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Who here doesn't think there is not a link between all the Russian Oligarchs falling out of windows (Original Post) Botany Dec 2022 OP
😳 underpants Dec 2022 #1
I wonder if the CIA had dossiers on Russian Oligrachs who were "less then loyal" to Putin? Botany Dec 2022 #4
I wonder why anyone thinks the U.S. is an oligarchy. betsuni Dec 2022 #2
Rule by the privileged (wealthy) few. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #5
No, they don't bribe Democrats. How was the Obama administration corrupt? betsuni Dec 2022 #6
Two US senators come to mind. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #7
This! zuul Dec 2022 #9
Not an oligarchy. betsuni Dec 2022 #10
I admire and respect your idealism. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #13
Sinema is about ego and seeking attention and a McCain wannabe JI7 Dec 2022 #39
Not to mention Tulsi Gabbard. zuul Dec 2022 #11
She wasn't a Senator moose65 Dec 2022 #12
Gabbard was always right wing. She pretended to be more liberal so she can win in a Democratic Area JI7 Dec 2022 #40
It's all legal. Voltaire2 Dec 2022 #15
Bang Bang Barbie after one year as a Congressass is now worth 42 million dollars. She Autumn Dec 2022 #44
This Meowmee Dec 2022 #46
The whole system is rigged for the wealthy... JT45242 Dec 2022 #19
"The whole system is rigged for the wealthy" Meowmee Dec 2022 #47
Spare me. RocRizzo55 Dec 2022 #24
Democrats don't take corporate money? Democrats dont doc03 Dec 2022 #27
They don't have to "bribe" them. They PAY for them to get elected to Texin Dec 2022 #20
I consider this quid pro quo arrangement to be the bribery. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #23
Yes it is quite possible some of these oligarchs are US/ British assets. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #3
I Certainly Do Not, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2022 #8
Me. Voltaire2 Dec 2022 #14
Wrong tree... JT45242 Dec 2022 #16
Is anyone familiar with the layout of Mar-A-Lago? AverageOldGuy Dec 2022 #17
There's a bat tower... rubbersole Dec 2022 #22
Be a real shame . . . AverageOldGuy Dec 2022 #26
Not really 😵.😅 rubbersole Dec 2022 #33
She needs a better alibi Kennah Dec 2022 #48
She was with the pool boy. rubbersole Dec 2022 #51
More of an inconvenient truth Kennah Dec 2022 #55
believe it or not i had not considered that. barbtries Dec 2022 #18
It's not so much about not being "all in" with Putin's folly, it's about smelling Texin Dec 2022 #34
they'd do the world a favor. barbtries Dec 2022 #35
puketin will get a room in hell right next to hitler The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #21
It's gonna get crowded there when tRump joins them. Texin Dec 2022 #36
trump will be the maid. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #42
Brutus and Judas will get a break Kennah Dec 2022 #49
What do you have against maids? rubbersole Dec 2022 #52
yea ya got me on that one. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #53
What do you have against cuckolds?😜 rubbersole Dec 2022 #54
stop or I am telling mom. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #56
I don't think so Beastly Boy Dec 2022 #25
Thread winner! Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #45
Were any of the classified government documents related to this? LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #28
Possibly a few, but not very many relayerbob Dec 2022 #29
Oh my word! I hadn't made that link yet. You're right. There seems to be an uptick in "accidental" LaMouffette Dec 2022 #30
Oh my word! I hadn't made that link yet. There seems to be an uptick in "accidental" LaMouffette Dec 2022 #31
Putin Is ex-KGB ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #32
Well we know that TFG & Kush-Turd gave up Saudi Royalty that was less then loyal to MbS not .... Botany Dec 2022 #41
I think that those oligarchs Deep State Witch Dec 2022 #37
In my fantasy, the CIA planted false material in top secret docs knowing TFG would take them. Pobeka Dec 2022 #38
Putin ran out of radioactive poisons and so has to rely on cheaper methods to kill people LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #43
Russians are just clumsy around windows and cigarettes Kennah Dec 2022 #50
I don't. onenote Dec 2022 #57

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
2. I wonder why anyone thinks the U.S. is an oligarchy.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 07:54 AM
Dec 2022

Whenever I ask I get a definition of the word, as if the problem is that I don't know what it means.

Irish_Dem

(47,054 posts)
5. Rule by the privileged (wealthy) few.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 07:58 AM
Dec 2022

In the US, wealthy corporations have a great deal of power.
They bribe the politicians who work for them. Not the people.

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
6. No, they don't bribe Democrats. How was the Obama administration corrupt?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:00 AM
Dec 2022

The Biden administration? Oligarchy means they control government. How do they control Democrats? Who are these oligarchs and how do they control Democratic administrations?

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
10. Not an oligarchy.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:18 AM
Dec 2022

There isn't any proof of bribery. Manchin has always been conservative. Sinema is the only one who has drastically changed her positions after being elected. One now Independent. Not an oligarchy. And other Democrats vote the same as Republicans as "protest" votes.

Irish_Dem

(47,054 posts)
13. I admire and respect your idealism.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:34 AM
Dec 2022

The dark underbelly of American politics has not jaded you or made you cynical.

Reality has made me a political cynic but the flip side of that coin is idealism.
So I can identify.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
39. Sinema is about ego and seeking attention and a McCain wannabe
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:40 AM
Dec 2022

she wants the image McCain had of being a Maverick. But in McCain's case it came from his actual position on issues which differed from REpublicans. While Sinema decides to take a position based on how she thinking it will make her look like a Maverick.

Sinema use to be part of the Green Party which in the US is mostly about attention seeking types . So it's not really a surprise she does what she is doing.

But yes, none of this is about oligarchs or bribes or being paid off .

JI7

(89,249 posts)
40. Gabbard was always right wing. She pretended to be more liberal so she can win in a Democratic Area
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:41 AM
Dec 2022

Voltaire2

(13,032 posts)
15. It's all legal.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:38 AM
Dec 2022

Huge pacs fund campaigns. Surprisingly, they expect something in return.
Play nice and when you leave office the sweet high pay do nothing jobs will arrive.
Everyone knows the game and the rules.
It’s not a secret. It’s right out in the open.

Autumn

(45,082 posts)
44. Bang Bang Barbie after one year as a Congressass is now worth 42 million dollars. She
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 04:15 PM
Dec 2022

was reelected to a second term by 546 votes Damn right it's out in the open.

JT45242

(2,273 posts)
19. The whole system is rigged for the wealthy...
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:49 AM
Dec 2022

Megarich can donate unlimited dark funds...they expect things in return.

Listen to Robert Reich, who worked in the Clinton administration, about how the stock options were decided to not be taxable.

The IRS could send us a bill saying you owe $X based on standard deductions. You may accept this return or itemize but the big tax companies like H&R block lobbied to not have them do it.

Walmart never builds a new store without a tax abatement from the municipality. Oligarchy all around...local, state, and federal government is lobbied by big bucks all the time.

The supreme court is a perfect example of the oligarchy. The uber rich few who run the Federalist society recruit people to join and if you pledge allegiance to their reactionary causes, you get pushed thru the system to higher and higher courts regardless of your merits.

Virtually all senators are multimillionaires, both parties. I read that about 80 percent of them own investment properties (multiple), so is it any surprise that the loopholes for investment properties are always protected? It wasn't just TFG who benefited from all the crazy real estate tax laws. It isn't only Manchin who has pushed thru legislation to help his family business or the business of his big donors.it is wide spread...and as long as it takes huge piles of money to get eley, then rich donors will always have more say.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
47. "The whole system is rigged for the wealthy"
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 04:20 PM
Dec 2022

Truth. If you don’t see that you are delusional.

Take away all the perks and take money out of campaigns. No lobbying jobs before or after, no investing.

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
24. Spare me.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:59 AM
Dec 2022

Bribery is legal today. They merely hide it as campaign contributions. Both parties are guilty. The same oligarchs control both parties.
I would say more, but probably would get banned from here.

doc03

(35,336 posts)
27. Democrats don't take corporate money? Democrats dont
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:17 AM
Dec 2022

take money from multibillionairs? Really?

Texin

(2,596 posts)
20. They don't have to "bribe" them. They PAY for them to get elected to
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:49 AM
Dec 2022

represent their so-called interests. All one need do is look to Long Island and George "Catch Me If You Can" Santos to see that.

Irish_Dem

(47,054 posts)
23. I consider this quid pro quo arrangement to be the bribery.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:57 AM
Dec 2022

I will pay to get you installed into high office and then you are owned by me.

Irish_Dem

(47,054 posts)
3. Yes it is quite possible some of these oligarchs are US/ British assets.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 07:55 AM
Dec 2022

There was a story circulating that a high level US asset in the Kremlin had to be extracted
because Trump had leaked his identity.

It is also possible Putin is purging anyone who disagrees with him like Stalin did.

Or Putin is confiscating Russian oligarch wealth. Putin would figure they only got
wealthy because he allowed corruption to flourish. So the money belongs to him.

Or the oligarchs are killing each other. The sanctions are really hurting them so
now they are fighting over money.

JT45242

(2,273 posts)
16. Wrong tree...
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:38 AM
Dec 2022

Putin is eliminating anyone who might have the clout to lead the inevitable coup that will topple him or alternatively, if he has terminal cancer as suspected, he is eliminating all potential rivals to his hand picked successor who has sworn that he will reunite the former USSR under the Russian flag, killing as many if the 'inferior races' like Ukrainian as needed to do it.

Not about TFG.. about Putin's paranoia over rivals.

AverageOldGuy

(1,524 posts)
17. Is anyone familiar with the layout of Mar-A-Lago?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:43 AM
Dec 2022

If so:

-- Are there any upper story windows -- 3rd floor or higher?
-- Does Trump ever venture up to the upper floors?

Asking for a friend.

rubbersole

(6,689 posts)
22. There's a bat tower...
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:56 AM
Dec 2022

..where you can get all the bat shit you need. tfg spends way too much time in there.

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
18. believe it or not i had not considered that.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:49 AM
Dec 2022

it does make sense. I was thinking it had more to do with the oligarchs not being all in with putin's war.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
34. It's not so much about not being "all in" with Putin's folly, it's about smelling
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:07 AM
Dec 2022

Putin's loss of his grip on things, including his failing health. They sense that change is coming and they're trying to hasten his demise.

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
35. they'd do the world a favor.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:10 AM
Dec 2022

but he keeps flexing his muscles and using his power for nefarious ends.

Beastly Boy

(9,341 posts)
25. I don't think so
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:07 AM
Dec 2022

It’s a sign of a power struggle between the two major factions in Russia- a financial power faction represented by the oligarchs and a political power faction represented by the so called “siloviki, the highest echelons of government and ideological bureaucratic apparatus.
The siloviki were the force behind invasion of Ukraine, and the oligarchs sustained most of the damage because of it. Naturally, this created a lot of friction between the two groups.

We can all guess who is winning easily in this power struggle: the oligarchs keep falling out the windows, and the siloviki do not.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
29. Possibly a few, but not very many
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:21 AM
Dec 2022

Putin has his own enemy list, and it’s certainly quite extensive. He’s removing potential competitors, and dissidents. He doesn’t need out intel to select them.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
30. Oh my word! I hadn't made that link yet. You're right. There seems to be an uptick in "accidental"
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:23 AM
Dec 2022

falls since Trump absconded with all those top secret documents.

If only someone from the US intelligence organizations would step forward with evidence that Trump got people killed by supplying Putin with their names as spies for the US. But I think it would be impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that was how Putin found out they were spies and that Putin was responsible for the falls from windows and tops of buildings.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
31. Oh my word! I hadn't made that link yet. There seems to be an uptick in "accidental"
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:26 AM
Dec 2022

falls since Trump absconded with all those top secret documents.

If only someone from the US intelligence organizations would step forward with evidence that Trump got people killed by supplying Putin with their names as spies for the US. But I think it would be impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that was how Putin found out they were spies and that Putin was responsible for the falls from windows and tops of buildings.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
41. Well we know that TFG & Kush-Turd gave up Saudi Royalty that was less then loyal to MbS not ....
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:48 AM
Dec 2022

.... counting them giving a PDB about Khashoggi to MbS too.

Deep State Witch

(10,426 posts)
37. I think that those oligarchs
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:17 AM
Dec 2022

Were either on a CIA list that TFG gave to Putin. They were probably the first wave eliminated. This most recent bunch probably made the mistake of telling someone the truth about the fiasco in Ukraine.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
38. In my fantasy, the CIA planted false material in top secret docs knowing TFG would take them.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:20 AM
Dec 2022

That would be delicious.

It would also make any of the information TFG sought to capitalize on nearly worthless if it was known that the CIA had planted false information for TFG to criminally distribute.

onenote

(42,702 posts)
57. I don't.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:47 AM
Dec 2022

I have no reason to think that since we don't really know much about the documents or how they would connect to Russian oligarchs.

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