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applegrove

(118,677 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:36 PM Jan 2023

'Liberal' May Finally Be Shedding Its Political Stigma

‘Liberal’ May Finally Be Shedding Its Political Stigma

January 25, 2023 at 6:03 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 52 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/01/25/liberal-may-finally-be-shedding-its-political-stigma/

"SNIP.......

More than half of Democrats now identify as liberal, suggesting that the long-vilified “L-word” may be losing its potency as political kryptonite, The Hill reports.


.........SNIP"

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'Liberal' May Finally Be Shedding Its Political Stigma (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2023 OP
I had a right wing brother in law who lived in Arizona and he used to call me the looney kimbutgar Jan 2023 #1
good for you BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #5
GHWB was in my memory the original perp for its use as an epithet bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #2
I remember when he was debating Dukakis Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #15
Maybe for general audience, but was much longer in conservative circles JHB Jan 2023 #28
I wear it like a badge of Honor. Meadowoak Jan 2023 #3
her hear. AllaN01Bear Jan 2023 #10
Me too!! walkingman Jan 2023 #11
I am Scarlet Lib. scarletlib Jan 2023 #12
they switched to "woke" now d_r Jan 2023 #4
I got a "woke" sticker from Etsy. Need to buy some more. BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #6
Excellent d_r Jan 2023 #7
Yep, "woke" rehabilitated "liberal" nt gulliver Jan 2023 #23
We should have embraced it 43 years ago. Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #8
It's more tangible than "progressive" Renew Deal Jan 2023 #9
+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #17
Political Identity labels are meaningless Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #13
I never liked the word progressive because it implied... ananda Jan 2023 #14
Yeah, that was Stupid.. and Cha Jan 2023 #16
That Reminds Me... GGoss Jan 2023 #18
Especially now that "progressive" is redefined as anti-establishment, the establishment betsuni Jan 2023 #19
Unfortunately, the label "neoliberal" for conservative economic policies confuses people. tblue37 Jan 2023 #20
Yes. Calling Democrats neoliberals: attempt to win an argument with an epithet. betsuni Jan 2023 #24
Gingrich orangecrush Jan 2023 #21
That's what you do when you don't know how to BOSSHOG Jan 2023 #22
... orangecrush Jan 2023 #25
Hmmmm, Limbaugh dies, newdayneeded Jan 2023 #26
It never had political stigma. Patton French Jan 2023 #27

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
1. I had a right wing brother in law who lived in Arizona and he used to call me the looney
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:39 PM
Jan 2023

Liberal from San Francisco. Even though he was born in California and moved to Arizona in his 20’s. I told him I was proud to be a liberal and if we are talking about loons he should look in the mirror. He didn’t like my comment.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
15. I remember when he was debating Dukakis
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:56 PM
Jan 2023

and he pointed to him and said: "I'm tellin' ya, he's a liberal!" He said it with the tone you would use if you were calling him a rapist or a child molester.

I remember thinking sure he is. That's why I'm voting for him.

scarletlib

(3,411 posts)
12. I am Scarlet Lib.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:29 PM
Jan 2023

I chose that when I first got on internet
(Compuserve/AOL) god knows how many years ago.

When people ask I explain that I proudly wear the Scarlet letter of Liberal.

Sky Jewels

(7,107 posts)
8. We should have embraced it 43 years ago.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:11 PM
Jan 2023

Instead, we let Republican assholes use it as a smear. Too many Democratic politicians, including those at the very highest level, were afraid to be unabashedly progressive and fight back verbally. It really hurt us.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,619 posts)
13. Political Identity labels are meaningless
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:46 PM
Jan 2023

It’s people’s positions on issues that matter, and consistently, a majority of Americans, Democrats and Republicans, support policies generally considered to be liberal, regardless of what political label they identify with.

That should guide how Democrats campaign and govern.

Nevertheless, I did find the poll results interesting.

ananda

(28,864 posts)
14. I never liked the word progressive because it implied...
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:48 PM
Jan 2023

a moderate to Republican bias.

I've ALWAYS been a proud LIBERAL, yellow dawg Democrat.

betsuni

(25,536 posts)
19. Especially now that "progressive" is redefined as anti-establishment, the establishment
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:18 PM
Jan 2023

meaning the Democratic Party, as if Democrats aren't progressive. Liberal means Democrats, the progressive party.

betsuni

(25,536 posts)
24. Yes. Calling Democrats neoliberals: attempt to win an argument with an epithet.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:51 PM
Jan 2023

An important part of the redefinition of "progressive":

"The basic claim is that, from the New Deal through the Great Society, the Democratic Party espoused a set of values defined by, or at the very least consistent with, social democracy or socialism. Then, starting in the 1970s, a coterie of neoliberal elites hijacked the party and redirected its course toward a brand of social liberalism targeted to elites and hostile to the interests of the poor and working class."

Of course that never happened. "Union membership peaked in 1955, two decades before the party's supposed neoliberal turn, and has declined steadily ever since." But no, it's all Bill Clinton's fault.

"The uselessness of 'neoliberal' as an analytic tool is the very thing that makes it useful as a factional messaging device for the left. The 'neoliberalism' rubric implicates the Democratic Party in the rightward drift of American politics that has in reality been caused by the Republican Party's growing radicalism. It yokes the two parties together into a capitalist Establishment, against which socialism offers the only clear alternative. "

Rebranding FDR/LBJ as socialists, why "progressives" must take the Democratic Party back to its pretend socialist populist roots and do revolution or whatever. "It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/how-neoliberal-became-the-lefts-favorite-insult.html



BOSSHOG

(37,062 posts)
22. That's what you do when you don't know how to
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:41 PM
Jan 2023

Lead, govern or manage money. Republicans have so many poster boys and girls of ignorance, racism and hatred that few stand out. But not one statesmen amongst them.

I’m old and I’m so liberal I’ve gotten everyone of my Covid shots and boosters and have every of intention of voting in 2024 and beyond, unlike some who have been groomed to think getting the shot will kill you. They didn’t get the shot and now their dead.

To butcher up the title of an old Barbara Mandrell country song:

I WAS LIBERAL WHEN LIBERAL WASN’T COOL

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
26. Hmmmm, Limbaugh dies,
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:40 AM
Jan 2023

and "liberal" is no longer used as a derogatory label.....coincidence.....I think not!

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