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diva77

(7,643 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:38 PM Jan 2023

American Exceptionalism in One Heartbreaking, Grotesque Tweet

https://www.commondreams.org/news/mass-shooting-victims-medical-bills

A victim of the mass shooting in Half Moon Bay, California told Gov. Gavin Newsom that he wanted to leave the hospital as quickly as possible to avoid high medical costs.

An anecdote told by California Gov. Gavin Newsom at a press conference on the mass shooting in Half Moon Bay—the second such appearance he made in two days, following another deadly shooting in Monterey Park—encapsulated the United States' twin crises of economic injustice and rampant gun violence, said advocates on Monday.

The Democratic governor told the press that while visiting a man who'd been injured in the shooting at two farms in the Bay Area city, the victim said he was hoping to leave the hospital quickly to avoid high medical bills.

"He said, 'Hey, Governor, thanks for being here but when am I gonna get the hell out of here?'" Newsom said. "His leg was shattered by the gunfire. He goes, 'I can't afford to spend any more time here, I don't have the money."

The man's mother and son later arrived and told Newsom they were "worried he's going to lose his job at a warehouse the next day unless he can go back to work."
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American Exceptionalism in One Heartbreaking, Grotesque Tweet (Original Post) diva77 Jan 2023 OP
Sad. AbnerBunny Jan 2023 #1
The good news is, Republican lawmakers have plenty of thoughts and prayers for those folks, too! 70sEraVet Jan 2023 #2
But only the kind you can't take to the bank. calimary Jan 2023 #3
WOW. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #4
wow -- and probably no one thinks of that when you hear about the shootings. maybe the fucking orleans Jan 2023 #5
We're all living in a terrorist war zone Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #6
Wow - those stats are astonishing. n/t iluvtennis Jan 2023 #8
I never heard of the Gun Violence Archive before - thanks for making me aware. Here's the link diva77 Jan 2023 #10
I didn't know about it, either, until seeing that image. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #14
No wonder the domestic-terrorists party want guns everywhere, even in kid's hands... Justice matters. Jan 2023 #20
When I was hospitalized 8 years ago... Orrex Jan 2023 #7
A friend recently went to the local hospital not fooled Jan 2023 #16
Wouldn't Happen To Be A Chain... GB_RN Jan 2023 #23
Naw, a one-off not fooled Jan 2023 #25
Spanner... GB_RN Jan 2023 #26
This is going to be good not fooled Jan 2023 #27
I had a health event this year with a trip to the ER & then to a hospital ICU for three days. CrispyQ Jan 2023 #18
The GOP answer is more guns, less healthcare IronLionZion Jan 2023 #9
USA! USA! Skittles Jan 2023 #11
+1,000,000. Another shocking excerpt from same article as OP: diva77 Jan 2023 #12
"Initial Hospital Charge" DENVERPOPS Jan 2023 #19
Yet another reason why we need M4A. Lancero Jan 2023 #13
Also why gun manufacturers should have to pay for ALL expenses from shootings Wild blueberry Jan 2023 #15
THIS! momta Jan 2023 #17
We taxed cigarettes, but not enough. Tax guns to pay for the consequences of guns. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #21
What other manufactures should pay for misuse of their product? EX500rider Jan 2023 #22
How about a new tax on the gun industry to pay for medical care of innocent victims of shootings? nt pnwmom Jan 2023 #24
The US desperately needs area51 Jan 2023 #28
omg ... but he is right to worry BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #29
This is also why many people fight with EMS after they get in a car accident. nt RandiFan1290 Jan 2023 #30
Which is why gun owners should have to have liability insurance. raccoon Jan 2023 #31
Firearm liability insurance only covers accidents EX500rider Jan 2023 #32

AbnerBunny

(1,451 posts)
1. Sad.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:51 PM
Jan 2023

Disgusting. Terrifying. Reprehensible. Discouraging.

I could go on but it wouldn’t change a thing.

ShazzieB

(16,400 posts)
4. WOW.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:47 PM
Jan 2023
"How many people are shot and then face massive medical debt?" asked physician and anthropologist Eric Reinhart. "How much revenue and profit do hospitals generate via shootings? Perversity through and through."


Perversity through and through is right.

orleans

(34,052 posts)
5. wow -- and probably no one thinks of that when you hear about the shootings. maybe the fucking
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:55 PM
Jan 2023

nra should pay their medical bills.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
7. When I was hospitalized 8 years ago...
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:05 PM
Jan 2023

Every person I talked to refused to give me any idea of what the bill would be, while in the same breath telling me that it was important for me to stay until formally released.

They were, in the end, correct that it was best for me to stay a few days, but only because I had pretty good insurance. In other circumstances, it could easily have bankrupted me--and I was only there for three days with no invasive procedures.

Once I started asking about the bill, however, their generally pleasant personalities turned cold and bitter--every one of them, from the attending to the various shift nurses. As if they were appalled that a patient might actually have to factor cost into their course of treatment.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
16. A friend recently went to the local hospital
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 02:13 PM
Jan 2023

for a colonoscopy. Because of a minor irregularity with his heartbeat, he ended up staying >12 hours while being shuttled around.

Here's the kicker: towards the end of his ordeal, he was told that the last waiting period would be short. He would have been discharged well before midnight. But, lo and behold, his stay extended just past midnight before someone finally saw him. He suspects the reason he had to wait so long for the final exam was that the hospital bills by the day and by dragging things out they were able to bill for an additional day.

This hospital has had a virtual monopoly on the local, geographically isolated market and the CEO brags about how he has been able to run it on a for-profit basis despite the charter/land lease explicitly stating that it's to be non-profit only. And, has the highest rates in the entire state (AZ). My friend's extended visit was not an accident.

GB_RN

(2,355 posts)
23. Wouldn't Happen To Be A Chain...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:52 PM
Jan 2023

Of around 30 hospitals in the West/SW and Alaska, would it? I ask because that incident sounds suspiciously like how this particular chain of “not-for-profit” hospitals operates, in my personal experience.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
25. Naw, a one-off
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:49 PM
Jan 2023

yuma, armpit of the SW. The one hospital is known for buying up local medical practices to exert and maintain monopoly control over medical care and pricing in the area. Wouldn't surprise me if it's all heavily LDS--they are rife around here, heavily represented in the medical industry, and infamous for maximizing profit.

Recently, a chain--I think the one that rhymes with "spanner" (is that the one you're referring to?) opened a pilot urgent-care type place, on the other side of town. If it succeeds I've heard they plan to open a "competing" hospital. This area is growing rapidly (as the goobers in local government plunder the aquifer so they and their families, cronies, etc. make money off development).

I've deliberately delayed getting some medical care because I don't want to give my business to that hospital. Owing to the stupidity of this area, I'm moving this spring. No way do I want to grow old here.

GB_RN

(2,355 posts)
26. Spanner...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:14 PM
Jan 2023

Yeah, that would be the one I was thinking of. They bill their hospitals as “not-for-profit” but that’s all *wink*wink*nod*nod* for those who really know better.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
27. This is going to be good
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 12:11 AM
Jan 2023

watching yuma "we are the only hospital in town, so pay you fools" regional fight it out with "spanner". Battle of the profit-seekers!



Can't wait to get out of here! Unless something happens to me before I escape, not one of these ghouls is getting a dime from me!



CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
18. I had a health event this year with a trip to the ER & then to a hospital ICU for three days.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 02:39 PM
Jan 2023

Fortunately, I just went on Medicare this year cuz even with my ACA plan I would have been on the hook for thousands of dollars more than I've had to pay. But the itemized bills, before the negotiated rates, are incredulous. Almost $100,000 per day!

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
9. The GOP answer is more guns, less healthcare
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:25 PM
Jan 2023

they will cut funding for ACA and other healthcare programs to fight socialism. Meanwhile, they'll encourage nuts to buy more guns claiming Dems will ban them.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
12. +1,000,000. Another shocking excerpt from same article as OP:
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:22 AM
Jan 2023
The Journal of the American Medical Association published a study last May showing that the average initial hospital charge for mass shooting survivors between 2012 and 2019 was nearly $65,000 per person.

DENVERPOPS

(8,826 posts)
19. "Initial Hospital Charge"
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:33 PM
Jan 2023

are the key words here........After the "initial" first day?, it should list the total charges.........

Wild blueberry

(6,632 posts)
15. Also why gun manufacturers should have to pay for ALL expenses from shootings
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:58 AM
Jan 2023

Screw the liability deal they currently enjoy. ALL expenses.

momta

(4,079 posts)
17. THIS!
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 02:30 PM
Jan 2023

Repeal that goddamn law about not being able to sue gunmakers. They need to pay for the damage they cause. And make no mistake--they LOVE this kind of violence. More fear means more gun sales. More gun sales means more mass shootings...means more fear. They are ONLY in it for the money.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
22. What other manufactures should pay for misuse of their product?
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:00 PM
Jan 2023

If someone intentionally runs someone over with their GM car, GM should pay?

If someone is shot and killed with a bow & arrow, the bow maker?

Hunting knife or bat? (both btw kill more people then assault rifles do, although a pistol was used in this case I believe.)

People do hunt and target shoot and have firearms for self defense so there are legitimate uses IMO.

Also the manufactures doesn't direct sell usually, they sell to a licensed firearms dealer who then does a background check and sells it to someone who may down the road sell it to someone else putting the manufacturer several steps removed from end user.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
24. How about a new tax on the gun industry to pay for medical care of innocent victims of shootings? nt
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:51 PM
Jan 2023

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
31. Which is why gun owners should have to have liability insurance.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 08:25 AM
Jan 2023

Yeah, I know plenty of them wouldn’t carry it just like plenty of people don’t have car insurance, and that is a requirement

IMO, it still should be required.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
32. Firearm liability insurance only covers accidents
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 12:46 PM
Jan 2023

No insurance company's going to ensure for the illegal use of a product.

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