Classified Document Tracking? Why are documents that have been missing since Biden

[cornball 24]

was VP now a subject of interest! The time frame is questionable. Why are these "missing documents" still missing after a number of years. What is the "protocol", if any, for tracking them? Something ain't right.

[Hokie]

1. My brother posited a theory

He was a civilian DoD employee with top secret clearance. He believes there is a good possibility that Trump friends in the FBI or Secret Service planted documents to incriminate Biden. Of course Biden is President now and has access to everything. Trump has access to nothing.

I don't know if I buy into this particular conspiracy but something sure stinks to high heaven.

[Walleye]

6. My theory is that the first documents discovered in the office were a legit mistake

For the ones in his home I suspect the Secret Service. Since they stayed in the guest house next to that garage.Far-fetched but not impossible. And none of this would mean anything except in light of what trump did.

[doc03]

2. Gee I would think a Top Secret document would maybe have a bar code. I made an

online order last week, I was notified when it was shipped and advised of its location
every day. They told me when it would be delivered and a minute after it was delivered I
got an e-mail saying it was delivered. They lose Top Secret documents for 6 years and nobody
knew.

[WarGamer]

4. Even better... the equivalent of an Apple AirTag.

[cornball 24]

8. Exactly!

[walkingman]

3. If nothing else, it is clear we have a problem handling classified documents.

[jmbar2]

5. Nearly every information-dependent business has document management systems

With security-based check-in and out.

It can't be that hard...

[pwb]

7. Classified, Sensitive, Top Secret, documents are not always returned.

They are not lost. The envelopes have instructions to follow with the very very top secret information. A classified note is way different. Joe could be throwing trump a life preserver on this one issue too? The good old presidents club behind the scenes. Joe knows tump is fucked in so many other ways. Intent is the issue I have with all this. Trump lacks good intention.

[Justice matters.]

10. hair furhair

obstructed their return because he said publicly "they're MINE" so by just refusing to comply fully to a DOJ subpoena (even by telling his coffee boy and lawyer barbie to lie to the FBI), that's the criminal-code's blue book definition of committing Obstruction of Justice, but he doesn't care about HIM committing felonies as it's always someone else's fault.

[Phoenix61]

9. Do you know what the criteria is for a document being

classified? Secret? Top-Secret?

[TigressDem]

11. From Brennan Center

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents

The first is a system of markings. All classified information in a document must be clearly marked so that anyone who handles that document knows exactly what protections are required. Markings must include, among other information, the level of classification — e.g.,
Confidential,
Secret,
Top Secret,
Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information,
Restricted Data,
Formerly Restricted Data.

Second, agencies maintain classification guides that specify categories of information that have been deemed classified by original classification authorities (for instance, “names of covert operatives”). These guides can run hundreds of pages long, and there are thousands of them throughout the federal government.

[Phoenix61]

12. That says what they are not what determines the classification. nt

[TigressDem]

13. It's one of the links in the Brennan Report. Did not realize the link was dead.

I thought you wanted to verify what the levels were. But there was a LOT more detail in the Brennan Report.


https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents

Second, agencies maintain classification guides that specify categories of information that have been deemed classified by original classification authorities (for instance, “names of covert operatives”). These guides can run hundreds of pages long, and there are thousands of them throughout the federal government.

The Classification Guides have a general template for Classification Level

https://www.archives.gov/files/isoo/training/scg-handbook.pdf

Classification Level

The OCA determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security. The OCA must be able to identify or describe the damage.

Confidential – applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which
reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security.

Secret – applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.

Top Secret – applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which
reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national
security.

EDIT: Eligibility (From same handbook as link above - might be helpful)

The information must fall within one or more of the categories of information listed in E.O. 13526, Sec. 1.4. These are the eight categories of information eligible for classification:

(a) Military plans, weapons systems, or operations
(b) Foreign government information
(c) Intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods,
or cryptology
(d) Foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential
sources
(e) Scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to national security
(f) U.S. Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities
(g) Vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects,
plans, or protection services relating to national security
(h) The development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.

[Phoenix61]

14. Military plans can include individual deployment orders.

My point is so many who are flipping out over “classified” documents being found have no idea what that actually means. The information can be incredibly benign.

[TigressDem]

15. Yeah. Because if in doubt, mark it classified.

Because if it SHOULD have been and wasn't marked, heads will roll.

If it didn't need to be classified, someone can get it declassified and no one dies... well maybe of embarrassment.. NAH.

[Phoenix61]

16. Yep! nt

[GoCubsGo]

17. They are the subject of interest because of Trump's thievery, along with

our lazy-ass, outrage-hungry media's penchant for making everything into a "Both sides do it" scandal. Had Trump returned those documents upon first request, or second, or third, we never would have heard anything about it. This is not about "document tracking." It's about our shitty, useless media conflating one man's criminal acts and obstruction of justice with another's sloppiness. Please stop trying to make this a NARA issue. It is not. It's just a rabbit hole down which many of you are descending.