Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
54 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Does anyone here know when Jack Smith is returning? A news conference by him would be helpful. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Dec 2022 OP
Perhaps after the holidays..... my guess secondwind Dec 2022 #1
I have a feeling he's staying in Europe for a Quakerfriend Dec 2022 #2
He is functioning just fine from where he is, Ocelot II Dec 2022 #3
Everything done, or not done, on the public dime is our business. Magoo48 Dec 2022 #8
So all the details of a criminal investigation must be made public in real time? Ocelot II Dec 2022 #15
Everything you must be reported on, in a general way as needs be, so we can see who is wasting Magoo48 Dec 2022 #21
So why are we making such a big deal about TFG's taking classified documents Ocelot II Dec 2022 #24
Doing a job of investigating crimes Karma13612 Dec 2022 #45
But my question was: If we, the public, are entitled to know *everything* because we pay for it, Ocelot II Dec 2022 #47
No, it is NOT your business Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #54
I know he doesn't have to give a news conference. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #9
Do you have reason to believe he isn't taking the investigation seriously? Ocelot II Dec 2022 #16
Of course Jack Smith takes Cha Dec 2022 #49
A guy who's been prosecuting war crimes is a serious person. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #50
Very insulting.. and I'm Cha Dec 2022 #52
TY.. that's right.. it's up to Smith Cha Dec 2022 #48
He has tickets...but they are on Southwest. dutch777 Dec 2022 #4
Hahaha. Thread winner! Takket Dec 2022 #6
Is he stranded at the airport? fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #11
If the suspense eats at us like this... ret5hd Dec 2022 #5
Good point. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #10
Yes I think Trump is afraid of Jack Smith. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #26
It's odd he has stayed in Europe so long. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #7
Is it odd to be away during the holidays? live love laugh Dec 2022 #14
What kind of business. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #27
Who knows? live love laugh Dec 2022 #28
He was in the hospital, then slowly recovering from an injury tinrobot Dec 2022 #34
Thanks 😊 I didn't know. live love laugh Dec 2022 #40
Oh wow.. I hadn't heard that.. Cha Dec 2022 #51
Maybe he figured he could get more work done where he won't be constantly pestered. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #17
Likely Rebl2 Dec 2022 #20
That could be it. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #32
He's recovering from surgery. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2022 #41
His recovery time is not matching the reported injury. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #42
I'm not sure he's a news conference kind of guy... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #12
After the new Congress is in session would be my guess. nt Autumn Dec 2022 #13
The heralding of Jack Smith reminds me of that old cheerleader song: Solomon Dec 2022 #18
There will not be a news conference from him. The only thing the public will see will be outcomes JohnSJ Dec 2022 #19
Yes. I don't know why anybody thinks a news conference would be helpful. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #23
+++ JohnSJ Dec 2022 #25
+1 nt Pobeka Dec 2022 #30
He's still working, but probably safer there. TigressDem Dec 2022 #22
I don't know about the 'hit' part, notinkansas Dec 2022 #36
Dog Whistle comments. TigressDem Dec 2022 #43
Didn't know that. notinkansas Dec 2022 #53
Seriously? Karma13612 Dec 2022 #46
Not no, but h*ll no on news conferences. I want his focus on doing the job, not managing press. Pobeka Dec 2022 #29
Helpful to whom? Sympthsical Dec 2022 #31
Exactly right. I don't want a prosecutor to be grandstanding before the tv cameras. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #33
How about a news conference announcing some indictments? fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #35
You know that's what's not being discussed Sympthsical Dec 2022 #37
But that's not what you're asking about, is it? Ocelot II Dec 2022 #39
Just as Garland didn't hold news conferences, don't expect Smith to Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #38
Two weeks. kacekwl Dec 2022 #44

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
3. He is functioning just fine from where he is,
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 10:52 AM
Dec 2022

and he doesn't have to give news conferences. Prosecutors normally don't and generally shouldn't, because they are not helpful. Whether he is or is not well enough to travel is up to him and his doctors and is none of our business. Just let him do his job.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
15. So all the details of a criminal investigation must be made public in real time?
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:07 AM
Dec 2022

Should grand jury proceedings be televised, too? Intelligence agency investigations? No, not everything is our business as it unfolds. The outcomes are our business; not everything during the process is.

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
21. Everything you must be reported on, in a general way as needs be, so we can see who is wasting
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:22 AM
Dec 2022

our money and where we are receiving our monies worth. Intelligence is a great example: billions go into unknown black holes without any public oversight. Hindsight often reveals incomprehensible waste.

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish | World news | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
24. So why are we making such a big deal about TFG's taking classified documents
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:28 AM
Dec 2022

and leaving them lying around unguarded at Mierda-Loco? If nothing should be hidden from the public, why classify anything? Just put it all out there in the NYT for the world to read so we get our money's worth.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
45. Doing a job of investigating crimes
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:52 PM
Dec 2022

Is not the same as stealing classified documents.

Not even on the same planet as far as comparisons go.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
47. But my question was: If we, the public, are entitled to know *everything* because we pay for it,
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:59 PM
Dec 2022

why should there be any such thing classified information at all? Shouldn't we know everything? I paid for all the stuff the CIA collected; why can't I have it?

And why can't I know about and see every bit of evidence that federal prosecutors have gathered in preparing their case, as soon as they have it? Why do I have to wait for the trial to see it?

in case that's necessary.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
54. No, it is NOT your business
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 06:30 AM
Dec 2022

Some things that are government business you cannot know and WILL NEVER know.

Do you know all the ins and outs of where any given nuclear bomb is? You paid for those bombs, their maintenance and upkeep, their transport, and even the people handling all of that, but go ahead and try to find out where one is. I fricking DARE you to do it. Hint: If you aren't directly responsible for handling nuclear weapons, you have
ZERO right to know anything about their location. EVER.

And no, you do NOT have a right to know anything and everything going on with a criminal investigation. There's this thing called INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY that you may not have any respect for, but which our laws respect a great deal. To protect the rights of anyone potentially accused of a crime, our legal system tends to stay quiet about details of an investigation. Some of it is to keep potential criminals from fleeing, but some of it is also because the public is NOT entitled to know every single suspect in an investigation, or all of the accusations against anybody, no matter who it is, until the state has established a case against someone that can withstand the scrutiny of a grand jury and a court of law. Until then, any potential suspects have a right to privacy and freedom from harassment. Don't like it? Well, too bad. The law doesn't give one hootin' holler what you like.

What is WRONG with you to think you're entitled to know things you have no business knowing?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
9. I know he doesn't have to give a news conference.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 10:59 AM
Dec 2022

I think it would be a good idea for him to let everyone know that he takes the largest, most important, investigation in our entire history seriously. It would be good to hear him say things like, No one is above the law. I will follow the the law without fear or favor.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
49. Of course Jack Smith takes
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:04 AM
Dec 2022

his duties as Special Cousel Seriously..

I respect and trust SC Jack Smith.. he's earned it.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
50. A guy who's been prosecuting war crimes is a serious person.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:08 AM
Dec 2022

It's pretty insulting to suggest that he might not be, or that we need his assurances that he is.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
48. TY.. that's right.. it's up to Smith
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:01 AM
Dec 2022

and his Doctors when he should be able to travel.. not anyone else who is opining when.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
26. Yes I think Trump is afraid of Jack Smith.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:34 AM
Dec 2022

The fact JS prosecutes war crimes has spooked Trump.

(I base this on Trump's crazier than normal behavior lately.)

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
7. It's odd he has stayed in Europe so long.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 10:58 AM
Dec 2022

Either his injury is more significant than we have been told.
Or there is another reason.

The DOJ could have sent him a private jet with medical staff to get him
back to the US.

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
34. He was in the hospital, then slowly recovering from an injury
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 12:00 PM
Dec 2022

Some sort of accident on his bike.

We'll probably see him back in the US soon.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
32. That could be it.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:51 AM
Dec 2022

Once he hits DC, it will be the usual GOP three ring circus.

Maybe he wanted to getting a good running start away from the drama.
Or perhaps some other reason we have yet to figure out.

I have had serious spine, leg and ankle injuries requiring surgery and rehab.

So I know the time line for travel and activity level.

JS should have been able to travel sooner even with a serious knee injury.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
42. His recovery time is not matching the reported injury.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 02:10 PM
Dec 2022

I have had serious injuries from falls.

Fractured spine and broken leg/ ankle necessitating surgery and rehab.
Fairly quickly the doctors are getting you up and moving around.

JS's recovery timeline is not matching a knee injury. He certainly would
have been mobile some time ago and able to travel.

Garland could have sent a US aircraft outfitted with medical staff to get him home.

So either the injury was much more severe or there was a reason to stay in Europe.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
18. The heralding of Jack Smith reminds me of that old cheerleader song:
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:14 AM
Dec 2022

Fitzgerald, Fitzgerald, Fitzgerald can! If he can't do it no one can!
Mueller, Mueller, Mueller can! If he can't do it no one can!
Garland, Garland, Garland can! If he can't do it no one can!
Now its Jack Smith, Jack Smith, Jack Smith can! ....

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
23. Yes. I don't know why anybody thinks a news conference would be helpful.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:25 AM
Dec 2022

What would it help? It would be nothing but the usual "we'll follow the evidence wherever it takes us; nobody is above the law, blah, blah, blah," because he can't talk about the specifics of who is being investigated or when there will be indictments, which is what everyone wants to know. The results matter; performative and information-free news conferences do not.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
43. Dog Whistle comments.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 04:18 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-huge-miscalculation-could-make-his-legal-trouble-worse-kirschner-1763931

TRUMP'S POST ON Truth Social

"Jack Smith (nice, soft name, isn't it?), is a political hit man, who is totally compromised, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our already highly WEAPONIZED & CORRUPT 'Justice' Department and FBI, which are stuffed with, and listening to, Radical Left 'MONSTERS,' who will cause difficulties for our Country the likes of which we have not seen before," Trump wrote in a recent Truth Social post.

In several other posts, Trump spoke about Smith's family, including one post in which he mentioned Smith's wife, Katy Chevigny, and included screenshots of her applauding President Joe Biden's win in the 2020 election.

"Donald Trump's threats against Jack Smith's family members might very well support an obstruction of justice charge," Kirschner said in the interview. "He's trying to corruptly interfere in the administration of justice and obstructing justice is a 20-year federal felony. It might also constitute interfering or impeding with the official duties of a government employee or official."



notinkansas

(1,096 posts)
53. Didn't know that.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:20 AM
Dec 2022

Something.....something about when you find yourself in a hole - stop digging.

Geez!

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
29. Not no, but h*ll no on news conferences. I want his focus on doing the job, not managing press.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:43 AM
Dec 2022

Doing the job is what will convict criminals, I can wait.

Tidbits I get from the media ecosystem indicate he's having no problem running the investigation from where ever he is.

I recommend listening to the "Jack" podcast from Allison Gill & Andrew McCabe to get a thorough understanding of what's going on, why it is so different in a legal court vs J6 committee hearings etc.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
31. Helpful to whom?
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:48 AM
Dec 2022

Do we want justice or do we want theater?

Prosecutors who seek the camera are rarely the people you want working on anything.

He's working. That's sufficient.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
33. Exactly right. I don't want a prosecutor to be grandstanding before the tv cameras.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 11:56 AM
Dec 2022

And if he is, I don't want that guy. I want someone who hunkers down and does the hard work without feeling like he has to suck up to the media and the public a la Michael Avenatti.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
37. You know that's what's not being discussed
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 12:29 PM
Dec 2022

Indictments are news.

A daily soap opera is not.

And it's important to know the difference between the two.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
38. Just as Garland didn't hold news conferences, don't expect Smith to
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 12:51 PM
Dec 2022

Garland has only made a couple of general public statements on the Trump investigations, and no one should expect more from Smith.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Does anyone here know whe...