times as we've known them.
From a climate change impact - she's worried about survival of her descendants in the end of the Earth as we've known it.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)1. Do you really think we are that special? I mean, in all of the generations that have existed and will exist, why would our time be chosen? Is that ego?
2. How do you know the end times hasnt already come and gone and we are what is left?
Buns_of_Fire
(17,183 posts)"Aw, hell, The Rapture (tm) happened about twelve years ago. Didn't anyone tell you?"
ProfessorGAC
(65,082 posts)Because part of that 38% might not really be meaning "end times" in the way it normally connotes.
It could easily include those so concerned about climate change that they believe there's no return. That's not Book of Revelations thinking, it's scientifically based worry.
But, they would likely end up in that 38%.
How exactly was the question asked, were follow-ups asked, were those follow-ups used to segment the responses, did the survey intend to only look for answers linked to the religious aspect,....?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)(and whether that would be after things getting really bad, or things becoming perfect) and, using those, I think the vast majority talking about imminent "end times" are doing so from a religious point of view.
ProfessorGAC
(65,082 posts)Because Pew is the same research team that earlier this year the % of people considering themselves non-religious has gone WAY up in the last 5 years.
Segmenting by denomination seems contradictory.
If it's 38% of religious people, that's quite different than 38% of Americans.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)It's at the link in the OP - you can read it yourself. The point is they show the results for evangelical, mainline protestant, historically black, catholic etc. - and also 'other religions', atheist, agnostic, "nothing in particular" ...
ProfessorGAC
(65,082 posts)I find it hard to believe.
old as dirt
(1,972 posts)Here's a link from the article.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2022/11/PF_2022.11.17_religion-climate_TOPLINE.pdf
BadgerKid
(4,553 posts)And not affect others.
old as dirt
(1,972 posts)Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)Chainfire
(17,559 posts)have not paraded under "The End is Near" signs.
From a personal perspective, I know that the end is near. Climate change is not likely as my bacon and egg breakfasts to be the death of me...
I had an uncle who was a hopeless alcoholic back during the 50s. He would go on benders that would last weeks. He was the talk of the county...He was found, early one morning, very drunk, passed out, by some of his drinking buddies who hauled to the local cemetery, laid him out on a grave and hid out of sight to watch him wake up. It wasn't long before the sun rose in his face and he began to stir. The story that has persisted for decades is that he woke up, sat up, took bearings on his surroundings and exclaimed, "Well I'll be damned, it is the rapture and I am the only one who rose."
The good ending of the story is that he soon sobered up for the rest of a long and prosperous life. I miss the old man.
I do not believe that the end of civilization will come quickly, but there will be decades or hundreds of years of a slow steady decline. The misery will be shared by generations.
Dysfunctional
(452 posts)But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." I stole that from Churchill.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)...the Trump trading card announcement...
lindysalsagal
(20,695 posts)Religion is killing us all.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)9 billion years from now when the sun goes supernova.
facts.
Silent3
(15,237 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 16, 2022, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)
...in about 5 billion years. Maybe enough to engulf the Earth, but even if not, more than enough to fry our planet.
You don't even have to wait that long for planetary disaster. In 1-2 billion years, the sun will be so hot it will boil the oceans away, even before becoming a red giant. Needless to say the planet will be quite uninhabitable well before that.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Only a billion years? Why bother!
roamer65
(36,745 posts)About 1 billion or so years from now the Sun begins its red giant expansion.
Only way to delay that effects will be to adjust Earths orbit outwards, ever closer to Mars.
Elessar Zappa
(14,010 posts)might include people who think were living in end times due to climate change. Its not necessarily purely about religion.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)"Oh, what's the point of making things better? Jesus is coming back soon and he'll wave his magic God wand and set everything to right." It's an excuse not to do anything or to make hard choices or to make sacrifices for the common good, which is antithetical to the way most Christians read the New Testament.
Paul had this very problem with the folks at Thessalonica. There were some in the congregation who figured that since the Second Coming was so imminent (Paul implied as much in his first letter to the congregation), it didn't make sense to expend a lot of energy working for the common good. The small group didn't have the wealth to afford the luxury of idlers, which led to one of the more unfortunate and misapplied passages in Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians: "Anyone who refuses to work shall not eat." This has been interpreted by some folks to mean that anyone who can't work (not "refuses to work" ) should just be left to starve.
End times or not, Christians aren't relieved of the duties laid upon them in Scripture to feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked, and minister to the sick and imprisoned.
Silent3
(15,237 posts)...I wonder how many respondents might mix in general fear of ecological, military, or other large-scale human-made catastrophe?
WarGamer
(12,456 posts)And I certainly believe humans are in the last 0.05% of our time on Earth.
Between nuclear war risk and climate change... this could be the last human dominated Century.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I think the human population in 2100 could be as low as 500 million.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Climate change deniers claim that environmental laws are tyranny but we all know that clean air and clean drinking water are both vital to a free society.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)and our beloved planet rolls right along with no concern......
and recycles our borrowed atoms and molecules with joy...
Hekate
(90,725 posts)But thats not a religious point of view, but rather a responsibility of the human race for its own demise.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Nothing more.
Nuclear war, climate change and/or overpopulation.
old as dirt
(1,972 posts)old as dirt
(1,972 posts)Here's a link to the questions from the article:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2022/11/PF_2022.11.17_religion-climate_TOPLINE.pdf