The 212 must stand strong, we must stand strong

[Cheezoholic]

IMO this is again part of the most IMPORTANT time in history for the Democratic party, for those who believe in democracy, in the last 50 years. We are dug in and we cannot waiver PERIOD. Whatever happens with the other side in the house we cannot budge. The next 2 years are going to be painful as hell no matter who the hell wins the speakership. But if we stand our ground now, give them no quarter whatsoever we can force the other side to begin to shed itself of this infliction.

They are acting now the way we used to. And they played the long game and never removed the knee from the neck, even if it meant pain for their side. We must learn from our past how to deal with these fascists, and there are more than 20. We must preserve the institution first and foremost before we can give it the care and rebuilding that it needs after 50 years of these these authoritarians trying to tear it down.

This has been their goal from the start, make no mistake. They made their big move in 2016, and are now reaping the rotten fruit of their labor. The American people, as fickle as we are, will see it if we just stay dug in where we are at right now. The right is scared to death right now. They are vulnerable and weakened. We can wipe them out if we stand together and give them nothing, no compromise, no deal.

Look to our Ukrainian brothers and sisters. They are fighting the same fight, albeit with blood. We must not let their sacrifices, the sacrifices of our own through the last 250 years, or anyone battling to protect democracy in the world be for nought. If we show them compassion they will swallow us and destroy democracy as we know it on this planet.

The 212 must stand strong, we must stand strong. We all must resist the temptation to work with these demons. Let them self destruct. Then they can re-build their party, they will be forced to. We must protect the institution, no matter how flawed it is right now, because it is all that stands between fascism and freedom. Any calls for working with the current form of the opposition should be silenced RIGHT NOW!!

We are in the position of power now. Embrace it. Respect it. Keep it.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

1. That's not how this works, though

If they vote for someone to the right of McCarthy, or if they force a no-debt-ceiling increase out of McCarthy, then essentially we will default on our debt, probably devalue our currency as a result, and very possibly end up with a complete gutting of the social safety net. While I'd be more than happy to raise taxes on the wealthy and close many of the corporate tax loopholes, that won't happen with a GOP majority. No matter how stupid they look, they will still hold a majority of votes. If McCarthy still can't get elected, our best option is to offer to work with a moderate Republican -- the way we did today in the Ohio State House.

We aren't in a position of power unless we actually exercise it.

[Cheezoholic]

3. Sorry, I'm done being the one to compromise

Only to be spit on. They will not stop and there are very few, probably less than 20, moderate republicans left, and they ain't so moderate. It hasn't worked in the past with them. Trying to work with them is the other side of this insanity coin.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

6. Fine - if one of those 20 can step forward, and bring 8 friends, let's make them speaker.

I'd rather have that than McCarthy, Scalise, Gym Jordan, or any of the other names I've seen thrown out there.

[Cheezoholic]

9. Not opposed to that

But we need to stay out of it.

[onetexan]

2. I agree& dems shld work to get 6 moderate GOPs

To vote in Jeffries, though that may be next to impossible.

[Cheezoholic]

4. They will destroy him

He will be a lame duck speaker

[onetexan]

8. No they wont. Already a shitshow with GOP in charge

Lame duck sounds better than chaos.

[Cheezoholic]

10. Yes it is a shit show

All the more reason to let it be THERE shit show. Risking the minority leader by involving them in that shit show is foolish. Its like dropping a general behind enemy lines with no back up.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

5. You'd have a better chance of winning the Mega Millions

[Beautiful Disaster]

7. It's funny you mention Ukraine because McCarthy is probably the only option to keep funding going.

If it falls to an extreme conservative, who's to the right, you can pretty much kiss goodbye any level of funding passing through the House on Ukraine (and in general).

[Cheezoholic]

11. There are ways around that

because arming Ukraine has not been codified by law as say arming the Contras was during the Iran Contra affair. They would need the Senate to do that and that ain't happening.