The J6 Committee's exceptional achievement cannot be overestimated.

[Beastly Boy]

And it has nothing to do with the DOJ.

Remember, Benedict Arnold was never tried for his treason or convicted. Yet, his shameful place in America's history is now cemented forever. Trump's equally shameful place in history has now been made a matter of record, witnessed by millions of Americans, and will mark Trump's inglorious end no matter what other developments may happen later. That's a monumental achievement.

It is unlikely but not out of the question that Trump, like Arnold, may flee the country and escape justice. Today's report insures that he does not escape the everlasting condemnation for what he has done to our country. The referrals to indict him and to censure several lawmakers are just a hefty portion of icing on the cake, and will surely make a substantial impact on the course of DOJ's investigation.

As far as DOJ's work, stay tuned. It's far from being over.

[SheltieLover]

1. What are the 4 charges?

Sorry. Late to the party.

[TigressDem]

4. LINK

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217478730

[SheltieLover]

5. Tyvm!

[TigressDem]

6. URWelcome! nt

[TigressDem]

2. THE BEST THING? At very least, he will NEVER be able to run for pRez again.

Whether they plead insanity or he flees. He's DONE-Don.

[louis-t]

3. It depends on if the DOJ has the stones to try a former

so-called 'president'.

[SheltieLover]

7. SC Smith does!

[drray23]

18. ultimately he does not make the call

so it's irrelevant. Garland ultimately decides if he wants to press charges.

[SheltieLover]

21. Of course AG Garland is relevant

But would he have hired a super heavy hitter to not prosecute?

I guess time will tell!

[drray23]

36. that is what gives me hope.

I am just worried AG Garland will hesitate. I do not think Jack Smith will hesitate.

[SheltieLover]

39. I don't think Garland would yank Smith around that way, tbh.

If I were Smith, I would have negotiated an understanding that everything gets prosecuted.

Nail tfg & other ruskie assets to the wall.

But, then again, I'd write laws with zero loopholes, mandatory sentencing, & very severe penalties for those in positions of power. No "maybes" about prosecuting...

[ancianita]

41. You're absolutely right.

It doesn't matter how Garland feels -- Smith can quote Garland back to Garland -- when Smith makes sure the facts and law apply.

[SheltieLover]

42. Yup

That would be a terrible thing to do to Smith! Complete waste of time!

[ancianita]

43. ...

a terrible thing to do to the country and democracy, too.

[electric_blue68]

44. I just can't quite think that AG Garland picking Jack Smith with a record of...

prosecuting crimes in The Hauge, for goodness sake's - isn't serious about obtaining criminal charges for drumphf & Co.

[ancianita]

28. Not true. Garland has given him complete free rein. There are formal rules that apply to

Special Counsel. And Garland would NEVER appoint a Special Counsel and insist on having the last word.

[drray23]

37. well not quite but there is hope

As you said, if he appointed Jack Smith maybe he has made up his mind.

From the letter he wrote about the appointment:

As Special Counsel, he will exercise independent prosecutorial judgment to decide whether charges should be brought. Although the Special Counsel will not be subject to the day-to-day supervision of any official of the Department, he must comply with the regulations, procedures, and policies of the Department.

The sticking point is that "he must comply with the regulations, procedures, and policies of the Department".


That policy is that the AG should sign off on indictments for politicians or other bigwigs.


For reference, here is the full letter:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-delivers-remarks-appointment-special-counsel

[ancianita]

40. Garland will sign off on what Smith does. There will be no sticking point; Smith isn't the sort to

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challenge DOJ structure. He worked in the DOJ. Headed up a division of the DOJ. If you have any specific "regulations, procedures, and policies" you think are possible sticking points, pleas link it/them. This quote is Garland simply assuring the nation that his appointment isn't political. And because no target is more special than another; if Trump were, he'd be treated as if he really is above the law. Special Counsel further separates the AG from any previous governmental connections.

From wikipedia: Generally, the special counsel him or herself decides when an investigation will terminate, with or without formal charges being pursued. The special counsel typically issues a final report on their investigation at this time. The current special counsel regulations specify that[6] "At the conclusion of the Special Counsel's work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel." My emphasis is on explaining. As in not seeking approval.

Garland didn't appoint him and say, "Mr. Smith is the right choice to complete these matters in an even-handed and urgent manner” only to override him. More on this. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2016-title28-vol2/pdf/CFR-2016-title28-vol2-part600.pdf

Smith has coequal power to work this case as Garland would do it if he weren't also having to run 13 major sections within the largest law firm on the planet. All the doubt talk does is create FUD here, as if Smith is some kind of assistant. He's anything but.

[Cha]

9. No worries.. the DOJ has all the

so called "Stones" & so does SC Jack Smith.. DOJ's pick for SC.

[SheltieLover]

22. Absolutely!

Aloha! 🌺

[Cha]

24. Aloha, Sheltie!

[Beastly Boy]

11. That's the beauty of separating the J6 and the DOJ investigations. Nothing depends on DOJ.

The J6 Committee has Trump branded a criminal, although not in the legal sense of it. What DOJ will do is above and beyond this monumental achievement of the J6 committee.

[malaise]

15. THIS

IS THE TRUTH

[mcar]

23. They do

there would have been no reason to appoint Smith otherwise.

[Cha]

8. Mahalo, Beastly Boy! The J6C

has done a Brillian Job for our country and her Democracy.

And yes.. "The DOJ's work is far from Over."

[Beastly Boy]

12. Aloha Cha!

This is a BFD!

[Cha]

14. Yes! What an Historic Episode

in all our lives!

[FakeNoose]

10. Christmas Greetings to Chump from Jack Smith and the J-6 Committee

[malaise]

16. This needs to be an OP

Freaking fabulous

[ancianita]

29. Haha! Great!

[Chainfire]

13. I agree that they have done a great job of putting the information in front of the people, and

In the final days of the session, have prevented the information from being swept under the rug by the incoming congress. It felt good to watch, but until the DOJ acts on it, it is just all circus.

[Beastly Boy]

20. The job they have done is historically unprecedented.

And the whole point of their work is that DOJ doesn't have to act on their findings. The J6 committee has already made sure that Trump goes in history as a traitor. DOJ can now make it a criminal verdict, whether it acts on the committee's referrals or otherwise.

The fact has been already established. That's one hell of a circus!

[malaise]

25. And never forget the role of the Speaker

Nancy Pelosi

[Beastly Boy]

26. Indeed. She is the dynamo that

has been powering this Congress all that time.

[electric_blue68]

38. I think your Benedict Arnold analogy is totally apt - that name has echoed down as synominous with..

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TRAITOR


And there he was, and now here they are.

[honest.abe]

19. Its great but what's the likelihood of Trump being convicted of any of these crimes??

[BannonsLiver]

27. He'd have to be charged to get convicted.

It’s really on the DOJ at this point, and specifically Garland. You can draw your own conclusions about the probability he charges Trump. I already have drawn my own.

[honest.abe]

34. Im skeptical but hopeful.

[Genki Hikari]

45. It's not on Garland

It's on a grand jury to get him indicted.

[BannonsLiver]

47. Except that it is. So there's that.

🤷

[ancianita]

30. Pretty likely.

There's evidence beyond reasonable doubt for all the charges.

[honest.abe]

32. I like your answer!

[FakeNoose]

31. I believe he'll be charged of several crimes

We'll have trials, and I sincerely hope he'll be convicted.

Whether or not a federal judge will sentence him to prison time ... well, that's another story.

I'm not sure Chump will ever be sent to prison, and I'm coming to the conclusion that prison time is secondary. As long as he's convicted of high crimes in office, then he can never run for President or any office ever again. The judge(s) including the Supreme Court bench may never send him to prison.

Is it fair, is it ideal? Well no, but it's secondary. The CONVICTION of high crimes in office is primary.

Also BIG FINES and TAXES - make him a pauper.

[honest.abe]

33. That would be wonderful!

[electric_blue68]

35. Yes, Beastie Boy. It was of Critical Importance...

Even if we don't know if the DOJ will indict (I still believe they might)...

These J6 Referral were Critical as:
A Statement of Truth,
A Declaration of Consequences,
To be Etched in History!

[Genki Hikari]

46. DOJ can't indict anyone

Grand juries indict.

[electric_blue68]

48. Sheeeesh. .. People KNOW What I meant/mean