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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho here doesn't think there is not a link between all the Russian Oligarchs falling out of windows
.... and/or winding up dead w/in some cases their families to Trump's stealing all those
top secret documents?
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Botany
(70,504 posts)betsuni
(25,519 posts)Whenever I ask I get a definition of the word, as if the problem is that I don't know what it means.
Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)In the US, wealthy corporations have a great deal of power.
They bribe the politicians who work for them. Not the people.
betsuni
(25,519 posts)The Biden administration? Oligarchy means they control government. How do they control Democrats? Who are these oligarchs and how do they control Democratic administrations?
Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)betsuni
(25,519 posts)There isn't any proof of bribery. Manchin has always been conservative. Sinema is the only one who has drastically changed her positions after being elected. One now Independent. Not an oligarchy. And other Democrats vote the same as Republicans as "protest" votes.
Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)The dark underbelly of American politics has not jaded you or made you cynical.
Reality has made me a political cynic but the flip side of that coin is idealism.
So I can identify.
JI7
(89,249 posts)she wants the image McCain had of being a Maverick. But in McCain's case it came from his actual position on issues which differed from REpublicans. While Sinema decides to take a position based on how she thinking it will make her look like a Maverick.
Sinema use to be part of the Green Party which in the US is mostly about attention seeking types . So it's not really a surprise she does what she is doing.
But yes, none of this is about oligarchs or bribes or being paid off .
zuul
(14,624 posts)What the hell was she up to while she was a senator?
moose65
(3,166 posts)Gabbard was a representative in the House.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Voltaire2
(13,032 posts)Huge pacs fund campaigns. Surprisingly, they expect something in return.
Play nice and when you leave office the sweet high pay do nothing jobs will arrive.
Everyone knows the game and the rules.
Its not a secret. Its right out in the open.
Autumn
(45,082 posts)was reelected to a second term by 546 votes Damn right it's out in the open.
JT45242
(2,273 posts)Megarich can donate unlimited dark funds...they expect things in return.
Listen to Robert Reich, who worked in the Clinton administration, about how the stock options were decided to not be taxable.
The IRS could send us a bill saying you owe $X based on standard deductions. You may accept this return or itemize but the big tax companies like H&R block lobbied to not have them do it.
Walmart never builds a new store without a tax abatement from the municipality. Oligarchy all around...local, state, and federal government is lobbied by big bucks all the time.
The supreme court is a perfect example of the oligarchy. The uber rich few who run the Federalist society recruit people to join and if you pledge allegiance to their reactionary causes, you get pushed thru the system to higher and higher courts regardless of your merits.
Virtually all senators are multimillionaires, both parties. I read that about 80 percent of them own investment properties (multiple), so is it any surprise that the loopholes for investment properties are always protected? It wasn't just TFG who benefited from all the crazy real estate tax laws. It isn't only Manchin who has pushed thru legislation to help his family business or the business of his big donors.it is wide spread...and as long as it takes huge piles of money to get eley, then rich donors will always have more say.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Truth. If you dont see that you are delusional.
Take away all the perks and take money out of campaigns. No lobbying jobs before or after, no investing.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Bribery is legal today. They merely hide it as campaign contributions. Both parties are guilty. The same oligarchs control both parties.
I would say more, but probably would get banned from here.
doc03
(35,336 posts)take money from multibillionairs? Really?
Texin
(2,596 posts)represent their so-called interests. All one need do is look to Long Island and George "Catch Me If You Can" Santos to see that.
Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)I will pay to get you installed into high office and then you are owned by me.
Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)There was a story circulating that a high level US asset in the Kremlin had to be extracted
because Trump had leaked his identity.
It is also possible Putin is purging anyone who disagrees with him like Stalin did.
Or Putin is confiscating Russian oligarch wealth. Putin would figure they only got
wealthy because he allowed corruption to flourish. So the money belongs to him.
Or the oligarchs are killing each other. The sanctions are really hurting them so
now they are fighting over money.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Voltaire2
(13,032 posts)Concocting conspiracies without evidence is just bullshit. Leave that crap for the magaqs.
JT45242
(2,273 posts)Putin is eliminating anyone who might have the clout to lead the inevitable coup that will topple him or alternatively, if he has terminal cancer as suspected, he is eliminating all potential rivals to his hand picked successor who has sworn that he will reunite the former USSR under the Russian flag, killing as many if the 'inferior races' like Ukrainian as needed to do it.
Not about TFG.. about Putin's paranoia over rivals.
AverageOldGuy
(1,524 posts)If so:
-- Are there any upper story windows -- 3rd floor or higher?
-- Does Trump ever venture up to the upper floors?
Asking for a friend.
rubbersole
(6,689 posts)..where you can get all the bat shit you need. tfg spends way too much time in there.
AverageOldGuy
(1,524 posts). . . if he slipped on a pile of batshit and fell out of a bell tower window.
rubbersole
(6,689 posts)Melania would call a cab before he hit the ground.
Kennah
(14,265 posts)rubbersole
(6,689 posts)Kennah
(14,265 posts)barbtries
(28,793 posts)it does make sense. I was thinking it had more to do with the oligarchs not being all in with putin's war.
Texin
(2,596 posts)Putin's loss of his grip on things, including his failing health. They sense that change is coming and they're trying to hasten his demise.
barbtries
(28,793 posts)but he keeps flexing his muscles and using his power for nefarious ends.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Maybe the same room.
Texin
(2,596 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Kennah
(14,265 posts)rubbersole
(6,689 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)trump is puktin's cuckold is all I am saying.
rubbersole
(6,689 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,341 posts)Its a sign of a power struggle between the two major factions in Russia- a financial power faction represented by the oligarchs and a political power faction represented by the so called siloviki, the highest echelons of government and ideological bureaucratic apparatus.
The siloviki were the force behind invasion of Ukraine, and the oligarchs sustained most of the damage because of it. Naturally, this created a lot of friction between the two groups.
We can all guess who is winning easily in this power struggle: the oligarchs keep falling out the windows, and the siloviki do not.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,927 posts)relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Putin has his own enemy list, and its certainly quite extensive. Hes removing potential competitors, and dissidents. He doesnt need out intel to select them.
LaMouffette
(2,030 posts)falls since Trump absconded with all those top secret documents.
If only someone from the US intelligence organizations would step forward with evidence that Trump got people killed by supplying Putin with their names as spies for the US. But I think it would be impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that was how Putin found out they were spies and that Putin was responsible for the falls from windows and tops of buildings.
LaMouffette
(2,030 posts)falls since Trump absconded with all those top secret documents.
If only someone from the US intelligence organizations would step forward with evidence that Trump got people killed by supplying Putin with their names as spies for the US. But I think it would be impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that was how Putin found out they were spies and that Putin was responsible for the falls from windows and tops of buildings.
ProfessorGAC
(65,034 posts)You really think he needed those docs to know who his enemies are?
Botany
(70,504 posts).... counting them giving a PDB about Khashoggi to MbS too.
Deep State Witch
(10,426 posts)Were either on a CIA list that TFG gave to Putin. They were probably the first wave eliminated. This most recent bunch probably made the mistake of telling someone the truth about the fiasco in Ukraine.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)That would be delicious.
It would also make any of the information TFG sought to capitalize on nearly worthless if it was known that the CIA had planted false information for TFG to criminally distribute.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,231 posts)Kennah
(14,265 posts)onenote
(42,702 posts)I have no reason to think that since we don't really know much about the documents or how they would connect to Russian oligarchs.