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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:48 AM

On Approaching 145,000 Posts, I'm Going to Slow Way Down

I joined DU in November of 2008. President Obama had just been elected as President, and I was over the moon with excitement about the possibilities. We seemed to be on the verge of a sea change in the course of our nation's progress. I decided that I would bring my years of experience in Democratic politics and campaigning to a popular national discussion forum.

Despite my optimism, I arrived here, only to see some DUers attacking the newly elected President for not being good enough, not being progressive enough, and not something else enough. Even as he worked to help Americans obtain more affordable healthcare, he was attacked on this very website. One DUer famously called him a "POS used car salesman," for Pete's sake!

Worse, despite his popularity, we were never able to give him a large enough majority in Congress to do all he might have done. Still, I maintained my optimism and did my best to encourage actions that would lead to that majority in the future.

Barack Obama led the nation through two terms in office, constantly trying to get progressive programs through a reluctant Congress. We never gave him a fully supportive Congress. Instead, many of us complained about what he didn't accomplish, rather than praising him for what he did accomplish.

After two terms as President, he had to move on. In 2016, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton ran for the office. She had served the nation well and enthusiastically. She was opposed in 2016 by an insane buffoon of a man, Donald J. Trump. Surely she would defeat such a poor excuse for a presidential candidate.

It wasn't to be. Even here on DU, candidate Clinton was attacked for whatever reasons could be mustered. I was dismayed through that entire campaign process. How could we attack a qualified, progressive woman who ran as a Democrat, when the Republican opponent was such an obviously unhinged, dangerous man? But we did. I believed that US voters would come through on election day, nevertheless, and elect Hillary Clinton. After all, so much was at stake, including several potential Supreme Court justices.

That was not to be, either. Enough disgruntled "progressives" refused to vote for candidate Clinton that three states were lost. Just three states and by precious few votes. I knew a few people who voted for Jill Stein, myself. Their reason? "I just don't like Hillary." Donald J. Trump was inaugurated in January. The Supreme Court shifted to a strong, conservative majority, and that spelled the end of Roe v. Wade, as we had been warned.

In 2020, we came to our senses and elected Joe Biden as President. However, we failed, once again, to give him a strong majority in Congress. Indeed, we lost our majority in the House in 2022, if only by a small, 4-vote margin. Despite that, President Biden has managed to accomplish much. Surely we would reward his success by working tirelessly to regain our congressional majority and magnify it. Right? Nope.

Instead, we now begin to complain about President Biden and declare him to be too old to run again. We appear ready to sever our collective nose once again to spite our collective face. Not only could we lose the presidency in 2024, we could also lose both houses of Congress.

All because some of us are unable to accept anything less than perfection. We risk losing everything for some vague expectation that we can have a perfect government. How could we be so stupid, again and again?

So, I will continue to log in on DU, as I have since 2008. I have a permanent tab open on it in my web browser. However, I will not be posting original posts here very often. I'm shifting my focus onto other ways I can try to influence things. I am tired, at the age of 77 years. I remain hopeful, but am also doubtful, unfortunately. It has not been a great 14 years. Nope.

Good luck to all of us! Good luck to the United States of America!

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MineralMan Jan 25 OP
Maeve Jan 25 #1
underpants Jan 25 #2
FalloutShelter Jan 25 #3
Elessar Zappa Jan 25 #4
bucolic_frolic Jan 25 #5
CentralMass Jan 25 #6
LiberalFighter Jan 25 #7
PatSeg Jan 25 #20
Ocelot II Jan 25 #8
PortTack Jan 25 #9
niyad Jan 25 #10
LittleGirl Jan 25 #13
pazzyanne Jan 25 #65
Tom Rinaldo Jan 25 #11
FakeNoose Jan 25 #12
bluestarone Jan 25 #14
SheltieLover Jan 25 #15
Model35mech Jan 25 #16
Martin68 Jan 25 #17
housecat Jan 25 #18
The Butler Jan 25 #19
1WorldHope Jan 25 #21
PatSeg Jan 25 #25
WestMichRad Jan 25 #22
calimary Jan 25 #52
pandr32 Jan 25 #23
panader0 Jan 25 #24
packman Jan 25 #26
PatSeg Jan 25 #27
lostnfound Jan 25 #28
hlthe2b Jan 25 #29
TheRickles Jan 25 #30
twodogsbarking Jan 25 #31
Wild blueberry Jan 25 #32
Hekate Jan 25 #33
usaf-vet Jan 25 #34
llashram Jan 25 #35
samnsara Jan 25 #38
llashram Jan 25 #43
3catwoman3 Jan 25 #36
samnsara Jan 25 #37
BlackSkimmer Jan 25 #39
MineralMan Jan 25 #40
Hekate Jan 26 #67
spanone Jan 25 #41
ancianita Jan 25 #42
debm55 Jan 25 #44
State the Obvious Jan 25 #45
old as dirt Jan 25 #46
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hunter Jan 25 #48
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orleans Jan 25 #50
Kaleva Jan 25 #51
malaise Jan 25 #53
bluboid Jan 25 #54
summer_in_TX Jan 25 #55
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Niagara Jan 25 #60
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EarnestPutz Jan 25 #62
Sympthsical Jan 25 #63
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:54 AM

1. Take care, a chara!

I am proud to call you "friend", for all that we've never met IRL. And I understand..

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:56 AM

2. ❤️

One of the old sages of DU. I highly respect and appreciate your posts/replies. YOU make DU better but of course you know what I say - DU, WiseÖ.and otherwise.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:57 AM

3. I agree with every word.

DU will be poorer without your content and voice.
Be well.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:58 AM

4. Don't lose hope, Mineral Man!

Biden was able to accomplish a lot in his first two years. Yes, these next two will suck but I have hope for 2024. Also, Democrats seem to be much more united than they were in the Obama/Hillary years. We can do this!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:03 AM

5. I feel your burnout too

I need the clash of ideologies to motivate me. Policy seems hand-to-hand combat in comparison.

I don't know how any of us can contribute. It's just a matter of time waiting for Republicans to implode or the citizenry to awaken. And we'll still have the courts to deal with.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:04 AM

6. Best of luck to you MineralMan. There is more tgen politics to write about

I done respects I think the first two years of Bidens presidency were rhe most unified the party has been for a long time. Although I have never liked the term or tge distinction Biden had a progressive agenda and both democratically controlled houses showed great unity on supporting him. Save Sinema and Manchin playing the role of spoilers. The usual games if back door deals and reps and senator voting for their own political purposes on a bill that they already know won't pass. Yhst unprecedented unity has been impressive and the agenda was focused on purring people first and it appears to have been popular. We kept the Senste and barely lost the House in what historical should have could have been a bloodbath.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:07 AM

7. Too many think it is easy. Too many are armchair quarterbacks when it comes to politics.

Too many are only thinking of the one instead of the many.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:39 AM

20. Yes, well said

Most people have no idea how complex and nuanced governing is. Whenever there is a victory, even a small one, people don't realize all that it took to even get that. I am often amazed that sincere, decent politicians keep trying as the rewards are few and the complaints many.

American voters can be very fickle and have limited memories. They expect their latest political hero to wave a magic wand and fix everything overnight. Even if he/she could, voters would find something to complain about.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:19 AM

8. I get what you're saying but don't give up. There will always be a few

who belong to the Wanting My Pony Now faction, and I am actually seeing fewer of them these days than previously - maybe because many have abandoned DU in favor of the rainbowier pastures of JPR, where they can continue to love Tulsi Gabbard and Vlad the Impaler II and rail about Democrats as corporatist tools who don't love Russia in a safe haven where lunatic ideology of the right and left comes full circle. I haven't seen much complaining about Biden, just a lot of whining from people who don't understand the legal system and don't seem to want to understand it about why TFG hasn't been indicted yet. When he is indicted - and I am confident that he will be - there will be many more furious complaints. Why wasn't he charged with espionage, barratry, simony, or shooting fish from an airplane in violation of 16 USC ß742j-1(a)(1)? Why isn't he in Leavenworth right now? Where's the firing squad? Why is he being allowed a trial? Und so weiter.

But it's the Internet. Even DU can be weird because it's the Internet. So with that understanding I'm hanging in here with the majority of rational, thoughtful people and the abundance of cat videos. I don't argue much with the naysayers any more because I'm old and I don't have time for them. So I encourage you to keep offering your rational thoughtfulness because we need as much of it as possible.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:27 AM

9. Understand completely!

And yes, sometimes itís best to not engage when ppl are being negative.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:33 AM

10. I, for one, would miss your wise and thoughtful posts. But I also understand

your frustrations. There are days. . Just live your best and happiest life, and know that you are valued here.

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Response to niyad (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:58 AM

13. +1, me too. I respect our elders

And Iím 63, lol.

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Response to niyad (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:13 PM

65. + 1

I came here in 2016 (enough said) And you were one of the posters who helped restore my sanity! Your posts quickly became must read for me. Thank you for your excellent outlook on politics and your wise words. I will miss reading your posts! Please sign in when the spirit moves you to do so! Some of us need your clear-eyed take on what is happening day to day.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:37 AM

11. Please do stay connected here

You are a very valued member of this community. But don't lose sight of the fact that even a warm and relatively cohesive site like DU exists on the wild wide open internet, and it is a place where even thoughtful posters can feel safe to let off some steam and express frustrations. And when you talk about the behavior of registered Democrats we are talking about tens of millions of individuals many of whom may have checked that box on the voter registration form without giving hardly a thought to the policy agenda that they believe in. They are Democrats in name only, which doesn't make them secret Republicans, but it does mean that there is little that holds them loyally in the Democratic camp. When I think about all the people who I know personally, including extended family and neighbors etc. I know that most of them don't give a whole lot of thought to politics. In my opinion many of them vote against their own self interests far too frequently, but that too is part of human nature. People often react emotionally opposing logic. We can and should work to counter it but there is no more sense in becoming depressed over human nature than there is in becoming depressed about the weather. Yeah, we all slip into it sometimes but we then have to snap out of it.

Meanwhile when it comes to disgruntled progressive activist types, far far more goes on here to encourage people who see shortcomings in Democratic politicians to vote for them anyway, than goes on here to discourage anyone from voting for a qualified Democrat. I too think that Joe Biden has been doing an excellent job, though from time to time there are matters where I may not rank him at 100%. Such is life, such are viewpoints, everyone has their own which is exactly as it should be.

I understand frustration from the left, and it needs to be vented somewhere. Democratic politicians count on votes from those who may be more leftist than they themselves, so it is not unfair to expect them to at least hear out those frustrations, if they want those people to ultimately vote for them. Over my lifetime the minimum wage has failed miserably to keep up with inflation, and the pay of CEO's relative to average workers has skyrocketed. Dirty money has become more powerful than ever, and we still don't have universal health insurance and pay the most for meds of any nation in the world. Etc. Etc. Some Democratic politicians are a little too willing to accept support from large special interests who do not have the best interests of average Americans at heart. But in almost every single case even they are far better than the Republicans who they run against. But there I am again rooting for logic when sometimes people spontaneously react more with emotion.

I firmly believe that no one blindly owes the Democratic Party their unblinking loyalty. Political parties exist for the people not the other way around. They have to win votes, and those of us who see the logic in supporting one party over another in any given election have to help them win those votes. Blasting those who for the moment haven't yet been won over rarely is helpful.

You have consistently done far more than your share to make the case for voting Democratic. Please never stop making that effort!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:54 AM

12. I've enjoyed reading your many wonderful posts

Thanks for sharing your personal views, wise insights and funny stories over the years. I can understand your discouragement, I really can. But I'll also say that once you've spent time on other forums, you'll start missing the safety, the warmth and the friendship on DU. There are no other places like it out there.

Politics is always a tricky subject that sometimes brings out the worst in us, but it can also bring out the best. Sometimes. Please don't stay away too long.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:08 AM

14. Just want to say i'm very SADDENED by this. (but i truly understand it)

YOU are one of the most knowledgeable (an strongest) persons on this site. it's hard to come here and read almost continuous attacks on the Democrats that are fighting daily in congress and investigations that continue. I'll be 76 this year, and some days i cannot take the news coming from the TRAITORS controlling the House. I'll continue to read EVERY future posts you make. Hang in their friend!!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:08 AM

15. Congrats on 145k!

And thank you for your tireless work for our democracy. I always enjoy your posts!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:13 AM

16. It is of course, your choice.

I look forward to watching your struggle to break what is obviously a good habit and healthy outlet for your feelings.

I've been down that road. Stepped away after 14 years and 35+K posts in 2016, only to find a place I had even a chance of finding like souls who might understand my ranting.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:13 AM

17. Promises, promises...

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:18 AM

18. Please sleep on it before finalizing any decisions. You can pass the torch and still stay in

the game, because we need the best critics now more than ever.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:23 AM

19. Mineral Man

Mostly a lurker here. We are the same age. Both veterans. I was in the Army Security Agency and you I believe were in the Air Force Security Service. Been wondering on your take on the classified documents issue. What would have happened to us if we inadvertently folded a classified document and put it in our pocket(instead of the burn bag) on the way out of operations and were caught? At a minimum it would be an article 15. If it were deemed serious enough some time at Fort Leavenworth would be in store. What are your thoughts on this?

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:40 AM

21. I understand your frustration.

Not necessarily here at DU, but just the amount of time I invest everyday caring what happens to our government when most of America really isn't paying attention. They don't have time. When I visit my kids I'm reawakened every time to the reality that they don't have time for politics. When they do have time to relax, that's the last thing they want to do. I always come home and ask myself, do I want to immerse myself back into this daily fight? How much time do we have left on this planet? Do I want to spend it all feeling hopeless and angry? It feels too important to ignore, but what am I changing? I feel helpless. At least here I'm not the minority opinion for a change. So, I totally get it.

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Response to 1WorldHope (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:47 AM

25. Yes, it is understandable

I remember when I was young and raising children, there was little time or motivation to get involved in politics. So I keep that in mind when I am tempted to be critical of younger people that I believe to be apathetic and uninformed. They are just in a different place in their lives, a place I've been as well.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:41 AM

22. I'm only about 144,500 posts behind you

Ö but Iíve very much enjoyed reading your thoughtful contributions for all these years (many of which I was a lurker). Youíve gracefully put into words some ideas Iíve had, and helped explain and rationalize important thinking I had otherwise missed.

Thank you for your contributions to DU!

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Response to WestMichRad (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:50 PM

52. Welcome to DU, WestMichRad!

We have some world-class thinkers and writers here, and they make us smarter every day. Smarter, better-informed, better-reasoned, and highly-motivated to defend democracy.

Like our MineralMan has done here, whose wisdom has been inspiring all of us for years!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:43 AM

23. I wish you well and successful endeavors.

You have always been a rational, informative, and interesting poster. Needless to say, your posts will be missed, but it is good to know you are remaining part of the DU community.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:45 AM

24. Your posts are always full of sage and sober advice. I always read them.

So when there's something important, please weigh in. Perhaps a warm spring will bring you back.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:49 AM

26. Hey, youngster - 82 here and still trying to be full of piss and vinegar

There is still a lot of race to be run. Be doubtful and full of that ennui when you're dead.

As for us possibly losing all in 2024 - Life is a journey, it will go on. I have faith in people's desire to want better and to move (even if it be ever so slowly and haltingly) towards that goal.

You always posted provocative, insightful, informative posts - so what if some disagreed with you?

The world would be worse, less bright, without those voices in the desert. Keep shouting, keep kickin' em in the shins.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:51 AM

27. That is understandable

We have to put our focus where we feel it is the most productive or rewarding. Meanwhile, I'm sure we'll see you around and about from time to time.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:51 AM

28. Outliers. If you took a poll about Obama at Du, I bet 90% would give him great ratings

I personally found that he carried out the duties of the presidency with Amazing Grace, competence, persistence, diligence and wisdom. Best of my lifetime.

Outliers saying the used car comment should not grate on you, many are probably trolls, not friends or allies, and some are just inexperienced and unrealistic.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:54 AM

29. I think you will miss the good things DU offers, but best wishes...

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:59 AM

30. I've appreciated your posts, and I'm boggled by the numbers.

145,000 posts in 15 years is roughly 10,000 per year, which works out to about 30 each and every day.

Yikes! And thanks.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:04 PM

31. Well thanks for playing. Keep in touch.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:04 PM

32. Thank you

Your posts are excellent, thoughtful, well written, and full of valuable information.
It sounds as though you are taking good care of yourself.

I'm an elder, too, and find that I'm going slower and learning more about letting go.
Having campaigned for good people, served two terms on my town board, and now serving as a poll worker, I feel okay about my civic duty. Time for me to start passing the baton.

Just wanted to say Thank you.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:11 PM

33. 🌺. Kick, Rec, & Keep the Faith. I've enjoyed our conversations over the years...

I know youíll be doing good work out there IRL, as you always have.
Weíll keep the light on for you













(I myself spent most of Obamaís presidency in the Barack Obama Group, aka BOG. It was disappointing, to say the least. )

Putting this here, because reasons:

On Approaching 145,000 Posts, I'm Going to Slow Way Down
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I joined DU in November of 2008. President Obama had just been elected as President, and I was over the moon with excitement about the possibilities. We seemed to be on the verge of a sea change in the course of our nation's progress. I decided that I would bring my years of experience in Democratic politics and campaigning to a popular national discussion forum.

Despite my optimism, I arrived here, only to see some DUers attacking the newly elected President for not being good enough, not being progressive enough, and not something else enough. Even as he worked to help Americans obtain more affordable healthcare, he was attacked on this very website. One DUer famously called him a "POS used car salesman," for Pete's sake!

Worse, despite his popularity, we were never able to give him a large enough majority in Congress to do all he might have done. Still, I maintained my optimism and did my best to encourage actions that would lead to that majority in the future.

Barack Obama led the nation through two terms in office, constantly trying to get progressive programs through a reluctant Congress. We never gave him a fully supportive Congress. Instead, many of us complained about what he didn't accomplish, rather than praising him for what he did accomplish.

After two terms as President, he had to move on. In 2016, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton ran for the office. She had served the nation well and enthusiastically. She was opposed in 2016 by an insane buffoon of a man, Donald J. Trump. Surely she would defeat such a poor excuse for a presidential candidate.

It wasn't to be. Even here on DU, candidate Clinton was attacked for whatever reasons could be mustered. I was dismayed through that entire campaign process. How could we attack a qualified, progressive woman who ran as a Democrat, when the Republican opponent was such an obviously unhinged, dangerous man? But we did. I believed that US voters would come through on election day, nevertheless, and elect Hillary Clinton. After all, so much was at stake, including several potential Supreme Court justices.

That was not to be, either. Enough disgruntled "progressives" refused to vote for candidate Clinton that three states were lost. Just three states and by precious few votes. I knew a few people who voted for Jill Stein, myself. Their reason? "I just don't like Hillary." Donald J. Trump was inaugurated in January. The Supreme Court shifted to a strong, conservative majority, and that spelled the end of Roe v. Wade, as we had been warned.

In 2020, we came to our senses and elected Joe Biden as President. However, we failed, once again, to give him a strong majority in Congress. Indeed, we lost our majority in the House in 2022, if only by a small, 4-vote margin. Despite that, President Biden has managed to accomplish much. Surely we would reward his success by working tirelessly to regain our congressional majority and magnify it. Right? Nope.

Instead, we now begin to complain about President Biden and declare him to be too old to run again. We appear ready to sever our collective nose once again to spite our collective face. Not only could we lose the presidency in 2024, we could also lose both houses of Congress.

All because some of us are unable to accept anything less than perfection. We risk losing everything for some vague expectation that we can have a perfect government. How could we be so stupid, again and again?

So, I will continue to log in on DU, as I have since 2008. I have a permanent tab open on it in my web browser. However, I will not be posting original posts here very often. I'm shifting my focus onto other ways I can try to influence things. I am tired, at the age of 77 years. I remain hopeful, but am also doubtful, unfortunately. It has not been a great 14 years. Nope.

Good luck to all of us! Good luck to the United States of America!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:13 PM

34. Ditto to this quote. It could have been written by me. I joined in 2008, I'm 76 otherwise thanks....

.... MineralMan for this and the other 145K.

"So, I will continue to log in on DU, as I have since 2008. I have a permanent tab open on it in my web browser. However, I will not be posting original posts here very often. I'm shifting my focus onto other ways I can try to influence things. I am tired, at the age of 77 years. I remain hopeful, but am also doubtful, unfortunately. It has not been a great 14 years. Nope.

Good luck to all of us! Good luck to the United States of America!"

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:33 PM

35. thank you

I always appreciate the truth. I'll be 75 2morrow and I have a lot of frustration about how we can be our own worst enemy sometimes. Peace to you in this new year. Hopefully, peace to us all.

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Response to llashram (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:37 PM

38. happy early birthday!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:13 PM

43. thank you

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:34 PM

36. Your posts have always been ones I have opened and found very worth reading.

I do hope you will stop by from time to time and continue to grace us with your well-written and wise musings.

Wishing you serenity.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:36 PM

37. Hillary was the most qualified candidate in History for the office of Prez...a pox on those who..

..voted against her.

Long live Madam President!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:40 PM

39. I agree with much of what you say.

I also find that DU has changed quite a bit since I joined in 2005.

It was more enjoyable back in the bad old days, imo.

We disagreed occasionally, but for the most part agreed. I also am posting less.

Keep fighting the good fight!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:45 PM

40. Thanks for all the kind words, my friends.

Now that this has dropped off the trending list, I wanted to say thanks!

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Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:47 AM

67. Till we meet again...

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 12:55 PM

41. A tip of the hat, sir.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:02 PM

42. Thank you, MM, for your government service, for your calm, clear insights and lessons.

May you live your best life in your years ahead, and may we be graced with your visits now and then.

Good luck to you, too.




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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:13 PM

44. Thank you Mineral Man. I signed up in 2004, only recently started posting. I have read your posts

and would look for them everyday. Thank you so much for your insight and determination. I will miss you.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:40 PM

45. Thank you for sharing your....

...life's knowledge and experiences with us. You have made a difference.

Experience is not what happens to a man; it is what a man does with what happens to him.
~Aldous Huxley


(from It's Never Too Late...To Begin Again ~Julia Cameron)

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:33 PM

46. We All Slow Down

DON MCLEAN Dreidel

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:56 PM

47. I had noticed your posts were less frequent

and figured you were winding down for a break.

I joined about 9 months before you and watched DU lose its mind through 8 years of a historically-elected Democratic President, who was vitriolically referred to as and dubbed our "turd way neoliberal POS used car salesman" 44th President, who we were promised would approve TPP and the Keystone pipeline, and implement chained-CPI (among other RW talking point things), essentially killing off the party and the nation.

What gets me through with joy at this point, despite the restless masses ready to haul out the same playbook again, is that this current President is not only a lawyer (who actually briefly practiced as one), but was a Senator for 35 years - having been elected in that chamber before any of the current longest-serving members had arrived, including Feinstein, Grassley, Turtle, and Murray (and was even there before Leahy who has recently retired). His expertise revolved around foreign affairs and the judiciary - two subjects with notable relevance at the moment. He was also a VP for 8 years and has a deep knowledge of the inner workings of the WH and Executive Branch.

In essence, he is probably the most qualified, knowledgeable, and experienced person to be in that position during these trying times, in recent memory.

I hope to hear from you from time to time because certainly, your calm and erudite posts are a breath of fresh air that helps to cut through so much of the angst, defeatism, and frustration that DU often gets stuck in.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:21 PM

48. My kids may be fiercer than I ever was, not just the biological kids...

... since I'm old enough now to see thirty-something neighbors and random acquaintances as kids.

I hope you've got plenty of opportunities to share your wisdom and experience with the kids.

I'm always hesitant to call anything I bring to the table as wisdom because I've always been crazy as all fuck. Ask anyone who knows me. Especially my kids, biological or not.

They're free to decide what's my wisdom and what's not.

My frustration with DU is all the noise from twitter, cable television news, trolls, etc., but that's not inhibiting from posts of five paragraphs or more, at my usual DU rate.

Does this count as a five paragraph plus post?

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/five-paragraph-essay/

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:24 PM

49. Although nearly a decade younger, I can relate to a lot you said

There have been many, many devastating political events over the years.
To name a few off the top of my head:
Kennedy & MLK Assassinations.
Vietnam War
Nixon Watergate & Pardon
Jimmy Carter missing a second term.
Reagan Iran Contra.
Willie Horton Ad and Gary Hart hit job.
Newt Gingrich stoking Us vs Them partisanship that continues to divide the country
Florida/SCOTUS stealing the election from Gore
War Crimes of Bush years
Electing Donald Trump
Young unarmed blacks being shot in the back by police again and again and again
etc, etc.

They often took the wind out of my sails.
I had to pause. Catch my breath.
Sometimes, that would take a long time.

I did find migrating to local issues helped fill the void and give me a break.
I did tend to have a more direct effect on the outcome.
Sometimes, I just had to stop all together for a while.

Every time a black gets shot in the back by police, it hits me like I failed them.
I'm finding those harder and harder to deal with. I'm so sick of it.
I fought against that for 50+ years and do not seem to have much to show for it.
America has failed them.
Ditto for kids shot up in schools.

So I lick my wounds and try to find something else to fight for while I try to heal up.

It seems that there have been a lot more tough days than good ones during my lifetime.

But I'll probably keep swinging until I drop.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:33 PM

50. damn! i really like reading your posts

if you have a change of heart, we'll be here. (hopefully)

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:37 PM

51. I've always thought of you as one of the pillars of DU. Thank you for your service.!

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:05 PM

53. Damn I will miss you MineralMan

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:49 PM

54. wow! brilliant, Mineral Man -

THANK YOU for all the posts you've written - I keep wondering who could possibly NOT SEE the brilliance of Biden's long experience at just about EVERY SINGLE TURN in the road. it is truly disheartening to run into short-sighted/narrow minded stuff - I totally understand your point though. just know that there are more of us who get the big picture than there are of the tiny/tight-minds. that's what gets me through the storms.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:50 PM

55. Thank you, Mineral Man.

Your posts have always been ones that were tempered, wise, thoughtful, informed. I am glad you aren't going completely away, but will miss not seeing your posts as often. If there's another place you write, I'd like to follow there as well. And if you find a great place to spend your energies in defense of our democracy, I'm looking too.

I've found some, but am not sure the best ROI for me in that work.

Yes, good luck to us all and good luck to the United States of America.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:56 PM

56. Live in those places you have traction.

Don't spin your wheels.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:46 PM

57. My best to you, take care n/t

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:00 PM

58. You're one of my favourite posters, so I shall miss you.

Thanks for all the great reads though.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:04 PM

59. Good luck to you Mineral Man. Even though I've only read a smaller number of your...

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posts since I've not even yet reached 3 yrs here. I've enjoyed them.

dang I thought closed that last [ u ]
Apparently not how annoying...goes to fix.

I hope you'll feel more effective in what you do next, but hope to see you around at times as well. Maybe you'll miss the wide range of people here in terms of life experiences, their various localities and what that brings to us.

I joined in early June '20. I also was getting ready for my first (?only) trip to Europe in early Sept so a lot of my excited, and nervous energy was directed there.When I came back in very later Sept I was here more often, but I can't remember whether I engaged the more stubborn progressive posters.
Although I was engaging a stubborn progressive on a different off-forum political thread elsewhere before I came here.

I hope I said something about drumpf since I am an NYC'r and long time disgusted w him. And I really respect/ed Hillary! If nothing else - I had to have said things related to the Supreme Court! I've done that in previous
Presidential campaigns.

I consider myself a liberal and progressive. But I consider my self practical in pushing progressive ideas.
I don't think I ever let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I'm extra tired so I'm not sure if I've reversed it. I'm sure from context you know what I mean.

As far as the Obama slamming went - Woah, I'm kind of glad I missed all those horrid insults! Just.....wow.

Yeah, I knew he wasn't going to be as progressive as I might want in some areas but he did some very good things.
Plus he was so smart, compassionate, learned, and had such a dry sense of humor! Who wouldn't want that. (rhetorical)

As a pretty aware white woman I also knew he had to walk a tightrope at tines being the first Black President, as well!
(and even without being "the angry Blackman" he still got more death threats than any other Presidents! Then we truly saw the massive amount of poison they spewed once Drumpf gave the racists permission)

Anyway good luck, Good health, stay safe, have fun, and hopefully see you from time to time.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:50 PM

60. I have noticed that you haven't been creating OP's lately.

Take some time and enjoy the small pleasures in life and I'm glad to hear that you're not leaving us entirely.



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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:56 PM

61. Can you tell us what the "other ways" are? nt

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:19 PM

62. I've always thought that your posts were cogent, well written, filled with.....

.....common sense and illustrative of the best Minnesota-style, Democratic-Farm-Labor, old fashioned Democratic Party ideals. You have posted less lately and Iíve missed hearing from you. Please donít let us go too long without hearing from you and keep that pick-up truck running.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:30 PM

63. I remember being told to shut up a lot as an LGBTer during many of these times

Don't make waves. Don't criticize. Our people, right or wrong. Don't pressure. And this made me flashback to all of that.

Just accept what the top will have for you.

But history is not accomplished by accepting what the top allows. It is created when the bottom creates the pressure and imperative to act.

History says we were right, the accommodationists were not.

This attitude is one of the comfortable.

We're supposed to be for those who are not.

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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:19 PM

66. Be well MineralMan, it has been a pleasure to know you.

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Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:55 AM

68. Uff da.

Wonderful post, thank you for being a Democrat.

Never give up, never surrender!

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Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:06 AM

69. I care about honesty and you, Mineral Man, have always been honest

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I care about civility, and you have always been civil. I consider you a valuable member of the DU community. If your life is better served by reducing your time here I wish you all the happiness, though your contributions will be missed.

In a community as large as DU, there will always be disagreements. Honest, civil disagreements are a healthy and necessary aspect to any meaningful discussion forum. Unfortunately in a community this size there will be members who are less civil, less open minded, and prone to purity tests or other unproductive attitudes. There will also be enemy agents posing as Democrats who cleverly drive wedges between us. This is to be expected and should not dishearten us in the least, for then they will have succeeded.

I will be honest with you, Mineral Man. We have had our disagreements. I joined DU in 2002 during GW's campaign of lies to launch the unjustified PNAC war in Iraq. I was passionate about stopping that murderous calamity before it began, and I will never forgive the neocon perpetrators of those war crimes.

I was heratbroken when more Democratic leaders did not step up to expose the lies in the effort to a war which has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. It disgraced the United States, helped recruit the next generation of hardened terrorists, and began a horrific era of chaos in the region that still goes on. We took our focus away from Afghanistan, ruining any chance for a good outcome there. Our soldiers wounded in body and mind will suffer the rest of their lives. Families will forever grieve the loss of loved ones who died for delusions of conquest and greed.

In all honesty I was especially disappointed with John Kerry, who rose to prominence as leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He was well suited to lead the effort to stop the tragic war in Iraq before it began. I can't fully express in words how I felt when he, along with other Democratic leaders like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden voted to give GW Bush the authority to invade Iraq with the Iraq War Resolution in October 2002.

For the longest time that was my hard and fast litmus test in Democratic primaries. Nobody who supported or voted for that resolution got my vote. Of course I voted fot the Democratic nominee in general elections, and even campaigned for Kerry to unseat the war criminal in 2004.

I finally broke my vow in 2020 by voting for Joe Biden in the Democratic primary because I believed he had the best chance to achieve the existential necessity of defeating the Orange Abomination. I've always liked and admired Joe Biden, despite one severe and other minor disagreements.

Just as I like and admire you, Mineral Man. I wish you all the Best.

Sincerely,
Martin

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Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:04 AM

70. You, H2O Man, pC Intern and others are posters for which I always look forward to.

I will miss you.

Be well and carry on.

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Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:33 AM

71. NAILED IT



Thank you for a great summary of your time here, and for your continued presence.



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Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:13 AM

72. I hear you, Mineral Man.

I am thinking something similar, although probably for different reasons.

It may be time for me to step aside and give more space to younger blood and other opinions.

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