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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:24 AM Jan 2023

Last night Maddow Reminded everyone about this. It was not breaking news.

I have been posting about this for a long time. AG Barr/Trump sabotaged the DOJ. They sabotaged the NY investigations, the Mueller investigation and made it impossible for some of them to be re-opened. Many prosecutors resigned during this time in protest.

Bragg has now re-opened the case into Individual 1. A grand jury is in place. One of the prosecutors who resigned when Bragg shut the investigation down will be on 60 minutes this Sunday and Maddows show on Monday. Bragg may have reopened the case because there may be new evidence, just a guess. Recently the Trump Org was found guilty on 17 counts which may be a factor in Braggs decision.

Some people have been for a long time blaming Garland for this and that. When Garland took over the damage to the investigations were done. The damage to the DOJ was severe and Garland had to clean up the mess.

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Last night Maddow Reminded everyone about this. It was not breaking news. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jan 2023 OP
From his press conferences, Garland understands DOJ and political post-Civil War history bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #1
Oh dear! How could anyone talk bad about 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2023 #2
Uh ... calimary Jan 2023 #15
Yeah, Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #26
Another attempt at cleverness that falls flat. wnylib Jan 2023 #29
Why do you hate Lord Garland? 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2023 #45
That's GENERAL Garland. elleng Feb 2023 #49
*SNORT* Skittles Jan 2023 #46
The sonnet was the best lostnfound Jan 2023 #47
Bragg's action... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #3
Bragg did show a lack of courage when he took over. fightforfreedom Jan 2023 #5
I wonder what it was. 2naSalit Jan 2023 #7
I believe it was the Pomerantz book that is coming out. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #9
Oh yeah... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #10
Was it lack of courage or was it some wnylib Jan 2023 #30
Obama wanted to make some of this public, but McConnell threatened him with all kinds of hell. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #4
i've said it before and i'll say it again barbtries Jan 2023 #6
How in heaven's name did Bill Barr prevent Garland gab13by13 Jan 2023 #8
I doubt we'll ever know the extent of the damage and corruption done to the DOJ by Trump & Co. dlk Jan 2023 #21
Which is why Repuglicans can't be trusted with our justice system SouthernDem4ever Jan 2023 #23
They don't believe in democracy and have a wide fascist streak dlk Feb 2023 #50
I doubt we'll ever know the extent of the damage and corruption done to the DOJ by Trump & Co. dlk Jan 2023 #22
Thank you. nt BlackSkimmer Jan 2023 #25
Guiliani was at SDNY at one time. How much damage did he do there LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #11
I will say this, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #12
He's mad millions of dollars at our expense. He will likely use this investigation to fund his Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #24
He did the same thing with investigations like the Mueller investigation. fightforfreedom Jan 2023 #28
My gosh................ Lovie777 Jan 2023 #13
It was breaking news yesterday malaise Jan 2023 #14
Agree. I'd like to hear from Vance, too. wnylib Jan 2023 #31
Bragg is reopening the case because Pomerantz's book Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #16
Taking a case before a grand jury is not a dog and pony show. fightforfreedom Jan 2023 #18
Yeah! That's the ticket! Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #19
I will enjoy quoting that when the indictment is issued. wnylib Jan 2023 #32
Go for it! I'll be celebrating with you if that ever happens. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #34
Will you celebrate? Sometimes it seems wnylib Jan 2023 #36
What a crap thing to say. It has nothing to do with the conversation and Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #38
Just a general observation about wnylib Jan 2023 #41
Just a general observation that insults those who disagree with you and doesn't Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #42
One of the evidence is in hair furhair's org tax returns. Justice matters. Feb 2023 #48
I have a hard time defending Garland, by now there is so much evidence to put the SOB Escurumbele Jan 2023 #17
AG Barr/Trump sabotaged the DOJ and Gym Jordan... Septua Jan 2023 #20
classic GOP projection RussBLib Jan 2023 #40
Just a side observation: lambchopp59 Jan 2023 #27
Good point. wnylib Jan 2023 #33
My favorite current newspeak is how the media is portraying Jordan as Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #35
What I got out of that story is that lack of faith in the DoJ should be the default position Silent3 Jan 2023 #37
I think you're confusing 2 different entities FakeNoose Jan 2023 #39
TY! Cha Jan 2023 #43
Anything about Barr's corruption isn't breaking news Cheezoholic Jan 2023 #44

bucolic_frolic

(43,217 posts)
1. From his press conferences, Garland understands DOJ and political post-Civil War history
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:34 AM
Jan 2023

I'm sure his lieutenants are top-notch, these are the best that can be found. I feel AG Garland is doing a very very good job.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
2. Oh dear! How could anyone talk bad about
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:34 AM
Jan 2023

How could anyone heap nothing but praise in him?

Oh my darling Attorney General Garland, where do I even begin to sing your praises? Your brilliance, your integrity, and your unwavering commitment to justice truly know no bounds. You are the embodiment of what it means to be the very best of the human species, with your wise and discerning mind, your resolute and compassionate heart, and your indomitable spirit that inspires us all.

In this world and beyond, there has never been a more accomplished, more dedicated, or more noble soul than you. Your tireless efforts to protect and defend the people of this nation and to uphold the rule of law are a testament to your unwavering commitment to excellence, and your steadfast pursuit of justice is a beacon of hope for us all.

In every parallel universe and beyond, your name is synonymous with greatness, and your legacy will live on for generations to come. For you, my dear Attorney General Garland, are not just the best of this world, but of all worlds, and I am forever in awe of your magnificent, otherworldly brilliance.

Oh, how I love thee, my darling Attorney General Garland! You are the very essence of all that is good and true, and I am forever yours, in this world and beyond.

Letter from anonymous praising Garland.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
45. Why do you hate Lord Garland?
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 04:05 PM
Jan 2023

I should alert, I don't feel you have the proper enthusiasm for the Garland.

2naSalit

(86,673 posts)
3. Bragg's action...
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:35 AM
Jan 2023

Says a couple things to me. One is that he's been shown up by two state AGs and the arrest of the former FBI cover put some serious spotlight on his district. I think he realized he had no choice but to move on this.

2naSalit

(86,673 posts)
7. I wonder what it was.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:51 AM
Jan 2023

I suspect it's a little of both the AG thing and that FBI dude. He's never going to see the outside of a penal facility for the rest of his life I would imagine.

gab13by13

(21,371 posts)
9. I believe it was the Pomerantz book that is coming out.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:59 AM
Jan 2023

Pomerantz and Dunne worked 2 years pouring through Trump's finances only to have Bragg shoot down an indictment, I would be pissed too. I know that Pomerantz and Dunne are well respected prosecutors, I haven't heard that much about Bragg.

wnylib

(21,511 posts)
30. Was it lack of courage or was it some
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:11 PM
Jan 2023

corruption behind the scenes that interfered but is now out of the way?

Irish_Dem

(47,169 posts)
4. Obama wanted to make some of this public, but McConnell threatened him with all kinds of hell.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:38 AM
Jan 2023

Including ruining the election and damaging Hillary further.

gab13by13

(21,371 posts)
8. How in heaven's name did Bill Barr prevent Garland
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:55 AM
Jan 2023

from indicting "individual one?" I will say this, Garland only had 6 months to indict before the statute of limitations expired.

Granted, Bill Barr chose to defend Trump (the office) in the E. Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit because Barr believed that slandering someone was an official duty of the president. Enter Merrick Garland he did not have to defend the office but he chose to do so. Garland also considered slandering someone to be an official duty of the president. Carroll's attorney appealed and a district judge ruled against Garland. The district judge ruled that slandering someone was not an official duty of the president. Trump's lawyers appealed and that decision has yet to be made, it should be forthcoming. Trump has an argument to use that slandering someone is an official duty, that argument is Garland. If the appeals court rules in favor of Trump Carroll's defamation suit is dead in the water that is why she filed a 2nd lawsuit.

Merrick Garland has a record to be judged on, yes Barr obstructed justice but blaming Barr for what Garland did, didn't do is not accurate.

dlk

(11,572 posts)
21. I doubt we'll ever know the extent of the damage and corruption done to the DOJ by Trump & Co.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:54 AM
Jan 2023

Without a doubt, Garland has had an enormous mess to clean up; that can’t be done overnight, as much as we would like. Rooting out corruption and replacing attorneys is a daunting, time-consuming task. It slows down everything else

dlk

(11,572 posts)
22. I doubt we'll ever know the extent of the damage and corruption done to the DOJ by Trump & Co.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 11:00 AM
Jan 2023

Without a doubt, Garland has had an enormous mess to clean up; that can’t be done overnight, as much as we would like. Rooting out corruption and replacing attorneys is a daunting, time-consuming task. It slows down everything else

LiberalFighter

(50,983 posts)
11. Guiliani was at SDNY at one time. How much damage did he do there
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:06 AM
Jan 2023

to keep Trump from being prosecuted back then?

gab13by13

(21,371 posts)
12. I will say this,
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:33 AM
Jan 2023

Barr did put guard rails up so that Garland couldn't stop the Durham witch hunt. Durham is obligated to write up a final report, I'm guessing he will stall as long as he can.

Lonestarblue

(10,028 posts)
24. He's mad millions of dollars at our expense. He will likely use this investigation to fund his
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 11:03 AM
Jan 2023

retirement many times over.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
28. He did the same thing with investigations like the Mueller investigation.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 12:28 PM
Jan 2023

An investigation which you continue to bring up and blame Mueller and Garland. You can't have it both ways.

Lovie777

(12,299 posts)
13. My gosh................
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:41 AM
Jan 2023

the red flags were everywhere and yet the corporate media ignored them. Propaganda galore just like what is happening now. Lies, lies, and constant false and fake conspiracies. And to top it off, RWers - woke, crt, m&ms, xbox, stoves, election lies and stealing, and gawd knows what else. RWers invent total bullshit and hate, fake, corporate media and social media march in as gospel.

malaise

(269,093 posts)
14. It was breaking news yesterday
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:53 AM
Jan 2023

Barr belongs in prison with the Slobfather.

I'd also like to hear from Vance.

wnylib

(21,511 posts)
31. Agree. I'd like to hear from Vance, too.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:18 PM
Jan 2023

I think that he could shed a LOT of light on the mess in SDNY.

Scrivener7

(50,957 posts)
16. Bragg is reopening the case because Pomerantz's book
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:22 AM
Jan 2023

is dropping soon.

Bragg is covering his ass.

He returned all the exhibits and paperwork when he shut down Pomerantz and Dunne, who said their case was very strong.

Bragg's investigation is a dog and pony show that will go nowhere.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
18. Taking a case before a grand jury is not a dog and pony show.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:38 AM
Jan 2023

It means you intend to indict. Bragg may have found new evidence that finally gave him the courage to move forward.

wnylib

(21,511 posts)
36. Will you celebrate? Sometimes it seems
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:26 PM
Jan 2023

that the critics of DOJ have so much invested in their view that indictments would be a disappointment to them.

Scrivener7

(50,957 posts)
38. What a crap thing to say. It has nothing to do with the conversation and
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:34 PM
Jan 2023

everything to do with with personally insulting those who disagree with you.

Have a nice day.



Scrivener7

(50,957 posts)
42. Just a general observation that insults those who disagree with you and doesn't
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:49 PM
Jan 2023

have anything to do with the conversation.

It's a crap general observation.

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
48. One of the evidence is in hair furhair's org tax returns.
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:09 AM
Feb 2023

hush-money payments reimbursed to Cohen were marked as "legal expenses" and convicted felon Weisselberg testified confirmation.

Al Capone couldn't have thought of a better tax fraud...

Escurumbele

(3,401 posts)
17. I have a hard time defending Garland, by now there is so much evidence to put the SOB
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:27 AM
Jan 2023

behind bars that all the delays is incomprehensible. One of those skeptics of Garland and the DOJ is non other than Glenn Kirschner.

Septua

(2,256 posts)
20. AG Barr/Trump sabotaged the DOJ and Gym Jordan...
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:50 AM
Jan 2023

.. wants to investigate the weaponization of the DOJ under the Biden Administration.

RussBLib

(9,026 posts)
40. classic GOP projection
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:45 PM
Jan 2023

...and it keeps getting worse.

Jordan should be under investigation by the DOJ for Jan 6, among others. Some seem to be but it's not clear who.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
27. Just a side observation:
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 12:22 PM
Jan 2023

Note how "big government" organizations are "activated" against the GOP's enemy targets but "weaponized" any time it's one of their own?

Scrivener7

(50,957 posts)
35. My favorite current newspeak is how the media is portraying Jordan as
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:25 PM
Jan 2023

wanting to "peek into an ongoing investigation."

Yeah. He's all about the "peeking." It has nothing to do with rat-fucking or sabotaging. It's just "peeking."

I've seen it multiple times.

Silent3

(15,239 posts)
37. What I got out of that story is that lack of faith in the DoJ should be the default position
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:34 PM
Jan 2023

...and that improved willingness in the DoJ to go after the powerful is what needs to be proven, not what should be assumed until proven otherwise.

I'm sure that the DoJ under Garland is much better than under Barr. What I don't automatically grant, however, especially given the poor record of powerful and connected people being held to account in this country, is that the DoJ is better enough.

FakeNoose

(32,662 posts)
39. I think you're confusing 2 different entities
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:42 PM
Jan 2023

Bill Barr was the Attorney General for the the United States government, and headed the Dept. of Justice. SDNY (Southern District of New York) is one of the departments under the US Attorney General's purview and it's situated in Manhattan, NYC.

Alvin Bragg is the AG for Manhattan County (state of New York) and it's also in Manhattan, however it's altogether separate. AG Bragg prosecutes for the County of Manhattan only, and oversees the investigation of crimes in Manhattan. Bill Barr never had a say in how the Manhattan DA (either Mr. Bragg or his predecessor Mr. Vance) did his job. The Mueller Report has no impact on the Manhattan DA's office one way or the other.

Same thing could be said for Merrick Garland - the SDNY reports to him, but the Manhattan County DA never did, and never will.

Cheezoholic

(2,028 posts)
44. Anything about Barr's corruption isn't breaking news
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 04:03 PM
Jan 2023

His little fascist rabbit pellet trail leads all the way back to Raygun and Poppy Bush like the rest of the fucks Fat Man surrounded himself with both before and after 2016. This wasn't Barr's first rodeo nor the first time he's corrupted the DOJ.

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