Gun control laws are likely to be passed and enacted in Michigan this year

[Kaleva]

Participated in a state wide zoom conference call for Moms Demand Action last night. 160 attended. The guest speaker who works with the legislature on gun control measures said that several bill will very likely be pass by the state legislature and signed into law by Gov. Whitmer.

Some info on the proposed bills:

"One Democratic bill blocked by the current GOP-led Legislature would require adult gun owners with children in their home to store their firearms in a secure lockbox. Adults could face up to five years in prison if they fail to secure a weapon that a minor uses to injure or kill themselves or others.

Another bill would create a “red flag law,” allowing a judge to issue an "extreme risk protection order" authorizing police to seize guns from those deemed a risk themselves or others.

Whitmer also wants to close a loophole that allows people to buy long guns from a private seller without submitting to a background check required for purchases from a dealer. "

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/gov-gretchen-whitmers-do-list-gun-control-tax-cuts-right-work-repeal


I and the other members of Moms Demand Action will be getting an email soon which will explain the bills in greater detail.

Gov. Whitmer will be giving her State of the State address tonight and she'll be talking about these bills, amongst other topics, at 7 p.m. EST.

These gun control measures are only possible because for the first time in many years, Democrats control both chambers of the state legislature and the governorship.

[James48]

1. Don't call it "Gun control".

That’s a political mistake.

Call it “Gun Safety Bills”.

Asking for these items are all gun safety initiatives, and will be supported if proposed in that way.

There is very little support in Michigan for assault weapons bans, or magazine bans. But red flag laws and securing your guns have lots of support.

[Kaleva]

9. Gun safety bills would be a better term

The question of banning assault weapons was brought up but it was said that this being Michigan, it would be unlikely to pass at this time.

[MichMan]

2. Wonder if Gov. Whitmer is going to reintroduce the 45 cents a gallon gas tax increase ?

She was advocating for it shortly after taking office to repair the roads, but the Republicans wouldn't agree to it.

[at140]

4. 90% if road damage is caused by

Trucks. My little Chevy Spark is very easy on the roads. The tax should be based on vehicle weight and annual mileage. Both those numbers are easily available.

[MichMan]

5. How would a gas pump know what your cars weight and annual mileage is to charge a variable gas tax?

Scales at each pump and an onboard mileage wireless recorder in each vehicle, so the appropriate gas tax could be charged at each fill up?

Not clear how something like that would be implemented.

[at140]

13. Obviously you don't own a car

Every state I have lived in, the DOL knows my exact model of car, it's weight.

And my insurance company knows exactly how many miles I have on my odometer since I am compelled to declare it to get proper insurance rate.

DOL & INSURANCE companies routinely exchange information.

[MichMan]

14. I've owned cars for 45 years and have never seen gas taxes based on weight & miles driven

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License and registration fees can vary in some states due to the weight of the vehicle, and one of the factors in auto insurance cost is annual mileage (based on the honor system). Neither of those have anything at all to do with gas taxes.

Gas taxes are assessed per gallon at the pump when you buy fuel. They are the same regardless of the type of vehicle the nozzle is inserted in or how many miles you drove. No state charges different gas tax rates depending on what car you drive or how many annual miles.

How would the gas station be able to change the amount of the tax programmed into the pump to change for every kind of vehicle that drove up ? Explain to me exactly how that would work.

[at140]

20. Read my post again.

I never said gas taxes ARE based on weight and mileage.
What I said was gas taxes SHOULD be based on weight & mileage.

[MichMan]

21. I give up

I know they aren't now.... , but again, how would it be implemented ?

You pull up to a gas station to fill up. The gas tax charged on each gallon would vary based on a) the weight of your car, and b) the number of miles you drive a year.

Drive a Chevy Spark $10k miles a year, you pay 40 cents a gallon in tax. Drive a Ford Explorer 20k miles a year, you pay 80 cents a gallon in tax.

How would a gas station be able to know all of that when you pulled up to the pump, so they could charge you the correct amount?

Have a scale to weigh your car at each pump, and then plug in to your car's electronics to determine your odometer reading? who would pay for all of that technology ?

I have asked several times, and you haven't answered.

[at140]

24. My Last answer:

The gas tax will NOT be charged at the fuel pump.
It will be a bill every auto owner will get once a year from DOL.
It will be based on registered weight of vehicle and miles driven in a year.
DOL has information on every motorized vehicle.
Every state requires Auto liability insurance. And insurance company bases those rates on miles driven, vehicle class, and driver information.

[MichMan]

25. I see a lot of advantages

Most people wouldn't mind getting a bill for an entire years worth of gas taxes all at once. Many might prefer paying for it all at once instead of as they go.

I bet people that drive big delivery trucks, or tow trailers would love a system that would only tax them based on the unladen weights of their vehicles. Probably saves them a lot of $$ that way.

Instead of being taxed at the pump, it would be based on annual miles driven, as self reported to your car insurance. You would pay less taxes if you fudged the truth and said you only drive half as much as you really do. Lots of people would like that.

Sure, if you drive out of state, none of those states would get to collect the taxes on the gas you bought to maintain their roads, it would all go to your home state, but they'll get by.

[Buckeyeblue]

16. This should be a separate thread but...

The big issue with the roads in Michigan is our weather. Snow gives roads a short shelf life. The snow plows are what destroy our roads. But we need them to function in the winter.

We will always need to pay more for road repair, at least until someone comes up with indestructible material to build roads.

[at140]

3. So long as they don't impose

Fees for me to keep a gun at home, those proposals seem logical to me.
I am in my 80's and no kids living in my house. The handgun is my only chance if some intruder breaks in. I practice regularly at gun range, and routinely fire 7 shots (my magazine capacity) inside 6 inch circle at paper target located 30 feet away in less than 5 seconds. That is lot quicker than help to arrive with a 911 call.

[gibraltar72]

6. This will go over big in Hillsdale County.

Yeah that is sarcasm.

[roamer65]

15. The gun humpers down there will foaming at the mouths.

My advice to them would be to move to Indiana.

This the kinda garbage representing Indiana just across the border from MI.

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[gibraltar72]

17. The Republiguns in Hillsdale are too busy fighting with each other.

Lawsuits are flying over who can and can't be a Republigun. The comedy level is sublime.

[roamer65]

18. We should give them free guns then...

It would save on useless litigation.

[gibraltar72]

19. Believe me they have plenty.

[MichMan]

26. There are a lot more guns in Wayne & Oakland counties than would ever be in Hillsdale

[SYFROYH]

7. Please post the details.

I'm curious about the details of the safe storage law in particular.

[Kaleva]

8. When I get them them I will

The measures are expected to be introduced sometimes next month

[fescuerescue]

10. Illinois should do the same thing

To get Chicago violence down.

[UTUSN]

11. K& big R#5

[spanone]

12. ...K&R...

[ripcord]

22. If these laws are passed will they be enforced?

Will county sheriffs enforce these laws or decide they violate the 2nd Amendment?

[Kaleva]

23. I think very likely they will

None of these bills are about banning any type of gun.