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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMore than half of U.S. employers surveyed by staffing firm Manpower "can't find qualified workers"
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Employers have been spoiled by the recession, said Melanie Holmes, a vice president with Manpower Group.
Holmes explained that the nations high unemployment rate left many recruiters feeling they didnt have to look very hard to find a great candidate, and they could skimp on money or benefits.
Employers also may not be willing to spend the time or money training someone for a highly specialized job, or one that requires unique skills.
http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/13/10142795-role-reversal-employers-say-they-cant-find-workers
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)bullshit.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)H1B Visa
Ok, one of those isn't a word. But it's the answer corporate finance folks (and Indian officials) are looking for.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)They are going to have problems...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That's the real problem. They always expect to find some young IT guru with tons of experience that they can pay peanuts and then wonder why people in the field don't even bother to respond.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)And several smaller companies doing programming, data bases, management, and I find I am either over qualified or under qualified for just about everything.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Since eventually, you can take on much more interesting tasks if you prove yourself capable. What I won't put up with is being underpaid. That's they problem most of them are having - they don't want to pay anything.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It isn't that they can't find qualified employees, it's that they don't want to hire older employees or pay decent wages.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)that *required* SEVEN years experience in "Social media marketing."
I mean, I guess one could go back to USENET if one really needed to, but come on, now. Who thought of themselves as doing "social media marketing" before even two or three years ago?
Luckily, this is not my field, but I did find it amusing.
Charlemagne
(576 posts)has 7 years experience at that?????
7 years ago was 2004/early 5. At that time people still had those "sign for XXX house of AOL" CDs floating around.
Yeah USENET, Geocities, and myspace is pretty much it
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)is my question.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)The AOL plague was more of a 1990's thing, same with usenet, geocities stuck around a bit longer than that.
Now I'm starting to feel old.
cojoel
(957 posts)If you work has hard as they want you to, you will have that experience in 3 1/2 years.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Dixiechick is correct about slave wages.
For some reason the public is reluctant to blame greedy employers and American business for the completely broken employment market. When I was at DOL, which I spent 24 years at, I could see the labor market being trashed continuously since 1980. American business simply does not want American workers and is viciously against any kind of social or economic contract. What they really want is a temporary ready made employee that they refuse to invest in.
The future of this and the next generation has been eliminated unless you will work for $8 to $10 an hour with few or no benefits. There is absolutely no interest in providing long term employment. In the end every worker will be just an independent contract worker. That is the reality of the "ownership" society that the GOP and big business promote. It is also the "new capitalism" that the 2012 election will be all about. This country will cease to be any kind of fair democracy with the GOP in power. Too many seniors are so racist that they will give up their Social Security and Medicare just to get rid of Obama.
So if you want to work for nothing and have jobs with no future, just vote for a Republican for office. That includes "vulture capitalist" Willard Romney. Voting Democratic is no guarantee, but they can be pushed to the left over time.
The American business community, the GOP, and the RW are unpatriotic and unAmerican. If you hate the US vote GOP.
The only solution in the end is to demand a Second Economic Bill of Right as put forward by Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 and FDR in 1944.
Bozita
(26,955 posts)DotGone
(182 posts)The ones around here are looking for entry level accountants with 5 years experience, CPA license, know 7 different tax prep and accounting software packages, and can program and implement SAP and Oracle systems. Yeah I wonder why the fuck they can't find "qualified" people.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)Even then I suspect they are receiving resumes from qualified people who would take the job out of desperation. Half the time the jobs listed are not really being offered.
Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)They used to have a major job fair at the Santa Clara Convention Center, back when Big Dog was President.
There were companies that attended that didn't have job openings (or at best had very few).
WHY would they pay for a booth at a job fair?
To be seen, to promote themselves as "an employer" (only companies who are doing well hire new employees)...in short, a "dog & pony" show.
They DID collect resumes, though. And having worked in H.R., I can tell you exactly what happens to resumes collected at job fairs. They sit on someone's desk, and MAYBE get divided up among hiring managers' desks, and then they sit THERE, and the hiring managers yell at H.R. "WHY HAVEN'T YOU FOUND ME ANY CANDIDATES?"
When I got hired at Cisco Systems, my hiring manager CIRCUMVENTED H.R., went to the Website for the Job Fair I mentioned above, saw my resume, CALLED me, and said "Are you still looking for work?"
kiva
(4,373 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)1. Advertise a position with qualifications that exactly fit an internal candidate and almost no one else. The internal candidate is the only one to apply and automatically gets the job.
2. Advertise a position with qualifications that no one in this country has but exactly fit someone who is waiting for a work visa.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Businesses have all sorts of sneaky ways of rejecting applicants.
I was once rejected for a job because I didn't have that state's driver's license. After I got the license, I was told that I "hadn't had it long enough"
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)There's this thing called "The Cost of Living" and even at it's rock bottom minimum, it has a price and it's never going down.
Hey, that's the economic system YOU foisted on us, corporations. How'd ya think freezing real dollar wages, defunding social programs, defunding benefits and serial firing was going to turn out? Or did you all just not care?
gulliver
(13,180 posts)If our American businesses need more qualified people, we can't fail them. We need to double our government investment in education, skills training, apprenticeships, etc. We could start by eliminating all government funding of "for profit" colleges and send that money to institutions that are "for education." Then raise teacher pay, hire more teachers and professors, build more schools, equip them...
It's hard to imagine anything that would be more business friendly.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)We have a GLUT of overqualified workers competing for peanut-level wages.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)"There aren't enough qualified workers" is used as an excuse for outsourcing. When it is used, we should come back and ask our Republican friends why they don't support education investment. Don't they want to be pro-business?
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Tool and Die Maker
Job Description
Crown Services Staffing is currently recruiting for 5 Tool and Die maker in the Carol Stream, IL Area
Troubleshooting and repairing tools.
Responsible for tools and fittings being sent from Japan for the local machines.
Must have experience measuring and working with parts with low tolerance measurements.
Need to have experience with welding and grinding of tools parts for repair.
Must have industrial machine experience and knowledge as these parts.
Please apply in Person:
Crown Services
637 W North Ave
Villa Park, IL 60181
Mon-Friday 7:30am-4pm.
Job Requirements
Must pass a background check and a drug test
Able to work weekends and the overtime is mandatory
2nd shift 5.00pm-1.30am+OT
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He never put an application in either. He got called out of the blue. The company must have somehow got a list of retired Tool and Die Makers from where we both retired from and started cold calling guys. $28 an hour and the regular shift is 5 days, ten hours a day with time and a half overtime pay for anything over 40 hours and double time for Sundays and Holidays. My brother told them no thanks he wasn't interested.
They asked him if he might know someone looking but my brother didn't know anyone interested.
This place is definitely hurting for qualified people in the Skilled Trades
Don
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)It's not just short money (white collar jobs with similar skill/knowledge levels are $60 -$100 K/yr), or what 6o hours+ a week will do to your legs, standing on concrete - It's having to fix shit you'd have been fired for producing 10 years ago!
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Comes out to not even $60 grand a year. Not enough as far as I am concerned. I would do it for $110 grand a year for a straight 40 hours a week. That would be fair with the cost of living today. But no less than that. And if they wanted to start mandatory me working overtime every week I would do it if the wages for doing that began approaching $150 grand a year. That is the only way.
But I think they have convinced a lot of people they are lucky with that part time minimum wage BS.
Unbelievable, isn't it?
Don
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I've noticed a nasty habit of workers over the last decade: They want Albert Einstein but they're only willing to pay Nobby Nobbs wages.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Either a Journeyman card similar to the one below for that trade or 8 years of verifiable experience working in that trade.
Don
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)The willingness to work for minimum or barely above minimum wages, and no benefits.
Oh and that job? It won't last but a year or so. Say hello to Just In Time employment.
octothorpe
(962 posts)they lack any stability or benefits. Sure, maybe they'll pay $12 - $20/hr (which for some of the jobs I've seen, is pretty low for what they want), but it's usually a contract position with no benefits and that is set to end six or twelve months down the road.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)However, if they are that desperate, maybe they could consider hiring somebody for four hour shifts, three days a week. It might be better than having nobody. How otherwise would they expect people to come out of retirement for ten hour days and mandatory overtime?
Initech
(100,068 posts)BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Who'll work for the pay of Burger King.
They don't fool me.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Sure.