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https://www.commondreams.org/news/mass-shooting-victims-medical-billsAn anecdote told by California Gov. Gavin Newsom at a press conference on the mass shooting in Half Moon Baythe second such appearance he made in two days, following another deadly shooting in Monterey Parkencapsulated the United States' twin crises of economic injustice and rampant gun violence, said advocates on Monday.
The Democratic governor told the press that while visiting a man who'd been injured in the shooting at two farms in the Bay Area city, the victim said he was hoping to leave the hospital quickly to avoid high medical bills.
"He said, 'Hey, Governor, thanks for being here but when am I gonna get the hell out of here?'" Newsom said. "His leg was shattered by the gunfire. He goes, 'I can't afford to spend any more time here, I don't have the money."
The man's mother and son later arrived and told Newsom they were "worried he's going to lose his job at a warehouse the next day unless he can go back to work."
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AbnerBunny
(1,451 posts)Disgusting. Terrifying. Reprehensible. Discouraging.
I could go on but it wouldnt change a thing.
70sEraVet
(3,503 posts)calimary
(81,281 posts)Perversity through and through is right.
orleans
(34,052 posts)nra should pay their medical bills.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,347 posts)iluvtennis
(19,861 posts)diva77
(7,643 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,347 posts)Justice matters.
(6,929 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)Every person I talked to refused to give me any idea of what the bill would be, while in the same breath telling me that it was important for me to stay until formally released.
They were, in the end, correct that it was best for me to stay a few days, but only because I had pretty good insurance. In other circumstances, it could easily have bankrupted me--and I was only there for three days with no invasive procedures.
Once I started asking about the bill, however, their generally pleasant personalities turned cold and bitter--every one of them, from the attending to the various shift nurses. As if they were appalled that a patient might actually have to factor cost into their course of treatment.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)for a colonoscopy. Because of a minor irregularity with his heartbeat, he ended up staying >12 hours while being shuttled around.
Here's the kicker: towards the end of his ordeal, he was told that the last waiting period would be short. He would have been discharged well before midnight. But, lo and behold, his stay extended just past midnight before someone finally saw him. He suspects the reason he had to wait so long for the final exam was that the hospital bills by the day and by dragging things out they were able to bill for an additional day.
This hospital has had a virtual monopoly on the local, geographically isolated market and the CEO brags about how he has been able to run it on a for-profit basis despite the charter/land lease explicitly stating that it's to be non-profit only. And, has the highest rates in the entire state (AZ). My friend's extended visit was not an accident.
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)Of around 30 hospitals in the West/SW and Alaska, would it? I ask because that incident sounds suspiciously like how this particular chain of not-for-profit hospitals operates, in my personal experience.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)yuma, armpit of the SW. The one hospital is known for buying up local medical practices to exert and maintain monopoly control over medical care and pricing in the area. Wouldn't surprise me if it's all heavily LDS--they are rife around here, heavily represented in the medical industry, and infamous for maximizing profit.
Recently, a chain--I think the one that rhymes with "spanner" (is that the one you're referring to?) opened a pilot urgent-care type place, on the other side of town. If it succeeds I've heard they plan to open a "competing" hospital. This area is growing rapidly (as the goobers in local government plunder the aquifer so they and their families, cronies, etc. make money off development).
I've deliberately delayed getting some medical care because I don't want to give my business to that hospital. Owing to the stupidity of this area, I'm moving this spring. No way do I want to grow old here.
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)Yeah, that would be the one I was thinking of. They bill their hospitals as not-for-profit but thats all *wink*wink*nod*nod* for those who really know better.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)watching yuma "we are the only hospital in town, so pay you fools" regional fight it out with "spanner". Battle of the profit-seekers!
Can't wait to get out of here! Unless something happens to me before I escape, not one of these ghouls is getting a dime from me!
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)Fortunately, I just went on Medicare this year cuz even with my ACA plan I would have been on the hook for thousands of dollars more than I've had to pay. But the itemized bills, before the negotiated rates, are incredulous. Almost $100,000 per day!
IronLionZion
(45,447 posts)they will cut funding for ACA and other healthcare programs to fight socialism. Meanwhile, they'll encourage nuts to buy more guns claiming Dems will ban them.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)SAD!
diva77
(7,643 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,826 posts)are the key words here........After the "initial" first day?, it should list the total charges.........
Lancero
(3,003 posts)Wild blueberry
(6,632 posts)Screw the liability deal they currently enjoy. ALL expenses.
momta
(4,079 posts)Repeal that goddamn law about not being able to sue gunmakers. They need to pay for the damage they cause. And make no mistake--they LOVE this kind of violence. More fear means more gun sales. More gun sales means more mass shootings...means more fear. They are ONLY in it for the money.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,347 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)If someone intentionally runs someone over with their GM car, GM should pay?
If someone is shot and killed with a bow & arrow, the bow maker?
Hunting knife or bat? (both btw kill more people then assault rifles do, although a pistol was used in this case I believe.)
People do hunt and target shoot and have firearms for self defense so there are legitimate uses IMO.
Also the manufactures doesn't direct sell usually, they sell to a licensed firearms dealer who then does a background check and sells it to someone who may down the road sell it to someone else putting the manufacturer several steps removed from end user.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)area51
(11,909 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(7,930 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,235 posts)raccoon
(31,111 posts)Yeah, I know plenty of them wouldnt carry it just like plenty of people dont have car insurance, and that is a requirement
IMO, it still should be required.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)No insurance company's going to ensure for the illegal use of a product.