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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,945 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:32 AM Jan 2023

Monterey Park shooter, age 72, is the oldest in the mass shooter database

The deadly shooting was as horrifying as it was rare.

“This is definitely unique,” said James Densley, president and co-founder of the Violence Project, a nonprofit organization that tracks mass shootings, which the group defines as those involving four or more people killed in a public space.

By that definition, 72-year-old Hemet resident Huu Can Tran — the man identified by authorities as the shooter — would be the oldest person in recent history to carry out a mass shooting, and only the second in their 70s to carry out such an attack, according to the Violence Project. The organization’s database dates back to 1966.


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According to mass shooting data compiled by both organizations, the average age of attackers is 33, making Tran more than twice as old of the vast majority of mass shooters.

The Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium uses a different definition for a mass shooting, which includes multiple victims who have been injured or killed during a shooting at a public location. Yet even under that definition, Tran would be among the oldest of perpetrators.

Of 402 incidents studied by the group between 1966 and 2020, only six of the perpetrators were older than 70 years old, Schildkraut said.

In 2009, an 88-year-old opened fire at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., killing one police officer and injuring two others. In 1981, a 70-year-old killed five people in a shooting in Allen, Ky.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-23/monterey-park-suspect-is-oldest-known-mass-shooter-in-u-s

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Srkdqltr

(6,292 posts)
8. No one needs an assault rifle. Except maybe women in the middle east or Ukraine.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Aim low ladies, hit them where it hurts.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,945 posts)
16. a few woman have killed two of their kids... not meeting the threshold for mass murder
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:50 PM
Jan 2023

Happened today.
https://www.newser.com/story/330744/in-massachusetts-man-comes-home-to-the-unimaginable.html

Happened a few years ago in Los angeles,


The infamous Susan smith of years ago, killed two kids.

UPDATE Jan 25, 2023 5:46 PM CST
"This is an unimaginable, senseless tragedy," says a Massachusetts prosecutor of the deaths of two children in Duxbury. Police were called to the home Tuesday night just after 6pm local time by a man who arrived at the house and came upon what's believed to be an attempted suicide by the children's mother. The Patriot Ledger reports the man stated she had jumped out a window. Inside, police found three young children unconscious and bearing "obvious signs of trauma."

Jan 25, 2023 1:49 PM CST
A 5-year-old girl and a 3-year-old boy were pronounced dead at a local hospital. An 8-month-old boy was transported by MedFlight to a Boston hospital and is currently hospitalized, as is the children's mother, reports MassLive. Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz says it's believed the five are all related, but "as I've often said at these terrible events, this is a slow and steady process" to determine what transpired. (If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts, call or text the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988 in the US.)

TheProle

(2,178 posts)
9. Vast majority; not all.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:03 PM
Jan 2023

2018: Nasim Aghdam - YouTube HQ
2015: Tashfeen Malik - San Bernardino Shooter, 14 Killed
2010: Amy Bishop - University of Alabama Shooting, 3 Killed
2008: Latina Williams - Louisiana Technical College, 2 Killed
2006: Jennifer San Marco - Goleta Post Office Shooting, 6 Killed
1988: Laurie Dann - Winnetka Elementary Shooting Spree, 1 Killed
1979: Brenda Spencer - Cleveland Elementary School Shooting, 2 Killed

TheProle

(2,178 posts)
11. Quite.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:21 PM
Jan 2023

Women shooters are exceedingly rare, but we do ourselves no favors by stating it doesn't happen at all.

Yours is a curious response to a list of facts. Is more knowledge or a clearer understanding a bad thing?

If you're offended by corrections, don't make such absolute and incorrect statements.

Srkdqltr

(6,292 posts)
18. You can mansplain until you turn purple but the data shows that men, by far, are the mass killers.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:04 PM
Jan 2023

The fact that there have been some does not change the fact that men are the most.

TheProle

(2,178 posts)
19. You are absolutely right (in this post)
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:08 PM
Jan 2023

and you were absolutely wrong when you said, "Still all men" upthread. I responded with the facts.

"Mansplaining" is a nice touch.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
12. "1979: Brenda Spencer - Cleveland Elementary School Shooting, 2 Killed"
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:07 PM
Jan 2023

Resulting in the song "I don't like Mondays" by the Boomtown Rats

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,945 posts)
17. a few women kill two of their kids, not meeting the threshhold. happened today
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:51 PM
Jan 2023

Happened today.
https://www.newser.com/story/330744/in-massachusetts-man-comes-home-to-the-unimaginable.html

Happened a few years ago in Los angeles,


The infamous Susan smith of years ago, killed two kids.

UPDATE Jan 25, 2023 5:46 PM CST
"This is an unimaginable, senseless tragedy," says a Massachusetts prosecutor of the deaths of two children in Duxbury. Police were called to the home Tuesday night just after 6pm local time by a man who arrived at the house and came upon what's believed to be an attempted suicide by the children's mother. The Patriot Ledger reports the man stated she had jumped out a window. Inside, police found three young children unconscious and bearing "obvious signs of trauma."

Jan 25, 2023 1:49 PM CST
A 5-year-old girl and a 3-year-old boy were pronounced dead at a local hospital. An 8-month-old boy was transported by MedFlight to a Boston hospital and is currently hospitalized, as is the children's mother, reports MassLive. Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz says it's believed the five are all related, but "as I've often said at these terrible events, this is a slow and steady process" to determine what transpired. (If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts, call or text the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988 in the US.)

Efilroft Sul

(3,579 posts)
3. So far.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:32 AM
Jan 2023

There are plenty of crazies in my Gen X cohort here in western Pennsylvania who will probably take a run at the record when they finally realize the coal and steel jobs didn't come back after all.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
13. There's a current database maintained by Mother Jones
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:17 PM
Jan 2023

tracking "mass shootings" from 1982 through 2023

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

There is no agreed upon definition of what constitutes a mass shooting, but according to RAND's Gun Policy Initiative in America

"Data show that, regardless of how one defines mass shootings, perpetrators are likely to be men."

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/mass-shootings.html

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