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China estimates CoVID infection rate is now around 37 million per day. (Original Post) roamer65 Dec 2022 OP
The key aspects : Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #1
Mainland Chinese vaccine tourists flock to Macau for mRNA Covid jabs cbabe Dec 2022 #2
Well...if they don't want them we in the west simply should make that decision permanent. roamer65 Dec 2022 #4
Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #7
It's too late anyway. roamer65 Dec 2022 #8
The virus is continuing to mutate Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #9
Blame the CCP. roamer65 Dec 2022 #10
The CCP did not suggest the US should refuse to export the vaccone to China. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #11
Yes, I did. roamer65 Dec 2022 #12
Sounds horrific Meowmee Dec 2022 #3
Sounds like they are going for herd immunity, there will be millions dead. nt doc03 Dec 2022 #5
...also a culling of the elderly. roamer65 Dec 2022 #6

Tetrachloride

(7,847 posts)
1. The key aspects :
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:24 PM
Dec 2022

1. it has mutated
2. a worse mutation is in the realm of possibility
3. who is vaccinated properly

cbabe

(3,548 posts)
2. Mainland Chinese vaccine tourists flock to Macau for mRNA Covid jabs
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:56 PM
Dec 2022
https://todayuknews.com/economy/mainland-chinese-vaccine-tourists-flock-to-macau-for-mrna-covid-jabs/

Mainland Chinese vaccine tourists flock to Macau for mRNA Covid jabs

Mainland Chinese eager to secure western messenger RNA vaccines rather than domestic jabs are flocking to Macau, where they have booked out the only hospital offering the inoculations to tourists.

Beijing has not approved any foreign Covid-19 vaccines for use by its citizens, instead relying on jabs from Chinese groups Sinovac and Sinopharm. Analysts have said these provide lower levels of immunity than western alternatives, which use mRNA technology.

But an abrupt U-turn by Beijing this month on its former zero-Covid policy of containing the disease has sparked an explosion of cases and prompted a surge in the number of mainlanders seeking mRNA jabs in Macau. The former Portuguese colony and special administrative region is the only place outside mainland China where the country‘s citizens can travel without having to quarantine on return.



A Lancet study from Singapore published this month found individuals who received three doses of the Sinovac or Sinopharm jabs, which are based on older technology that uses the inactivated virus to elicit an immune response, were nearly twice as likely to develop severe Covid as people who received three mRNA jabs. Those with the Chinese shots were also 50 per cent more likely to be hospitalised.

…more…

(China not allowing western vaccines in the country. Still?)

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
4. Well...if they don't want them we in the west simply should make that decision permanent.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:04 AM
Dec 2022

No export of them to China…period.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
7. Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:48 AM
Dec 2022

Whatever mutations are created because of the inadequate vaccinations aren't going to stay in China. If they want the vaccines, it is to our benefit to export them there.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. It's too late anyway.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:55 AM
Dec 2022

But let the people revolt and overthrow the CCP if they want them. This was a decision of the CCP and the party will definitely not reverse it.

There will be no mRNA vaccines in China, due to the CCP.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
9. The virus is continuing to mutate
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:58 AM
Dec 2022

Refusing to export effective tools to control the spread will only make the problem worse.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
10. Blame the CCP.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:59 AM
Dec 2022

They refused to import them.

If asked, western governments would export them despite my opinion.

At this point, the Chinese people do not have the 3 months it would take to build immunity via mRNA vaccine. The fault of this lies with the CCP.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
12. Yes, I did.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 01:05 AM
Dec 2022

Simply to respect their rejection of it and to allocate supplies to other nations who WILL use it and have ample ramp up time.

At this point, China is fucked and yes there will be new strains all thanks to the CCP for having no exit strategy for “zero CoVID”.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
3. Sounds horrific
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:00 AM
Dec 2022

Largely because they would not use the mrna vaccines. I think we better be prepared for a worse strain, I hope not.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. ...also a culling of the elderly.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:41 AM
Dec 2022

Report I heard is that the average age of patients being see in China is now in their 70’s.

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