Does anyone give enough of a shit to watch the Harry and Meghan film on Netflix.

[3Hotdogs]

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An opinion pole on Sirius/XM, Smirconish got the lowest response in months regarding his daily pole questions.

[iemanja]

1. no

[Skittles]

2. no

I am disgusted by them.

[pnwmom]

141. David Olusoga is one of the thoughtful people you've missed out on listening to.

He's among several academics, authors, and others who help put what happened to Meghan Markle in Britain into perspective.

[question everything]

151. Lifestyle of the spoiled and boring

[Drum]

3. Nopes

[dhol82]

4. Nope

[NoRethugFriends]

5. No, nay, never

[Mme. Defarge]

6. Non!

Pas moi.

[claudette]

7. Not me

[Hekate]

8. Not really

[niyad]

9. william and meghan? william and kate? meghan and harry?

[Tetrachloride]

10. I want to see the Meghan what his name show more than

The View, Morning Joe/Mika, Phil Donahue, Wheel of Fortune put together.

[Firestorm49]

11. Couldn't care less.

[comradebillyboy]

12. Two very wealthy and privileged people whine because

they aren't as admired and privileged as they would like to be.

[pnwmom]

40. So you don't think racism matters as long as the target is wealthy? nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

102. There is no evidence of racism against meghan.

[Hekate]

103. There's plenty of evidence. The tabloids alone are disgusting, & I think Harry may be forgiven ...

… for never getting over the way the tabs hounded his mother out and contributed to her death. They tried to do the same to his wife, only with color added.

Other than that, I really have no interest in watching a tell-all.

[Attilatheblond]

189. True and well stated

Daughter bought Spare and watched the series, along with Harry's book tour interviews. Sounds like the young man has made enough valid point to bring discomfort to the throne. Daddy seems to be doing a rather expensive bit (for 'the firm') of PR to distract from the extra son's media barrage and funnel some British love back to the Royals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64319323?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

King Charles to divert Crown Estate windfall to 'public good'

King Charles has asked for a surge in profits from six new offshore wind farms on the Crown Estate, worth £1bn, to be used for the "wider public good", rather than the Royal Family.

The Royal Household's public funding is based on 25% of Crown Estate profits.

But King Charles wants to reduce this percentage so that more is kept by the Treasury to be used for public spending.

The King spoke of the pressures of the cost-of-living in his Christmas speech.

In his Christmas message, King Charles highlighted the pressures of the cost-of-living crisis - and he seems to be taking action to avoid what could have been an awkward surge in income for the royals.

Back in the olden days, an abused extra heir might have gathered an army of fighting men, pledged to disgruntled lords, and waged actual war against king and crown. Now, it seems most warfare is done in the media and Harry seems to be winning by the simple tactic of exposing the truth. Of course, Harry actually did a fair bit of soldiering, unlike the brother who got to wear the fancy uniform for Granny's funeral procession. He seems to think rather strategically and with more creativity than the traditionally aloof crown crowd. Reckon the young man has found the weapons needed to protect his wife from the treatment he was unable to save his mum from.

[tavernier]

112. Wow.

Perhaps your emerald green glasses are obstructing your vision.

[Disaffected]

115. Huh??

[Hortensis]

132. WHAT!?, Evergreen?

[FlyingPiggy]

137. Whoaaa. You're way off. The racism is off the charts.

There’s many instances of both meghan and kate doing the same thing and the toxic British tabloids approached meghan negatively and kate positively. It’s not once, either. It’s multiple times.

[pnwmom]

142. There is a mountain of evidence of racism against Meghan. If you had watched the series,

you'd know that. But you don't want to have your assumptions challenged.

David Olusoga is one of the British academics who explains, in the series, what happened to her. Here he is, discussing Black history in the UK.

[mainer]

185. Archaeologists: The first modern Britons were black.

"Cheddar Man's" DNA analysis (he lived 10,000 years ago) reveal he had dark skin.

The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.

The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough’s Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man’s origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population.

It was initially assumed that Cheddar Man had pale skin and fair hair, but his DNA paints a different picture, strongly suggesting he had blue eyes, a very dark brown to black complexion and dark curly hair.

The discovery shows that the genes for lighter skin became widespread in European populations far later than originally thought – and that skin colour was not always a proxy for geographic origin in the way it is often seen to be today.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals

[Bev54]

13. Well somebody does because it is being watched by millions apparently

Breaking records

[leftyladyfrommo]

52. 312 million in the US. 1 million something watched.

People in the US may be just curious but most people could care less. That documentary didn't help. It was pretty awful.

[Celerity]

157. US population is almost 336 million

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

14. I'm tired of hearing about them

[OneBro]

15. Seriously?

If it’s the Harry and Meghan movie or show or whatever they’ve got going on, I’d pay good money just to hear them say “Fuck Off!” to all the hateful assholes who swallow and regurgitate Page Six and Daily Mail gossip as gospel, then religiously follow Harry and Meghan so they can bitch and moan about how much they hate them, hate seeing them, hate reading about them, hate them, HATE them, HATE THEM. And for what?

They have done NOTHING to warrant the daily shite that gets thrown at them by people who don’t know either of them personally, have never met nor spoken to either of them, and whose lives don’t have jack shite to do with either one of them.

I heard Howard Stern and his side-kick Robin join in on the bottom-feeding recently, and they were going on and on about Harry and Meghan as though they were somehow causing them utter misery. After a few minutes of it I was thinking Howard and Robin -and anyone like them - should just f*ck off.

[Tree-Hugger]

28. This nt

[betsuni]

29. +1

[frogmarch]

31. Yes!

[secondwind]

33. Thank you!

[Dorian Gray]

37. Oh yeah definitely

They get more hate than Epstein BFF Andrew. It's so stupid, ridiculous, classist and racist.

I'm an American of Irish descent, so it's not surprising that I think British royalty is DUMB.

Having said that, though, still not watching their boring ass show.

[pnwmom]

39. I've seen the first three episodes, and they had some interesting interviews

from some UK academics, and covered some interesting history on the slave trade -- a history that explains the racism that exists there today, just like it does here.

[Cha]

107. Thank You.. I want to see it more

than ever now.

[yardwork]

119. I was pleasantly surprised, Cha!

I hope you enjoy it. We did. Mahalo!

[Cha]

121. I texted my sister in

Asheville, NC last week and she said she was watching it.

She really liked it, too.

Mahalo, yardwork.. that's a great Rec!

[yardwork]

122. ...

[Cha]

123. 😎

[brer cat]

44. +1

[obamanut2012]

59. +1

[TheBlackAdder]

77. Meanwhile, Howard spend two decades whining about his parents on practically a daily basis.

[treestar]

80. +1

It's fascinating to contemplate what people get out of this hatred - it is so made up, with made up things Meghan has supposedly done. What need does it fill for these people? Why do they bother with it? Then they claim they don't care and don't want to hear about her! Then they would not be posting anything.

[Spazito]

85. +1

[BuddhaGirl]

98. +1

[sheshe2]

120. +1

[Hortensis]

133. Won't be paying, but definitely with you in spirit.

No to meanness and intolerance toward others, whether from right or left, and all the rest of the appalling similarities.

Btw, there's nothing "progressive" about hostility to people because they have money. Populism generates the mobs for that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

187. Agreed. The ONLY time* I get angry when a rich person is talking is when they complain

about the privileges of wealth or celebrity, otherwise their issues are as real as any others.

I know nothing about them including the racism, so I googled and found this...doesn't take long to see the racism.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/13/harry-and-meghan-are-right-about-racist-britain-in-their-netflix-series

I have been amazed by the vitriol directed at Harry and Meghan after the release of their Netflix series (TV review, 8 December). It is only when one looks under the surface that it starts to make sense. They have poked at the identity of Britain.

Traditionally, British people saw their country as a robust white democracy, with global influence and a beloved queen at the apex of society. But this myth unravelled for many people in 2022. Our democracy was exposed as flaky and, at the moment of greatest political instability, our queen of 70 years died. Underlying all this is that many people in Britain, including the royal family, don’t seem to have got their heads round the fact that we lost our empire long ago.

*unless it is a con, then everything that comes out of their mouths infuriates me

[Hortensis]

188. Right. There's nothing personal in my commitment to extinction of

the uber-wealthy classes. They're real people of all kinds, not cardboard demon cutouts.

As I said, an aggressive anti-"elites" populist mob would be a much better place to find fellow resentful hostiles than a forum of mostly decent, sensible liberals.

[FlyingPiggy]

138. Exactly! 💯

[Skittles]

154. not everyone is enchanted by them

ya know? I USED to like them but now, UGH.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

168. The fact that Piers Morgan is one of the more vocal attackers of Harry & Meghan says a great deal

I have been following this story for a while and the attacks by the British press on Meghan and Harry have been disgusting

[Hekate]

176. Piers Morgan bears some resemblance to Tucker Carlson in his obsessions

Yes, disgusting

[LetMyPeopleVote]

177. I agree

[LetMyPeopleVote]

178. Piers Morgan is a jerk

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[RobinA]

174. She Has Had A Lot

of uncalled for crap thrown at her. I have defended both of them up until this point, but I do think they have made a number of large unforced errors. I mean, if the limelight is killing you, stay out of the limelight. Or more appropriately, don't put yourself front and center and then complain about being front and center.

I feel that they are not headed in a good direction,but wish them the best. I hope they can make it work.

[betsuni]

16. I watched the first part of the docuseries Harry & Meghan.

I think it's best to actually watch/read/listen at least a little of something before forming an opinion.

I read a lot of memoirs because I'm interested in other people's lives. Everyone has problems. This is Harry and Meghan's story.

Somebody here posted this the other day:

[rainin]

18. Excellent. Thanks for posting this

[obamanut2012]

19. Exactly

[marble falls]

64. Does the same apply to the WWE or Hannity?

[betsuni]

65. Of course. If you don't know about something, how can you form an opinion?

Why would anyone mindlessly believe something someone else tells them about something they don't know about?

If someone says they hate something and can't give a reason why exactly because they've never watched/read/listened, that's stupid.

[grantcart]

81. I find that quite odd actually

If you are going to make a judgement on the production value or quality of dialogue then you have to watch it to make a judgement.

If however the subject matter itself is offensive you don't need to watch it to form an opinion. There is nothing about WWE that I find redeeming. I object to the Manichean good/evil storyline, the scripted outcome, the exaggerated violence, the use of steroids, just to start. You don't need to see it to make an informed judgement on it.

In the same vein I would never watch "The Bachelor" or any show that trivializes marriage by making it into a media game with an artificial deadline and phony intimacy.

Not going to watch H/M because the subject matter itself has zero interest in me. I am going to quit Netflix (I had watched everything that interested me anyway) with a note to the effect that they are wasting millionaires on shows that have no interest, like H/M and I am going to get a better return at HULU.

BTW when you watch a show that you likely don't like just to see on a streaming service you are in effect voting for it and encouraging them to buy more like it. All they go by is number of viewers.

[pnwmom]

135. Why are you assuming without watching it that the interviews of the Black academics

and others discussing the UK's history of racism would be of zero interest to you?

[grantcart]

147. Because it is not a serious discussion of any academic issue

If it were then Harry and Meghan would not have been paid North of $ 100,000,000, yes more than 100 million dollars for it.

I have red dozens of academic books on UKs racism and have visited the sites of such atrocities from the East India Company engineering the Opium Wars of the 19th century to the British evisceration of the Malays with the importation of Indian and Chinese labour to studying how the Brits exacerbated Muslim/Hindu division by exploiting Indian Principalities. I could go on.

I even travelled to Ireland on the 100th anniversary of Easter Rebellion and walked the streets where it took place.

Serious discussions of serious issues are done with research, sourcing original source material and peer review examination. It does not involve paying a celebrity couple a hundred million dollars to share vacuous anecdotes about family interactions.

Bubble gum is not serious cuisine.

WWE wrestling is not a serious athletic endeavor

Paying a former royal a $ 100,000,000 to discuss his family is not serious a serious discussion about the sociology impact of race.

If Harry and Meghan had a serious interest in anything beyond their own personal interests they could have sat down with 60 minutes had their say and been challenged by informed and objective experts, but they didn't do that. They simply exchanged the royalty of the Windsor for the royalty of elite celebrity. A change of address but not a change in kind.

[pnwmom]

149. A serious discussion as an academic issue wouldn't communicate anything

to the vast majority of people who might watch this.

They correctly aimed the series at the broad middle swath of the audience, not at academic scholars.

If you really care about Black British history, and racism in the UK, it seems odd that you would discourage people from viewing this story. This series will reach many more millions of people than any of the dozens of academic books on the topic that you claim to have read.

[grantcart]

164. You mean you can't communicate serious issues with the vast majority of people

like Spielberg does with Schindler's List or Amistad or Lincoln lol

The pathetic maudlin fawning that some on this site have for this series is embarrassing, really.

The point of the series is to advance the celebrity of Harry and Meghan not to examine in any thoughtful way any serious issue. I actually like what I have seen of Harry and Meghan and feel immense sadness for the disruptive childhood that both boys had when their mother died and they had to endure endless public scrutiny. Had Harry and Meghan did what they said they wanted to do, leave the monarchy and achieve useful lives of normal people they would have been universally admired. That is not what this is about. They are using their inside knowledge and experiences to leverage a pay day of $ 100,000,000. It is not a search for truth, it is a successful effort to recapitalize Harry so that he can live like a royal without any of the obligations.

Now here is a serious story about English racism. After WWII the British Oil Company successfully used illicit means to tie up 100% of Iranian oil production and took all of their oil with a token percent going back to Iran. In 1951 Mohammed Mossaddeq becomes PM through honest elections and advises the BOC that he is going to renegotiate the leases and nationalize the property that belonged to Iran. The British retaliate with 100% trade embargo blocking all trade in and out of Iran. Mossaddeq is briefly removed from power and the Shah has to leave Iran. Massive public support restores Mossaddeq and the Shah leaves after a failed Coup.

The CIA joins MI6 in formenting Operation Boot that deposes Mossaddeq and restores the Shah to power and restores the theft of Iran's oil.

This has led to 80 years of mistrust by Iran and the result is that because of this racist British theft the US has made a strategic partnership with the demonic Saudi Royal Family. We end up supporting Saudi murder of millions of Yemens who are supported by Iran.

Iran's deep sense of distrust because of this historical crime now has made them perceive themselves alone against regional and western powers and the need to defend themselves with nuclear arms possibly triggering a mid east nuclear arms race that could have vast existential problems and ignite a world war.

Harry and Meghan? Nothing to do with historical British racism but the hurt feelings of someone who wasn't invited to something and somebody said something which might or might not have been intentional about . . .

Harry and Meghan were not kicked out of the royal family. Their financial support was not curtailed. They were not ignored or Harry's royal duties eliminated.

Harry exited the royal family, He cut himself off from the support and duties he had.

In their first Neflix series they are pocketing $ 100,000,000 and ironically are going to have more disposable income than any royal, all without having to carry out any of the duties that the royal family engages. Now in order to achieve this windfall they had to create drama and they did so by painting themselves as victims. They will go on and they will become billionaires. They could have separated themselves from the royal family and did what they said their objective was, to have a normal life for them and for "Archie". They could have gone back to graduate school and picked up an advanced degree and a respectable profession and made a contribution to society like millions of people do. Instead they pushed the full "celebrity" button and ensured that Archie will have the least normal life possible. The exchanged British royalty for a Kardashian style mega celebrity royalty that will be even more insular than a second tier royal would have had.

Again the fawning fans at DU for this type of tripe is maudlin and pathetic. Hey if your lucky maybe they will offer an NFT and you can officially join their fan club.

[pnwmom]

166. You express opinion after opinion on no basis whatsoever, since you didn't watch the series.

This is pretty much the definition of a know-it-all.

[pnwmom]

134. Do the WWE and Hannity spend a significant amount of time discussing racism

and UK's history of spreading slavery around the world?

[sheshe2]

146. That part of history was interesting to learn.

Also the Blackamoor Brooch Scandal

In the Netflix series, the BetterUp CIO also addressed racism within the royal family in a segment on the blackamoor brooch that Princess Michael of Kent wore to a 2017 Christmas lunch attended by Meghan Markle.

“In this family, sometimes you’re part of the problem rather than part of the solution,” Harry told the cameras. “There is a huge level of unconscious bias. The thing with unconscious bias is it’s actually no one’s fault, but once it’s been pointed out or identified within yourself, you then need to make it right. It’s education, it’s awareness. And it’s a constant work in progress for everybody, including me.”

Blackamoor jewelry, which dates back to the 17th century, is now widely seen as racially insensitive because of the way it feti
Ishizes slavery. After her brooch made headlines, the princess, 77, issued a public apology for wearing the piece.

“The brooch was a gift and had been worn many times before,” a rep for the royal said in December 2017. “Princess Michael is very sorry and distressed that it has caused offense.”

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/prince-harry-address-nazi-costume-blackamoor-brooch-scandals/

[sheshe2]

125. That was hilarious!

Thank you, betsuni.

I watched and I liked it. I like them and the charity work they are doing. The next part is on tonight and will be tuning in.

[Raine]

17. Absolutely NO! 👎🤢🤮 nt

[obamanut2012]

20. Yes

And, it is poll.

[No Vested Interest]

21. Not interested in any British "royalty."

[pnwmom]

38. Then you might be interested in the story of two who gave their positions up. nt

[No Vested Interest]

109. Not really. We have a huge world filled with beauty and knowledge.

I'm in my later years and don't want to give time to things that don't matter.
"Celebrity" doesn't matter.

[pnwmom]

118. And racism doesn't matter, either? The series has spent some time discussing aspects

of Britain's history that many Americans aren't taught in schools, unless they take a college history class on UK history.

Many in the UK like to pretend that they're too polite to be racist, as many are in America, but it turns out they have the same problem we have -- just expressed differently.

[No Vested Interest]

131. Racism is a huge problem, very complicated and inbedded in many cultures.

I'm aware of it now and in the past in UK. The British have been brutal throughout their history.
I am of Irish descent and aware of past British racism, involved inextricably with their colonialism, and it continues to this day.

You may watch all you want of Harry, his wife, children, aunts, uncles, father, brother, etc.
I choose to spend my life otherwise.

[LeftInTX]

22. No...If I was bored, maybe. If I couldn't find anything else to watch..maybe

[onetexan]

23. I plan to bc it's a human interest story & i admire

Harry & Meghan for standing up to a flawed institution propped up by British taxpayer money & racist jerks, Charles included.

[betsuni]

27. And they clearly love each other, it's beautiful.

Harry says from the first date it was fun and they were childlike with other. Exactly what happened when I met my husband. You finally meet someone you feel at home with, you can be yourself all the time and everything's fun, even a conversation or a walk around the neighborhood.

[secondwind]

34. It's really very well done, warts and all.

[Cha]

108. I admire them, too, onetexan..

Thank You, well said!

[jimfields33]

24. Good god no. Couldn't care less about either one. Two rich elites. No thanks.

[pnwmom]

162. Meghan was raised by a single, Black mother, with an obnoxious white father

who responded to her engagement by trying to grift off of it, and then by refusing to attend her wedding.

She worked hard to get where she is -- she wasn't born into an elite.

[betsuni]

169. +1

[jimfields33]

170. She was on suits and made big bucks. Trust me all actors are elite.

[pnwmom]

171. She wasn't born into Suits. She wasn't born into an elite.

She worked her way into a good job.

[jimfields33]

172. I don't care.

[sakabatou]

25. Look upon my field of fucks and see that it is barren.

[lunatica]

26. No

I don’t mind reading about them but there’s no way I’m going to watch them. I won’t put myself through that misery.

[Polly Hennessey]

30. No. Nope. Not me.

[Sympthsical]

32. They just want privacy, you guys

They set up 43 cameras in their home revealing their most intimate moments just to let you know how desperate they are to be left alone.

Really, attention is the worst thing they could get. Honest. Are you listening? Because they are willing to come to your house if you aren't sufficiently not paying attention to them.

Stop looking at them! They hate it!

Grift grifity grift grift grift.

I am hard-pressed to understand anything useful they've done outside of selling their own celebrity for cash.

In 20 years, we'll get another memoir from him about dumb decisions he made 20 years ago, and she'll be going full Amanda:

[pnwmom]

35. They were treated brutally by the racist UK press and they want to tell their side of the story.

The series also includes some historical information about Britain's involvement in the slave trade. Despite the fairy tale view of the UK from here, they have just as much of a problem with racism as we do in the US, and it comes from the same roots.

I watched the first episodes and I think millions of viewers will learn things they didn't know before they started watching.

[Sympthsical]

42. If it helps

I also don't care what's going on in People Magazine.

I honestly do not believe much of what she says - and I do not read about them in papers or any other place if I can help it. That Oprah interview did for me. If you can't tell when someone is self-absorbed and just making shit up while her husband looks confused by what she's saying, well, credulity is a thing. She's . . . something. And he's clearly kind of a mess, but in too deep now.

But the Narrative is Evil Royal Family vs. Hapless Victims of the System.

I mean, if there's nothing else on Lifetime, I guess.

Turning their cash grab into, "This is Serious History About Slavery" well . . . that's something. I mean, that just means their PR is working. Those people should get a raise.

[Raine]

113. Totally agree...

both of them are greedy grifters IMO. MEghan has been called out for lies many times, I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

[Lucinda]

50. Yep. It was clear to me

at the time, that the death threats against Meghan were bad, and were freaking Harry out.
All the anti-royalists moved their attacks from Catherine to Meghan...and the racists jumped in too...

[Dorian Gray]

36. Not really

I also don't want to watch the Harry and Meghan docuseries. lol

[Shrek]

41. Yes n/t

[Joinfortmill]

43. I hear it's gotten record breaking viewing.

[pnwmom]

161. Yes. Despite the onslaught of disparaging reviews before people could watch it themselves.

[hlthe2b]

45. NO. And any sympathy Americans have for them is going to wear thin...

as it becomes more clear that celebrity, fame, and wealth are AT LEAST as much motivation (if not more) for this as addressing the horrible episodes of racism and issues with the royal family and the British tabloids. I still hold sympathy for them but I don't want to be pushed toward the camp of thinking they are merely exploiting these issues for self-benefit. And at some point (maybe after the Oprah interview), I would have thought long and hard about how might be the most EFFECTIVE way of getting their message out and particularly the part of their story that might lead to change. I don't see that in their strategy thus far.

What is most disturbing to me is the likelihood that Harry will cease to have any real relationship with his father and brother with all this and what comes next. If by chance his relationship with Meghan fails at some point (just citing statistics, nothing else)--well, how sad that would be. He will have fully aired his grievances and then some, but did it serve to make anything better?

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. The problem is that it is filled with lies and distortions

It looks more like jealousy filled tantrums. The lies, as pointed out by others than the Royals, makes them look small. They should be embarrassed. The Royals stand above the fray and just ignore them.

[inthewind21]

83. Exactly

What lies and distortions? Be specific. Then tell us all how you KNOW they are lies and distortions? Did you witness personally? Or in typical fashion, did you hear "some people say"?

[Evergreen Emerald]

90. Lots of lies

1. Harry said they dumped his security so they had to leave England--that is a lie. As told by the security staff, they stopped security after he left for the US while in Canada.
2. There were a number of photographs showing how they were practically attacked by the press. One of the pics was from South Africa in which they had agreed to the photo. One of the pics was actually taken at one of the Harry Potter opening nights...before Harry and Meghan dated. Another was from another event unrelated to them. They were lies and distortions.
3. Megan said she received no information on how to be a Royal. That was a lie, as told by Royal staff, who said she was given a binder and a person to assist. She lied.
4. The editing of the Queen's speech when she was 21 years old speaking to the people of England when she stated that she would (paraphrasing) dedicate her whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service and the service to our great imperial family to which we all belong." The documentary edited it, changing the meaning and implying that she was only devoted to her family, which is a lie.

Those are just a few of the ones I recall off the top of my head. Yes, the lies have been confirmed by people in the know. The ugliness and jealousy spewing from the documentary is enough to make my stomach turn. And the Royals are above the fray.

[BuddhaGirl]

99. "Yes, the lies have been confirmed by people in the know"

So you believe these "people in the know?" These people who have been accused of leaks and deliberate planting of stories to curry favor with the Windsors?

Please. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and NONE of us will every truly learn it. The royals are also not "above the fray." They just have their lackeys leak and lie.

There's no way they they're not in the know about a lot of it given the fact that "the royal rota" has been exposed.

Bravo to Harry and Meghan for their courage in telling their truth about the situation.

[Evergreen Emerald]

101. You may need to do some homework.

Bravo: stir trouble, gain the attention they said they did not want. Attack the dead Queen. Put down the family who is actually making the world a better place.

Enjoy the wallowing in the mud.

[BuddhaGirl]

104. They did not attack the Queen

They are critical of the institution.

It is your opinion that the family is "making the world a better place." My opinion is that the Windsors wasted an enormous opportunity to evolve with the addition of a POC joining their family and they refused to try to make it work for H & M. The British Commonwealth is made of up a majority of POC and Meghan expressed that she was excited to be involved in that, in helping people.

You may need to do some homework yourself!

[sheshe2]

145. It was filmed months before she died.

How exactly is the Royal family making the world a better place?

[pnwmom]

163. They have never said anything that wasn't positive about the Queen.

And that entitled family who is "actually making the world a better place" has been assisting the racist British press in using Meghan as a scapegoat.

[pnwmom]

136. The racist Royals stand above the fray? Yes, they do.

It's so odd to see Americans get offended when the flaws of the Royal family and racism in the UK -- as bad as anything here --- gets pointed out.

[Lucinda]

47. Harry and Meghan? Yes. It's been very good.

[tavernier]

48. I watched it.

It was interesting. I was quite impressed with her intelligence, loyalty and integrity… up until she disinvited her best friend to the wedding because “it was too complicated”… So much for loyalty.

[Cosmocat]

71. Yeah, I found that not inline with who she seems to be

I think she sorely regrets doing it, but it would come off shallow for her to say that now.

[tavernier]

111. I've thought about that since posting

She was definitely being “managed” and at that point felt it impossible to say no to their instructions. I’d like to think that I would have drawn the line there, but in hindsight, I probably would have been intimidated into doing what they demanded.

[Cosmocat]

130. I took that segment that

she really was trying to be a team player.

It was stupid, imo.

Just own it, her half sister is a nut, her half sister's daughter has a big heart and was like a real sister to her.

Pretty simple.

I never get how institutions over think things and make situations worse instead of just telling the straight truth.

[Fullduplexxx]

49. People watched the kardashians show ... some lives are so empty that shows like that become poplula

[betsuni]

61. The Kardashian show wasn't a documentary and wasn't real.

But of course you haven't watched the Harry & Meghan documentary, right? Also, Kim Kardashian was a huge Hillary Clinton fan and wasn't stupid enough to vote third party or not vote in 2016.

[Fullduplexxx]

78. Meaningless distinctions

[AntivaxHunters]

51. Not one damn bit

Royal's wealth should be seized and redistributed to poor & working class people.
It's enough with the worshiping of people born into wealth. It's gross.

[Owl]

53. No

[pwb]

54. They do have the same Netflix in England?

They may like it.

[Vinca]

55. No. They're kind of wearing out their brand.

[bluedigger]

56. No, but Letterman's interview with Zelensky was very good.

[msfiddlestix]

57. Oh hell not, Binged on Borgen and Pine Gap (love Pine Gap) and Secret City (again)

[BootinUp]

58. negative.

[mnmoderatedem]

60. short answer no

long answer, still no.

[marble falls]

62. Nope. The "Royals" meh.

[avebury]

63. I probably will.

I know everyone likes to pile on them but I do think that there is some truth to some of what they say. The advance clip where Harry talks about the Palace protecting William is old news. They were both at some social event when they were both young and William talked Harry into do something that, if he were older, he might not have done. It backfired badly on Harry and William totally skated away without any consequences.

The true story is probably somewhere in the middle between Harry and Meghan and the Royal Family/Palace. I seriously doubt that I would trust the palace insiders (i.e. not the Royals themselves but their lackeys). I think that the lackeys think of themselves as more royal then the actual royals.

[Meowmee]

69. That was when he wore a nazi outfit to a costume party

He apparently blamed it on William who supposedly helped him pick it but who was not criticized at all for it. He was 20 years old and old enough to know better. But it seems he has really apologized now for it, more than when it happened, in this docu series which is good imo. When it happened it never seemed like the apology even came from him maybe.

[sheshe2]

124. He apologized.

He went to see the Chief Rabbi to make amends and a Holocaust survivor then a public statement.

The Invictus Games founder then detailed the ways he attempted to make amends with the Jewish community. “We sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound impact on me,” he recalled. “I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could’ve just ignored it and probably made the same mistakes in my life over and over again, but I learned from that.”

After the incident made headlines around the world, the former military pilot apologized for the costume in a statement. “I am very sorry if I caused any offense or embarrassment to anyone,” Harry, who was 20 at the time, said in January 2005. “It was a poor choice of costume and I apologize.”

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/prince-harry-address-nazi-costume-blackamoor-brooch-scandals/

[Meowmee]

153. I just said that

did you read my reply? At the time, it was never clear to me and to many others whether his apology was sincere and it seemed it was done because he was told to do it. Now that he has said publicly in the docu series apparently that he is really sorry it is clear that he regrets it.

[sheshe2]

155. Yes.

I was trying to reinforce your comment.

[Meowmee]

158. Ok, sorry 😹 ty😀

[sheshe2]

165. No problem.

It is a good program. I started watching part four but was distracted with phone calls. Going to start over tomorrow.

[MissMillie]

66. I've given up trying to figure out why people watch what they do

BTW, isn't it Harry and Meghan?


After years of "The Real Housewives of... (insert location)" I have decided that I would make a very poor television programming executive.

That series should be renamed. "The Ultra-Whiny, Spoiled, Entitled and Argumentative Women of.... (insert location)"

I get that every-day people enjoy a glimpse into the lives of the rich and famous. I just don't know how their "problems" turn into a tv series (or multiple series lasting decades).

I guess I just don't find it entertaining that "it's difficult to get a caterer on short notice," or "I can't figure out what new car to buy my kid because my kid totaled his/her Mercedes,..."

Harry and Meghan will have an audience, at least for a few episodes. The audience will disappear if their "reality" isn't juicy or scandalous.

My opinion only--and I've already noted that I'm probably a poor judge when it comes to this stuff.

[Samrob]

67. Yes...If Tabs like the National Enquirer can make billions spreading lies, I'll chance truth.

As far as dragging the family into scandal...well...one King gave up his throne for a divorcee...they told their story over the years and hardly an eye is blinked in retrospect. Of course, why should we care when it's ok for the Royals to say and do what they pretend?
After all, the real scandal about the throne is the history of Empire and colonialism that sadly bakes into the pie of being "Royal."

[Meowmee]

68. I don't have netflix and I would not pay to see it

Otherwise I would probably watch it just out of interest and boredom, and not watching the constant depressing news etc It is obvious she was treated badly and there was racism in the press etc.

I do think since that last interview they lost some credibility, I saw part of it repeated at some point by chance. It does seem they are using it all to make income now and they are so wealthy already. Also I think H, who seems to be isolated from his family now is going to regret the continued public attacks on them over time. Yes there were mistakes made but his father and brother are still that and it would be sad if they lose their relationship. His grandmother is gone now and I wonder if this was all planned before. It would have been cruel to do this if she had to suffer all of it. It seems like it was all planned maybe.

[MaryMagdaline]

70. Yes. Mostly boring and 1/3 interesting on how the press works over there.

Also learned something about British reparations to slave owners - only ended in the last few years.
Harry, the dim bulb, was way more articulate than I imagined. Meghan, the activist, is far more boring than I had thought.

[LeftInTX]

179. I'm nearing the end of episode 2, so didn't get to all the content

What I learned:

1. Only 3.5% of the population is black.

Just from what I've seen on TV, I just assumed Britain was more cosmopolitan...

Maybe all I've seen is London, but I do watch Indian movies filmed in London. There is a large NRI population and they seem to mingle with a significant black population.

2. The racist remarks were in the MSM (actual articles) not just social media..(As much as there was racist comments about Obama, they did not appear in MSM, but in the comments section and social media)

3. Yes, the tabloids seem to control elections

4. Brexit was also a factor

5. Meghan didn't experience racism in the US, so all of this was new to her.

Meghan's mom also never had "the talk" with her

6. Harry knew the tabloids would be brutal, but I don't think even he would think they would go completely racist on Meghan

____________________

What I don't get? Why so much vitrol at the wife of someone who will never be king???

Harry is fifth in line to the throne.
Although William's children are young, they are the heirs.
Prince George is second in line.

Prince Andrew went through a "phase" and eventually he charted his own course or sorta disappeared from public view or public attention or whatever...

I don't blame Meghan and Harry for leaving, but I would also not be surprised if they consider returning. However, being in the royal family is extremely difficult and seems to be an "all or nothing" thing, but you never know. Harry will never be king because he is too far down. They may be able to be assigned royal duties eventually without all the baggage.

I wish them well.

I also have nothing against William and Kate. It's not easy to be a royal. I would not want to be one!

India also has crazy journalism. Their "royals" are Bollywood stars.

The papparazi is absolutely crazy over there.
They will camp out all night just to get a picture of a Bollywood star's kid.
They stalk the stars wherever they go.

In the US, we just aren't that crazy about celebrities.

[Earth-shine]

72. They were talking about Harry, Meghan, and Netflix on the CNN morning show. Ahhhhh!

I should have just stayed with Morning Joe.

[Torchlight]

73. I'm guessing some will watch, others won't.

We may watch it sometime in the future at our place. Then again, we may not. Either way, it doesn't change the taste of mustard.

[Wounded Bear]

74. I don't have Netflix, but if I did I wouldn't...

[mcar]

75. We thought the first 3 episodes were good

Looking forward to the next 3.

[sheshe2]

156. It is very good.

Just started the 4th series tonight.

Fact, Diana would be so proud of them.

[mcar]

160. What they put these women through

who had the nerve to be kind, compassionate females.

[myohmy2]

76. sure...

...$100 to $150 million they supposedly received from Netfilx for the series...

...I have no sympathy or empathy for the trials and tribulations of the world's richest welfare family...or the rich, powerful and famous...but I'll still watch...

...mainly because I love to see turmoil in high places...

...

[panader0]

79. I think the royals should all get real jobs and give their wealth to the poor people of the UK.

I admire Harry and Meghan for dumping the lot of them, but they should not have made such
a big show about it. It's like those who quit DU with a big GCW post. Just quit and be done with it.
And no, I haven't seen the show and don't plan on it.

[onetexan]

84. They have to support themselves, and there are other ppl with absolutely no talent like the kardash

trashy women and other shows - if they're able to tell their story and profit off of it why not Harry & Meghan? I think it's great for them and their storytelling will help effect change in society. These are 2 decent human beings with a beautiful love story & a compelling history. They should be making money and keep promoting the good work of helping people. Harry founded the Invictus Games to help vets around the world, and has carried on many of his mother's charity work. Meghan has & continues to help promote women's causes globally. She is independent, fearless and speaks her mind.
Agree w you on the disbanding of the royal family but as long as the Brits want them around to bring in tourism dollars they're not going away anytime soon.

As for the British royals' money...part with their vast wealth and have to do real work for once in their lives? Heck no!

[inthewind21]

82. I'd say NO

Since there is no William and Meghan film on Netflix.

[Lucinda]

128. ❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[PragmaticLiberal]

86. Yes, I do.

[Dysfunctional]

87. I was watching her yesterday.

I am binge-watching Fringe.

[BannonsLiver]

88. You seem like you might be interested in it given the thread.

Maybe you should do a “pole”.

[Raftergirl]

89. My 93 yr old mom is watching.

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She said it was very interesting and illuminating.

I watch Real Housewives so I don’t criticize what anyone else chooses to watch.

[TxGuitar]

91. Within reason, no one should criticize another's entertainment choices

Obvioiusly if that entertainment involves real violent acts, abuse, etc it's wrong but if someone wants to watch the Kardashians or Harry and Meghan or Star Trek who cares?
Perhaps the OP should provide a list of shows they watch so we can make fun of them too.

[LeftInTX]

173. Thread winner

[milestogo]

92. No.

[Kaleva]

93. If it wasn't for posts like this one, I wouldn't hear it read anything about tgem

[kairos12]

94. Absolutely not.

[helpisontheway]

95. I watched the first part. I enjoyed it. I have been interested in totals since Princess Diana. Nt

[Luciferous]

96. Nope

[yardwork]

97. I watched the first three episodes and enjoyed them.

They're a lot nicer and more interesting than the tabloids make them out to be - kind of like Democrats.

If you aren't interested, skip it.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

100. Yes.

[BuddhaGirl]

105. I watched the series

I found them genuine. At least they had the opportunity to tell their side of the story.

[Voltaire2]

106. I have zero shits to give for that.

It's lumped in with my No Play list of other 'tears of the billionaires' shows.

[phylny]

110. Yes, I'm enjoying it. nt

[Brainfodder]

114. Zero interest.

WHO?

[ProfessorGAC]

116. No Interest

Even here in this thread, among those watching it, I don't see anything that makes me interested.
There's already enough reality TV. I don't watch most of that either.

[jalan48]

117. I'm waiting to see something about Camilla, she looks pretty interesting (and she's rich!)

[brooklynite]

126. No, but neither did I ever watch THE CROWN or anything dealing with the UK Royals.

[FakeNoose]

127. If I do watch this mini-series I'll never tell anyone on DU

You guys would rake me over the coals.

[yagotme]

129. Nope, nope, nope.

[Act_of_Reparation]

139. Pole questions.

[FlyingPiggy]

140. I found it VERY interesting the relationship Brits have w toxic tabloids.

So weird. It’s as if we had an obsession w The National Enquirer.

[LeftInTX]

186. We're getting there!

The tabloids are huge Trump supporters

[pnwmom]

143. The Black British history we're not taught in schools isn't taught in the UK, either.

David Olusoga, who studies this history, is one of those whose views are included in the Harry and Meghan series.

And he confirms the racism that Meghan was subject to.

[Genki Hikari]

144. Who?

I wish people would provide things like last names so the rest of us might know what this is about.

[sheshe2]

167. Well first, the Op misnamed Harry for William.

It is Harry and Megan.

Prince Harry's full name is Prince Henry Charles Albert David, Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton, and Baron Kilkeel (formerly Prince Harry of Wales). Meghan Markle is his wife.

[MustLoveBeagles]

148. I'll watch it if I can ever get the remote from my husband

[miyazaki]

150. Get an extra one from Ebay.

[MustLoveBeagles]

152. Lol

Thanks for that. I was only being half serious. I could just say " I want that remote dammit!"

[H2O Man]

159. I like that

they divorced the "royal" bullshit. I'm not really likely to watch it, though there are worse things ..... like the concept of "royalty." And they seem like nice enough young people.

[peggysue2]

175. I watched it

Been down sick this week with a nasty virus, so I flipped it on. Not much of a royal fan but I think the series is relevant as an example of what hateful, toxic tabloid-journalism and social media does to people, how it can tear open individuals, even societies. Strong, speak-your-mind women seem to be a favorite target. Personally, I found the royals' pact with the devil (the media) disgusting, all so the 'institution' itself survives.

It's also an example of how outdated and self-serving monarchies truly are. Think Windsor lost a huge opportunity to stay at least somewhat relevant by dumping Harry and Meghan who were so popular with the public. Until the endless hit jobs, that is. They've both done an immense amount of charity work and outreach to marginalized communities and Meghan in particular was a perfect bridge to the Commonwealth, most of which is populated by people of color.

Found the two of them attractive, engaging and obviously devoted to one another and their kids. They were treated shabbily but I suspect they'll do some good in the world.

[MineralMan]

180. A shit? Not even a dry popcorn fart...

[bigtree]

181. I might

...I do have some interest in hearing first hand about the denigrating of the young woman, and certainly wish this couple well.

I don't believe it's immensely important, but people have maintained interest in much less consequential matters and individuals than this. It appears, though, that their deriders keep them in the news and the subject of more posts than their supporters and admirers.

[beaglelover]

182. Yes, we watched the first 3 and will watch the rest soon.

[mainer]

183. British media just proved Meghan and Harry's point

Jeremy Clarkson's horrifying comments about Meghan "I hate her on a cellular level" writing that he wants to see her stripped naked and forced to walk through England as excrement is flung at her, shows that M and H were justified in fleeing the UK. What has she done that's so horrible, exactly? She never said anything bad about the Queen. She and Harry performed their duties with panache, until the press started nitpicking her every move (OMG she ate an avocado! OMG she touched her baby bump!) to the point where she felt attacked and paranoid. I challenge anyone here to stand up to such constant, public bullying. Kids commit suicide over such social media attacks. No wonder she was depressed.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/media/jeremy-clarkson-duchess-of-sussex-the-sun-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

[yardwork]

184. Yes, the royal family blew it, big time.

Anyone wondering if Meghan and Harry were overreacting just got a real-time example of what they're talking about.

Kind of mind blowing, really.