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Botany

(70,614 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:29 PM Dec 2022

So Trump told Putin he could have Mariupol and the Donbas if Putin put him into the White House ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217498446


.... using Manafort's help? It wasn't just polling data but data analytics (or what could be turned into D.A.) that Manafort
gave Kilimnik and Manafort has admitted to doing so too.
https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-exclusive-interview-trump-campaign-polling-data-russia-kilimnik-2022-8


And now remember that Manafort tried to flee America last spring but got stopped from getting on to
a plane to the UAE which has no extradition treaty with America. (I think)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/politics/manafort-passport-revoked/index.html

And the republicans including McConnell (he was told by the Obama administration), Paul Ryan, Steve Scalise,
McCarthy all knew Trump was "Russian dirty," along w/all those GOP Senators who got Russian money via the NRA,
and somehow Fox News was player in that Russian mix too.
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So Trump told Putin he could have Mariupol and the Donbas if Putin put him into the White House .... (Original Post) Botany Dec 2022 OP
....And, we are still waiting for the release of Quakerfriend Dec 2022 #1
And the full transcript and recording of Trump's call leaning on Zelenskyy to find dirt on Biden as Botany Dec 2022 #2
Yes, many of the puzzle pieces have Quakerfriend Dec 2022 #6
And yet the Democratically controlled congress opted not to release it Lucky Luciano Dec 2022 #13
Release the full report and bring charges for all the crimes Trump committed. lees1975 Dec 2022 #19
Get that translator now! ! ! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2022 #7
THIS! THIS! THIS! OMGWTF Dec 2022 #9
We are told that a translator prepares a Mem Con (memo of conversation).. Grasswire2 Dec 2022 #42
Didn't Orange Julius confiscate the interpreters notes more than once? Direct conversations w/ Vlad Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #43
I fear American public will never be allowed to see. triron Dec 2022 #12
Yep. cilla4progress Dec 2022 #41
They have morphed into the Organized Crime Party. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2022 #3
Yup and the Godfather of that crime ring is Vlad Putin Botany Dec 2022 #4
Putin is the real Chairman of the Rethuglican Party. OMGWTF Dec 2022 #10
They needed him to install a POTUS. rubbersole Dec 2022 #15
Yes that Rebl2 Dec 2022 #17
this excerpt....... Takket Dec 2022 #5
And he is a convicted liar Walleye Dec 2022 #14
One might think that Trump's top enemy is Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #8
Nixon cost us 4 more years in Vietnam, Reagan cost the hostages months longer in Iran. roamer65 Dec 2022 #11
Republicanism has killed this country OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2022 #18
And Barr got burrowowl Dec 2022 #25
Wasn't it Reagan and Bush 1? FakeNoose Dec 2022 #44
You are right oops burrowowl Jan 2023 #51
Whoa! James48 Dec 2022 #16
rick gates/manafort used limbaugh to push palin on mccain. and in 2014 sam nunberg "listened to 1000 certainot Dec 2022 #20
Sickening, but we shouldn't be surprised. There is no bottom for Trump. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #21
K&R Thanks for putting this together. emulatorloo Dec 2022 #22
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Dec 2022 #23
Bastard! Fraternizing with the enemy for his own personal benefit. calimary Dec 2022 #24
just wanted to show you this tweet orleans Dec 2022 #26
imho, putler was just 1 of the oligarchs who put him on the throne. mopinko Dec 2022 #27
But Putin had the infrastructure, the intel and I.T. people, and he had been working Trump as ... Botany Dec 2022 #28
yup, tho it's the mercers who fed them the data they needed. mopinko Dec 2022 #29
And who worked @ Cambridge Analytica? Steve Bannon. Botany Dec 2022 #30
manafort, bannon, stone mopinko Dec 2022 #31
Cambridge Analytical helped enable the Russian sabotage triron Dec 2022 #34
And Bannon tested out using C.A. and disinformation in Brexit in 2016 prior to the US elections Botany Dec 2022 #36
Do you believe C.A.s operations were limited ro changing public perceptions? triron Dec 2022 #50
"i wonder who else." BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #37
yeah, good point. mopinko Dec 2022 #38
I expect he was the one who spearheaded BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #39
Probably China too. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #40
KNR and bookmarking. For later. I am going to need alcohol for this. niyad Dec 2022 #32
standard trump con cab67 Dec 2022 #33
America has to regroup!! Somehow get rid of all this NAZISM! bluestarone Dec 2022 #35
This actually makes more sense than the claims Trump is simply a Russian agent. honest.abe Dec 2022 #45
Tad Devine worked with Manafort to help elect strongman Viktor Yanukovych president of Ukraine. Malmsy Dec 2022 #46
A very widespread operation by the gop working as a foreign agent yaesu Dec 2022 #47
+1... myohmy2 Dec 2022 #48
Red Don and his clan of grifters are no Americans Blue Owl Dec 2022 #49

Botany

(70,614 posts)
2. And the full transcript and recording of Trump's call leaning on Zelenskyy to find dirt on Biden as
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:43 PM
Dec 2022

he was withholding military aid to Ukraine with their war with Putin in the Donbas.

Quakerfriend

(5,455 posts)
6. Yes, many of the puzzle pieces have
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:53 PM
Dec 2022

fallen into place. And yet, the American public remains mostly unaware.

Imo, Bill Barr’s ‘cover up’ of the Muller report was one of the greatest crimes against this nation.

Lucky Luciano

(11,264 posts)
13. And yet the Democratically controlled congress opted not to release it
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:19 PM
Dec 2022

This is why I have very little confidence that trump will ever get any serious consequences for anything.

We had two years as the party in power to release the full Muller report and didn’t. Therefore it was a nothing burger.

lees1975

(3,891 posts)
19. Release the full report and bring charges for all the crimes Trump committed.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:21 PM
Dec 2022

But he stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue and got away with all of that.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
42. We are told that a translator prepares a Mem Con (memo of conversation)..
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:08 PM
Dec 2022

...which is kept by the State Department..

It should exist, if Pompeo didn't burn it.

Evolve Dammit

(16,783 posts)
43. Didn't Orange Julius confiscate the interpreters notes more than once? Direct conversations w/ Vlad
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:51 PM
Dec 2022

cilla4progress

(24,783 posts)
41. Yep.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 03:40 PM
Dec 2022

My suspicion as well. We are little children who must be coddled and can't be told the truth...

Rebl2

(13,575 posts)
17. Yes that
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:38 PM
Dec 2022

is what they should change the name of their party to. I remember hearing years before tfg was in office that he was part of organized crime. What I didn’t realize is it was Russian OC.

Takket

(21,645 posts)
5. this excerpt.......
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:48 PM
Dec 2022

"Manafort told Insider the purpose of sending the polling data to Kilimnik was not to help elect Trump by aiding the Russians in their attempts to undermine the election but rather to lay the groundwork for future business deals. "It was meant to show how Clinton was vulnerable," he said. By his account, he was trying to use his influence with the future US president to extract money from pro-Russia oligarchs."

That's a hell of a claim. LOL "Oh, I didn't commit crime A. I committed crime B!"

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
11. Nixon cost us 4 more years in Vietnam, Reagan cost the hostages months longer in Iran.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:15 PM
Dec 2022

I would not be surprised one bit if Trump made a dirty deal like this.

Repukes are treasonous scumbags.

burrowowl

(17,653 posts)
25. And Barr got
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:46 AM
Dec 2022

Nixon and Bush I off of being tried as war criminals for the Iran Contra mission in which 200,000 to 250, Guatemalan indigenous people were killed. Barr is a fucking criminal.

FakeNoose

(32,823 posts)
44. Wasn't it Reagan and Bush 1?
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 05:01 PM
Dec 2022

But yeah, I see your point. Bill Barr was just as corrupt working for Reagan as he later became working for Chump.

Lock them ALL up!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
20. rick gates/manafort used limbaugh to push palin on mccain. and in 2014 sam nunberg "listened to 1000
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:28 PM
Dec 2022

1000's of hours of talk radio for trump". but while MSNBC had nunberg on many times to talk about trump i doubt he ever got asked if he was listening to rw radio in those critical swing states and if the notes he thought were going to trump might have been going to the kremlin. .

media and dems still have no fucking clue the russians did all this with RW radio

calimary

(81,527 posts)
24. Bastard! Fraternizing with the enemy for his own personal benefit.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:26 AM
Dec 2022

WHY CAN'T WE THROW HIS ASS IN JAIL???

Yeah, rights. I know. But if anyone's forfeited their rights, it's the Rotten-Orange Russian Sympathizer. He saw it as just making another fucking deal.

mopinko

(70,268 posts)
27. imho, putler was just 1 of the oligarchs who put him on the throne.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 09:37 AM
Dec 2022

murdoch, the mercers, koch, a few saudis. they all chipped in on this.
i wonder who else.

Botany

(70,614 posts)
28. But Putin had the infrastructure, the intel and I.T. people, and he had been working Trump as ...
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 09:50 AM
Dec 2022

... an asset since the late 80s to early the 90s and he convinced Trump to run in 2013 however Murdoch,
the Mercers, Zuckerberg & Facebook,the Kochs, the Saudis, and quite a few of the Republican leadership*
was well aware of just how "Russian dirty" Trump was in 2015 & 2016.*

* Paul Ryan Keeps It All in the Family
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said, according to Entous, a superb reporter who heard a tape recording of the colloquy. “Swear to God.”

Dana Rohrabacher is a Republican from California with a peculiar amalgam of views: pro-marijuana, dubious about climate change, pro-torture. For this last position, in 2007, Keith Olbermann awarded him his periodic “Worst Person in the World” award, on his old MSNBC show. Like Trump, Rohrabacher has been highly solicitous of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Last year, Politico ran an article on Rohrabacher called “Putin’s Favorite Congressman.”

In the Post piece, McCarthy’s remark is met with laughter, and Ryan cautions his colleagues, “This is an off the record . . . No leaks! . . . All right?”

And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, “This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

mopinko

(70,268 posts)
29. yup, tho it's the mercers who fed them the data they needed.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 10:11 AM
Dec 2022

cambridge analytica doesnt get nearly enough attention in all this.

Botany

(70,614 posts)
30. And who worked @ Cambridge Analytica? Steve Bannon.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 10:25 AM
Dec 2022

"They" all knew that Facebook was posting bullshit stories about Hillary Clinton they came from
St. Petersburg or Russian cut outs such as Croatia and that C.A. was tracking people through their
keystrokes and then making sure those people got their "news" about HRC from Facebook.


********
Bannon wanted to use the sorts of aggressive messaging tactics usually reserved for geopolitical conflicts to move the US electorate further to the right, Wylie said. He had already directed a series of anti-establishment, conservative documentary films and presided over the far-right website Breitbart News, but Cambridge Analytica would mark another step in his overall ambitions to transform the nation.

With financial backing from hedge-fund billionaire Robert Mercer, Bannon co-founded Cambridge Analytica in 2013 as the US-branch of Strategic Communication Laboratories (SCL) Group, a British company that advertises how it has conducted “behavioral change” programs in more than 60 countries.

Wylie described Cambridge Analytica as “Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer using a foreign, military contractor … to use some of the same techniques that the military uses … on the American electorate.”

Bannon and Cambridge Analytica did not respond to requests for comment to this story.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/bannon-cambridge-analytica/index.html

mopinko

(70,268 posts)
31. manafort, bannon, stone
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 10:44 AM
Dec 2022

if you gave me a choice btn those 3 and tfg to spend the rest of their lives in jail….

triron

(22,026 posts)
34. Cambridge Analytical helped enable the Russian sabotage
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 10:50 AM
Dec 2022

Of the 2016 election. Recall they were able to access vote registration databases. What mischief they did we will never know.

Botany

(70,614 posts)
36. And Bannon tested out using C.A. and disinformation in Brexit in 2016 prior to the US elections
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 11:21 AM
Dec 2022

For two years, observers have speculated that the June, 2016, Brexit campaign in the U.K. served as a petri dish for Donald Trump’s Presidential campaign in the United States. Now there is new evidence that it did. Newly surfaced e-mails show that the former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, and Cambridge Analytica, the Big Data company that he worked for at the time, were simultaneously incubating both nationalist political movements in 2015.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-evidence-emerges-of-steve-bannon-and-cambridge-analyticas-role-in-brexit

And it was not only Bannon but some of the exact same Russians worked on both Brexit and the 2016 Trump Campaign.

triron

(22,026 posts)
50. Do you believe C.A.s operations were limited ro changing public perceptions?
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 11:07 PM
Dec 2022

I don't. I knew Robert Mercer in hs and undergrad school. He was a mathematics/physics genius. Bet there was covert corruption in the election machinery.

BumRushDaShow

(129,669 posts)
37. "i wonder who else."
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:29 PM
Dec 2022

Don't forget this guy because he is still around even though he isn't mentioned much if at all in the news anymore -

BumRushDaShow

(129,669 posts)
39. I expect he was the one who spearheaded
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:43 PM
Dec 2022

that $1.7 trillion tax cuts for the rich that Turtle rammed through the very first year of the administration in 2017.

bluestarone

(17,067 posts)
35. America has to regroup!! Somehow get rid of all this NAZISM!
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 11:03 AM
Dec 2022

Also after learning this BULLSHIT, go after Jarred and IVANKA for the 2 BILLION traitor money! NOW!

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
45. This actually makes more sense than the claims Trump is simply a Russian agent.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 05:02 PM
Dec 2022

Trump’s focus is whatever benefits Trump regardless of anything else.

Malmsy

(297 posts)
46. Tad Devine worked with Manafort to help elect strongman Viktor Yanukovych president of Ukraine.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 07:44 PM
Dec 2022

Maybe the investigation needs to be expanded.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
47. A very widespread operation by the gop working as a foreign agent
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 08:41 PM
Dec 2022

Doing the bidding of our foreign enemies, and our justice system seems to be asleep at the wheel.

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