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Botany

(70,503 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:16 AM Dec 2022

Russia/Lavrov Outlines Three Conditions for Peace ... Land, no war crime charges, & no reparations

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Lavrov just give us Donbas, Crimea, Zaporizhzhia (Maripoul) and Kherson then no war crimes trials add in no payments
for the damage caused by Russia in its war on Ukraine and its citizens.

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"Putting forward all sorts of ideas and 'formulas of peace,' Zelensky cherishes the illusion of achieving, with the help of the West, the withdrawal of our troops from the Russian territory of Donbas, Crimea, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson region, the payment of reparations by Russia, and the surrender of international tribunals and the like."

"Of course, we will not talk to anyone on such conditions," Lavrov added.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-outlines-three-conditions-for-peace-it-will-not-accept-from-zelensky/ar-AA15M2il?cvid=158c0119f46b4e42a76e80389a4d0d3b

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Russia/Lavrov Outlines Three Conditions for Peace ... Land, no war crime charges, & no reparations (Original Post) Botany Dec 2022 OP
It appears that Russia maybe considering Ukraine's agreement for peace .... Lovie777 Dec 2022 #1
Did you even read the article? Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #7
Ukraine proposal for peace not Russia..... Lovie777 Dec 2022 #11
Exactly. Russia wants to get away with stesling land... brush Dec 2022 #25
Nope. 2naSalit Dec 2022 #2
Ukraine: "Russian minister, go fuck yourself." Walleye Dec 2022 #3
Exactly.. I was going to ask.. Cha Dec 2022 #28
Gee, phony peace proposals and thousands of missiles today. Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #4
Zelensky should demand that Russia hand over Putin KS Toronado Dec 2022 #5
I like it! zuul Dec 2022 #8
Great idea! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #9
Force Putin to walk from the border to Kiev. Letting Ukrainians know. LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #12
Really? Just waltz in and rape, torture, & murder everyone in your path? Flatten hospitals & schools Hekate Dec 2022 #6
Lavrov needs to jump out a window. LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #10
Stick it, Lavrov! 🌻🇺🇦🌻 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2022 #14
These conditions are a joke LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #15
What a crock. Firestorm49 Dec 2022 #16
"His (Putin's) justifications for this gross injustice should qualify him for public execution." Botany Dec 2022 #20
Double the aid to Ukraine and give them everything non-nuclear. roamer65 Dec 2022 #17
And I get my posh London digs back too as I am very tired of Moscow BeyondGeography Dec 2022 #18
We burned down your house CanonRay Dec 2022 #19
I think it is hilarious that Baghdad Bob thinks he has a leg to stand on to issue any demands Takket Dec 2022 #21
And in 5-10 years we will invade again. bluedigger Dec 2022 #22
I guess that Lavrov is under the impression that the Russians have won the war Chainfire Dec 2022 #23
Sounds pretty fantastical Mad_Machine76 Dec 2022 #24
Ukraine has this reply: Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #26
I have better conditions for peace jmowreader Dec 2022 #27
Zelenskyy should reply: Aristus Dec 2022 #29

Lovie777

(12,260 posts)
1. It appears that Russia maybe considering Ukraine's agreement for peace ....
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:20 AM
Dec 2022

Russian economy is crashing. It appears China as well, and with the newly outbreak of COVID, the world could be in another horrid situation.

brush

(53,776 posts)
25. Exactly. Russia wants to get away with stesling land...
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:10 PM
Dec 2022

from Ukraine, destroying much of its infrastructure and then not having to pay reparations for their unprovoked destruction or being charge with war crimes, or which they are obviously guilty.

No effin way. The Russian war criminals must pay and must pay to rebuild what they demolished in Ukraine.

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
3. Ukraine: "Russian minister, go fuck yourself."
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:36 AM
Dec 2022

But it looks like at least Russia might be thinking about it

KS Toronado

(17,230 posts)
5. Zelensky should demand that Russia hand over Putin
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:42 AM
Dec 2022

to the Ukrainian Justice system for any peace talks to begin. Surely there's people in Russia
who wish Putin was out of power, hand him over, problem solved.

Hekate

(90,675 posts)
6. Really? Just waltz in and rape, torture, & murder everyone in your path? Flatten hospitals & schools
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:43 AM
Dec 2022

Crush infrastructure? Did I mention the rape of children? Little bodies found with their teeth knocked out? Mass graves? The kidnap of children and their adoption into Russian families? Then Putin just moves Russians into Ukrainian rubble and they rebuild on the graves of Ukrainians?

Lavrov wants to set “conditions” ?


Response to Botany (Original post)

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,195 posts)
15. These conditions are a joke
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:02 AM
Dec 2022

Putin does not want to negotiate but wants a cease fire to rebuild his destroyed military


Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
16. What a crock.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:20 AM
Dec 2022

1. Get the fuck off of Ukrainian land, including Crimea.
2. Pay for the reconstruction of all damaged infrastructure.
3. Be accountable for any and all war crimes.

Period. End of story.

Forgive my repetition of already stated Ukrainian goals, but in my opinion, those are the only ones worthy of consideration.

Screw Putin. His justifications for this gross injustice should qualify him for public execution.

Botany

(70,503 posts)
20. "His (Putin's) justifications for this gross injustice should qualify him for public execution."
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:55 AM
Dec 2022

In Maripoul at the Azovstal Metal and Steel Works. Or just let a bunch of Russian draftees who
got sent to Ukraine have at him. Putin is now up there with Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin for being
a barbarian. 30% of Russians don't have modern plumbing but Vlad has @ least 3 billion dollar
homes.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
17. Double the aid to Ukraine and give them everything non-nuclear.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:25 AM
Dec 2022

Also start bringing in the test systems.

Use the conflict for testing new weapons systems.

Takket

(21,565 posts)
21. I think it is hilarious that Baghdad Bob thinks he has a leg to stand on to issue any demands
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:11 PM
Dec 2022

Here are the terms: Ukraine will keep supplying bullets for every piece of meat Putin shoves across the border, and Russia can have peace any day they feel like pulling out.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
23. I guess that Lavrov is under the impression that the Russians have won the war
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:38 PM
Dec 2022

and is able to dictate the peace. It just doesn't look that way on the ground.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
27. I have better conditions for peace
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:35 PM
Dec 2022

1. Surrender Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Dmitri Lavrov to the Ukrainian Government for prosecution on war crimes charges. Further, surrender all property owned by Putin and Lavrov to the Ukrainian government.
2. Agreement that the territory of Ukraine includes all territory annexed by Russia since the day the Soviet Union was dissolved.
3. Surrender all Russian military equipment currently within the borders of Ukraine to the Ukrainian government, to include wheeled and tracked vehicles, crew-served weapon systems and small arms carried by individual soldiers. All Russian ammunition will similarly be surrendered.
4. Remove all Russian personnel from Ukrainian territory, to include Ministry of Defense and FSB personnel. These personnel will be transported out of Ukraine by bus.
5. Full payment in reparation for damage caused by the Russian-declared illegal war.
6. Place the Russian Army under the control of NATO for a period of one hundred years. All expenses incurred by NATO control of the Russian Army will be paid by Russia.

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