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tblue37

(65,524 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:35 PM Jan 2023

Jeff Tiedrich tweet about debt ceiling and threatened Social Security cuts:

holy fucking shit, Donald Trump's tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy are responsible for a QUARTER OF OUR NATION'S ENTIRE DEBT and Republicans want to cut YOUR social security to pay for it, and that's what this debt ceiling bullshit is all about. fucking unacceptable


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Jeff Tiedrich tweet about debt ceiling and threatened Social Security cuts: (Original Post) tblue37 Jan 2023 OP
Say it louder................ Lovie777 Jan 2023 #1
often. campaign ads. housecat Jan 2023 #3
And every day Rebl2 Jan 2023 #4
Unfortunately Dems too often don't do communication well. HUAJIAO Jan 2023 #17
I think it is more due to the fact that Republicans own almost all the media rurallib Jan 2023 #20
That is also very true. So how to get around the media, or through. HUAJIAO Jan 2023 #23
We need to have some folks with money invest the way the rurallib Jan 2023 #27
i heard him talking about buying radio stations in part of his show orleans Jan 2023 #35
"...when Dems what little media coverage they do get, it is not friendly." markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #30
I've been complaining about that for a long time. calimary Jan 2023 #24
Unfortunately, I believe you are right and they don't have a clue. HUAJIAO Jan 2023 #25
Oh, I think they understand how important messaging is. soldierant Jan 2023 #31
I wonder what would happen if some wealthy Dems or Dem group were to purchase calimary Jan 2023 #34
That would be lovely. soldierant Jan 2023 #38
I don't know how well this is going to work, soldierant Jan 2023 #39
And there it is. 2naSalit Jan 2023 #2
Giant billboards should be put up in repukes areas saying these words exactly kimbutgar Jan 2023 #5
Big K&R Bayard Jan 2023 #6
Keep your GD hands OFF Cha Jan 2023 #7
The Oligarchs and GOP believe that all US assets belong to them. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #8
Boom there it is! Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #9
Somebody yes. I agree. But who will actually do it ?? HUAJIAO Jan 2023 #18
K&R! dchill Jan 2023 #10
This was the long play they had in mind the entire time Mr. Ected Jan 2023 #11
Thanks for printing the tweet ! KS Toronado Jan 2023 #12
Tweets still load for me. Takket Jan 2023 #13
Their elderly voters don't like social security and medicare? IronLionZion Jan 2023 #14
they hate brown people more, it would seem Skittles Jan 2023 #19
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Jan 2023 #15
About time for "Campaign Style" ads 3825-87867 Jan 2023 #16
YES! EmmaLee E Jan 2023 #22
the man nails it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #21
This isn't new... Caliman73 Jan 2023 #26
American workers EARNED their social security. The rich are just ENTITLED to their tax cuts. Beartracks Jan 2023 #28
Well put.. Deuxcents Jan 2023 #32
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Jan 2023 #29
how much is the GWB tax cuts + his iWaq war? pansypoo53219 Jan 2023 #33
I wish the Democrats would run ads like this. The media are not on our side. yardwork Jan 2023 #36
Jeff's use of the term "obscenely wealthy" is wrong. StClone Jan 2023 #37

HUAJIAO

(2,407 posts)
17. Unfortunately Dems too often don't do communication well.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jan 2023

They re just not generally good at PR. Been saying this for years. Any decent advertising company could do better. We have all the good ideas but.....

rurallib

(62,477 posts)
20. I think it is more due to the fact that Republicans own almost all the media
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:37 PM
Jan 2023

so when Dems what little media coverage they do get, it is not friendly.

rurallib

(62,477 posts)
27. We need to have some folks with money invest the way the
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:34 PM
Jan 2023

right wingers did. But the motivation for Dems is not there.

Thom Hartmann did a great sub stack newsletter on this today:

https://hartmannreport.com/p/a-media-ceiling-is-about-to-fall?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

So I don't know. I tried to buy some radio stations many years ago and could get no backing from liberals or labor unions. For some reason our side sees no value in owning the printing press.

orleans

(34,091 posts)
35. i heard him talking about buying radio stations in part of his show
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:58 AM
Jan 2023

today (wednesday). he brings up the subject every once in awhile
today i heard something about how we need to acquire some spanish stations--how even a few could make a difference.

i really don't understand why dems with money don't see how talk radio could make a difference.

markodochartaigh

(1,166 posts)
30. "...when Dems what little media coverage they do get, it is not friendly."
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:05 PM
Jan 2023

President Biden could receive The Galactic Medal of Peace from the President of the Galactic Federation on the Whitehouse lawn and most US media would lead with "Democrats new friends ruin Whitehouse lawn."

calimary

(81,562 posts)
24. I've been complaining about that for a long time.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:51 PM
Jan 2023

I don’t know if they appreciate the full power and importance of MESSAGING. Even now. I hope I’m wrong. I hope they realize how important effective messaging is.

soldierant

(6,945 posts)
31. Oh, I think they understand how important messaging is.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:58 PM
Jan 2023

What they don't understand is how to get effective messaging through to the people who need to see and hear it, who are insulated from it by right wing media propaganda and main stream media bothsiderism. Frankly, I don't have a clue how to do that either. Do you? Even if we had the money to buy a huge network and message effectively on it, and even if we had a way to get people who need the message to tune in to it, it appears to me we would be utterly drowned out.

calimary

(81,562 posts)
34. I wonder what would happen if some wealthy Dems or Dem group were to purchase
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:21 AM
Jan 2023

a BIG ad buy on Pox Noise. Unavoidably big. Splattering all over every daypart. Unescapable. Unignorable. And so big and splashy that they can't help but watch. Maybe have Spielberg or some very prominent film director mastermind it. And sneak the message in, in ways that Republicans find acceptable. Until the ad finishes and they suddenly "wake up" and realize they've been nodding along appreciatively to OUR messaging instead of the GOP's. Start with a pithy Abraham Lincoln quote and attribution that reminds - um, hey kids, HE was a Republican. But he talked, messaged, led, and cared like a DEMOCRAT.

I long to trouble and disquiet and destabilize the enemy. Render them all mixed up about what they stand for and who to vote for. ROCK their world and shake up their comfort zone. . Encourage and provoke them into thinking "Oh shit - I can't believe I wanna vote for a Democrat..."

soldierant

(6,945 posts)
38. That would be lovely.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 01:09 AM
Jan 2023

But Fox has a history of turning down ad buys which do not fit their narrative. Maybe if someone they would trust would sell it to them, sight unseen - but how do you do that?

And there's also the humanly natural tendency to reject any information which conflicts with what one already believes, and which is at its strongest in the poorly educated and uneducated. You and I are likely capable of saying "Gee, maybe I've been wrong." MAGAts not so much. I'm not 100% certain that, if we could manage that kind of an ad buy (and if the powers at Fox allowed it to continue to run after seeing the first segment) that there wouldn't be riots in the streets.

kimbutgar

(21,240 posts)
5. Giant billboards should be put up in repukes areas saying these words exactly
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:13 PM
Jan 2023

But leave out the bad words !

Irish_Dem

(47,697 posts)
8. The Oligarchs and GOP believe that all US assets belong to them.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:31 PM
Jan 2023

Like in Russia where Putin stole most of Russia's wealth.

That is what is being done here in the US.

Mr. Ected

(9,675 posts)
11. This was the long play they had in mind the entire time
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:06 PM
Jan 2023

Damn, even though we kicked their asses in the midterms we didn't bloody them and leave them for dead and this is our reward.

KS Toronado

(17,419 posts)
12. Thanks for printing the tweet !
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:40 PM
Jan 2023

Posters used to be able to post tweets so we could read them, now it's always a "Link to tweet"

Did twitter redo their site to stop people from sharing information found there? Thanks to the new owner?

IronLionZion

(45,615 posts)
14. Their elderly voters don't like social security and medicare?
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:53 PM
Jan 2023

I would think plenty of them are relying on it more than tax cuts.

Skittles

(153,261 posts)
19. they hate brown people more, it would seem
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:58 PM
Jan 2023

racism is truly the driving force behind most repuke voters

3825-87867

(856 posts)
16. About time for "Campaign Style" ads
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:19 PM
Jan 2023

The damn DCCC and DSCC can spend hundreds of millions (our contributions included!) slamming Republican opponents every 2 years in hopes of converting Soap Opera Housewives and Monday Morning Quarterbacks and especially the self-choosing, uninformable undecideds. Then in between elections we get - crickets! (except for requests for more of our money!)

About time they started National TV Ads everytime the Right proposes some bill or law that's going to hurt Americans. Tell the people in ads how the latest Right Wing BS will affect them and keep hammering it home. Hit the states where it's going to hurt people most. And don't pull any punches! Tell it the way it is and will be!

Put them on the cable BS Sites like CNN and Fox and even a lot of AM Radio. Maybe some will wake up!

You want more of our money? Start earning it. Maybe with Florida and Texas?

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
26. This isn't new...
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:05 PM
Jan 2023

Ronald Reagan massively cut the tax rates on top income brackets AND the corporate tax rate, THEN for the first time in the history of the program started taxing Social Security benefits as income. Conservatives have always shifted the burden of paying for society from the wealthiest people, most able to pay, to the rest of us. Then they scream about how we need austerity, to cut spending on frivolous things like infrastructure, healthcare, food and water safety, etc... They NEVER say, "You know, the military is a full 10 percent of the federal budget and over 50% of discretionary spending, maybe we ought to look at that"

Conservatives do not give on solitary shit about anyone but the wealthy, and their own ambitions to become the wealthy.

Beartracks

(12,827 posts)
28. American workers EARNED their social security. The rich are just ENTITLED to their tax cuts.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:10 PM
Jan 2023

In case there were any questions.

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