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Botany

(76,461 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:15 AM Jan 2023

1 more time George Santos aka Anthony "Tony" DeVolder is a CHAOS AGENT who was installed...

Last edited Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:14 AM - Edit history (1)

.... to cause problems just like Putin installed Trump to weaken America from the inside. "Tony"
is doing exactly what who or whomever backed him wanted him to do right now. I would bet
he has Russian backing and or right wingers like the Mercers. Every time he tells an over the
top lie he is just doing his job. I hope the DoJ picks him up before he tries to skip town and at
the very least ships him back to Brazil to face charges for his crimes there.

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1 more time George Santos aka Anthony "Tony" DeVolder is a CHAOS AGENT who was installed... (Original Post) Botany Jan 2023 OP
There are other Russian puppets in Congress who tried to overthrow the election and gov't. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #1
I feel like eversince W, the DOJ has been useless Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #39
Yep. How can Santis get busted for taking Russian money when so many others do the same? Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #51
Yes, their behavior puts the truth to it bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #2
"Installed" is letting voters off too easily. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #3
The Fourth Estate didn't do its job bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #5
LOCAL MEDIA DID. Your derision should be aimed at all those who won't support local media hlthe2b Jan 2023 #9
And where was his Democratic opponent? Opposition research has a role in any election, but none Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #29
I'm responding to the unfair attacks on local media. As for his opponent & local Dem Party not hlthe2b Jan 2023 #30
One must square the equation of wealth and education to understand America's politics. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #44
This post is a keeper. Thanks housecat Jan 2023 #46
Sure, but it's still the voters JOB to determine who is the best candidate. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #12
The problem is the voters don't get the Truth Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #45
I believe his opponent tried to bring up his sketchy background put the NY Times and other ... Botany Jan 2023 #8
See my post #9 above. LOCAL MEDIA DID and were IGNORED! hlthe2b Jan 2023 #10
Thanx! Botany Jan 2023 #14
NYT not WA-03 Democrat Jan 2023 #11
He's a GOP agent now. C_U_L8R Jan 2023 #4
Anthony Devolder is a threat to our national security. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #6
a shapeshifting psychopath.. agingdem Jan 2023 #13
"Agent of Chaos or Kaos Agent, Chief?" C0RI0LANUS Jan 2023 #7
And, according to Rachel, the DOJ is telling everyone else to Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #15
DOJ seems to not want to investigate anyone with an "R" next to their name. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2023 #17
There is a systemic allergy dalton99a Jan 2023 #32
Not because he is innocent RussBLib Jan 2023 #42
Maybe DOJ planted him Nittersing Jan 2023 #52
Deripaska's nephew is his main funder, probably his only funder. lark Jan 2023 #16
You mean Mr. Deripaska who had the top FBI agent McGonigal, who was in charge of investigating ... Botany Jan 2023 #19
Absolutely!!! lark Jan 2023 #22
2 things Manafort also sent data to Kilimnik (russian agent) too Botany Jan 2023 #24
I forgot about Kilmnik. lark Jan 2023 #26
So many moving pieces hard to keep up but just remember: Botany Jan 2023 #34
The oligarchs may change, but the head mad dog, Putin, is the same. lark Jan 2023 #36
Putin, the FSB, Cambridge Analytica, and Facebook tested out their rat fucking skills in getting ... Botany Jan 2023 #37
And they will be helping tfg in 2024 along with another murdering oligarch, MBS. lark Jan 2023 #38
And they worked for Trump in 2020 too Botany Jan 2023 #41
Someone slipped Santos some serious money. Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #18
Pick him up and LOCK him up! calimary Jan 2023 #20
He was a thieving nutbag before he got noticed in politics. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2023 #21
We need Maxwell Smart to defeat the Chaos agents! dclarston13 Jan 2023 #23
Guessing that's why Garland's DOJ has stopped all outside investigations into him SledDriver Jan 2023 #25
MSNBC, at 9:56 est announced Santos just offered to recuse himself from his two committees. n/t allegorical oracle Jan 2023 #27
"Temporarily," but "offered" to McCarthy and accepted. Hortensis Jan 2023 #56
Regardless of how George Santos slithered through the cracks and tricked voters into voting for him, LaMouffette Jan 2023 #28
I'm begining to think that McCarthy knows that DeVolder/Santos is a Russian backed chaos agent ... Botany Jan 2023 #31
And a white nationalist alfredo Jan 2023 #47
I think you're right. It certainly seems they're fine with Russia destroying American democracy, LaMouffette Jan 2023 #57
Perhaps. Or maybe Georgie Boy is just an ambitious little liar. Martin68 Jan 2023 #33
Santos or whoever he is will be long gone before they can finish the investigation dalton99a Jan 2023 #35
wonder if this is another aka. Also Kown As? AllaN01Bear Jan 2023 #40
This smells really bad. Why has the Mueller report not been un-redacted yet? Time for truth. n/t Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #43
The real installed agents moreland01 Jan 2023 #48
I like horses do you? Botany Jan 2023 #50
I want to live in the screenplay other people seem to be living in Sympthsical Jan 2023 #49
I think someone with major backing would have created a tighter life story muriel_volestrangler Jan 2023 #53
I disagree. That crazy ass mother fucker is exactly who they (I would guess Russians) wanted. Botany Jan 2023 #54
It's political gossip, but it's not "America". muriel_volestrangler Jan 2023 #55

Irish_Dem

(80,019 posts)
1. There are other Russian puppets in Congress who tried to overthrow the election and gov't.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:17 AM
Jan 2023

DOJ has done nothing to them.

Farmer-Rick

(12,494 posts)
39. I feel like eversince W, the DOJ has been useless
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:41 AM
Jan 2023

They worked hard at hiding all of W's and Cheney's war crimes. W and Cheney never got prosecuted. Eversince then, DOJ seems to be the Department Of Coverup and not the Department Of Justice.

I think they have been thoroughly corrupted by the criminals they work with.

Irish_Dem

(80,019 posts)
51. Yep. How can Santis get busted for taking Russian money when so many others do the same?
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 12:20 PM
Jan 2023

And much much worse.

Lying on his resume is far less serious than overthrowing the US gov't.

We know Putin has infiltrated the highest levels of the US govt.
No branch is immune.

The only reason the GOP will get rid of Santis is that he is a distraction.

bucolic_frolic

(54,139 posts)
2. Yes, their behavior puts the truth to it
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:19 AM
Jan 2023

Most people can't see it, I get arguments on here against him being a Trump-style redux, but it's there, in plain sight.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,541 posts)
3. "Installed" is letting voters off too easily.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:21 AM
Jan 2023
Just as the VOTERS are to blame for the dumbasses that have been elected into the Alabama legislature.

bucolic_frolic

(54,139 posts)
5. The Fourth Estate didn't do its job
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:28 AM
Jan 2023

Their lack of due diligence and silence and showing empty pockets now says they were bought off.

hlthe2b

(112,919 posts)
9. LOCAL MEDIA DID. Your derision should be aimed at all those who won't support local media
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:43 AM
Jan 2023

and who ignore it when it breaks important stories. Younger generations can't be bothered to read local newspapers, even online, much less support them $$. Nor will they watch local news programs on TV. This is only the start of what we will face once it (and all investigative reporting) goes away.


Small, local paper uncovered and reported George Santos scandal before November election
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/small-local-paper-uncovered-and-reported-george-santos-scandal-before-november-election


The Local Paper That First Sounded the Alarm on George Santos
Clare Malone speaks with the publisher and managing editor of the North Shore Leader, the local newspaper that first exposed George Santos’s lies. Why was he elected anyway?
https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/political-scene/the-local-paper-that-first-sounded-the-alarm-on-george-santos


‘He was weird’: Publisher of Long Island newspaper that exposed Santos knew something was up years before election win

The North Shore Leader was the first newspaper to expose falsehoods made by George Santos before the midterm elections
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-santos-grant-lally-long-island-b2267628.html

Lonestarblue

(13,250 posts)
29. And where was his Democratic opponent? Opposition research has a role in any election, but none
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:11 AM
Jan 2023

seems to have been done here. One would think that candidates and their staffs would read local news and follow up on information about an opponent, especially a Republican who already ran previously.

hlthe2b

(112,919 posts)
30. I'm responding to the unfair attacks on local media. As for his opponent & local Dem Party not
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:20 AM
Jan 2023

aggressively tackling it, I think that is a valid issue. It would appear Lee Zeldin focused all the attention on the Governor's race.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
44. One must square the equation of wealth and education to understand America's politics.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:53 AM
Jan 2023

As a percentage of the whole, Democrats have more educated and highly educated people than Republicans.
As a percentage of the whole, Republicans have fewer low-end-earner members than Democrats.

Republicans enjoy more financing to support their lo-info message. Democrats have less funding to spread their message which poorly educated people tend to ignore anyway. What could go wrong?

The media covers news. News is that the wealthy are growing ever stronger in their control of US federal, state and local government. It's the old, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make the average American understand complex issues even when perpetual ignorance repeatedly knocks them in the head" trick.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,541 posts)
12. Sure, but it's still the voters JOB to determine who is the best candidate.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:58 AM
Jan 2023

And sort through the lies. I will not let ignorant voters off the hook.

Farmer-Rick

(12,494 posts)
45. The problem is the voters don't get the Truth
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:59 AM
Jan 2023

They get propaganda mostly, or countering stories that muddy the truth. Yeah, local media was on the ball but it was drowned out by corporate media muddying the truth.

Blaming the voters is like blaming the christians and the religious for believing in an invisible god with no evidence. Americans are taught to believe the unbelievable.

Botany

(76,461 posts)
8. I believe his opponent tried to bring up his sketchy background put the NY Times and other ...
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:39 AM
Jan 2023

.... local media would not follow up on it.

hlthe2b

(112,919 posts)
10. See my post #9 above. LOCAL MEDIA DID and were IGNORED!
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:44 AM
Jan 2023

Honestly, put the blame where it belongs. That local newspaper editor tried his best to get the word out.

C_U_L8R

(48,940 posts)
4. He's a GOP agent now.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:27 AM
Jan 2023

A convenient shiny object to distract from their other daily crimes and misadministration.

gab13by13

(31,336 posts)
6. Anthony Devolder is a threat to our national security.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:29 AM
Jan 2023

His assets should be frozen until he is either cleared or indicted.

agingdem

(8,773 posts)
13. a shapeshifting psychopath..
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:04 AM
Jan 2023

devoid of conscience/shame/remorse...this toxic amoral empty suit is enjoying his notoriety, a daily parade of reporters (paparazzi) swarming him, tossing questions, breathlessly waiting for the Santos lying soundbite of the day.. George Anthony Kitara Devolder Daviche Lavinsky Santos is a clear and present danger but in the MAGA sea of traitors, predators, abusers, and thieves he hardly stands out...

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
7. "Agent of Chaos or Kaos Agent, Chief?"
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:38 AM
Jan 2023

FYI: Pres Lula is visiting Pres Biden 10 Feb at the White House. There should be two arrest warrants in his jacket pocket.

/

RussBLib

(10,437 posts)
42. Not because he is innocent
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:49 AM
Jan 2023

...because they are conducting their own investigation. You left that part out, on purpose?

I imagine it could get pretty messy if multiple jurisdictions are all investigating at the same time.



lark

(25,910 posts)
16. Deripaska's nephew is his main funder, probably his only funder.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:17 AM
Jan 2023

He's just another Putin project.

Botany

(76,461 posts)
19. You mean Mr. Deripaska who had the top FBI agent McGonigal, who was in charge of investigating ...
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:43 AM
Jan 2023

.... Russia's attacks on our democracy on Putin's payroll and was indicted by Mueller which I think
Trump quashed.

Thanks for your post! We now have linkage between DeVolder and Russia.

Botany

(76,461 posts)
24. 2 things Manafort also sent data to Kilimnik (russian agent) too
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:55 AM
Jan 2023

And it was not polling data but data analytics or what could be turned into data analytics aka
weaponized information that showed the FSB where to rat fuck our elections (with inside help
from the GOP/Facebook/Cambridge Analytica)

lark

(25,910 posts)
36. The oligarchs may change, but the head mad dog, Putin, is the same.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:31 AM
Jan 2023

Putin = would be destroyer of the worlds democratic processes and promotor of the slavery of billions of working class folks.

Botany

(76,461 posts)
37. Putin, the FSB, Cambridge Analytica, and Facebook tested out their rat fucking skills in getting ...
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:36 AM
Jan 2023

.... the U.K. out of Brexit. Some of the exact same people went on to help Trump and the GOP
in the 2016 elections.

lark

(25,910 posts)
38. And they will be helping tfg in 2024 along with another murdering oligarch, MBS.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:39 AM
Jan 2023

Both are awful for the entire world.

Botany

(76,461 posts)
41. And they worked for Trump in 2020 too
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:44 AM
Jan 2023

A New Report Adds Evidence That Trump Was a Russian Asset
He helped Putin manipulate the U.S. election in 2020, as he did in 2016.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html

********

BTW not from the Republican senate intel committee produced by republicans above but in 2020 our intelligence
people caught Russia working for Bernie and instead of going after the Russians Trump fired the intelligence
people.

Kid Berwyn

(23,160 posts)
18. Someone slipped Santos some serious money.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:29 AM
Jan 2023

And the liar forged a “campaign treasurer’s” signature — some famous and legit GOP campaign treasurer — on one FEC form.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/25/politics/santos-campaign-treasurer/index.html

Connected to some “high net worth individuals” all RIGHT.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
21. He was a thieving nutbag before he got noticed in politics.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:44 AM
Jan 2023

His notoriety has more to do with a "convergence of related factors" than a recruiting and grooming process that's normally initiated by Russian intelligence. Santos rather fell into the job of mini-Trump, but with chicken scratch in his money bag.

allegorical oracle

(6,222 posts)
27. MSNBC, at 9:56 est announced Santos just offered to recuse himself from his two committees. n/t
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:58 AM
Jan 2023

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. "Temporarily," but "offered" to McCarthy and accepted.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 04:40 PM
Jan 2023
The speaker said that if the now-vacant seats on the Small Business and Science Committees are filled, it will be on a temporary basis, and Santos would be able to reclaim the spots if and when he answers all questions and is "cleared."

"The voters have elected him and he'll have a voice here in Congress, and until he answers all those questions, then at that time, he'll be able to be seated on committees," McCarthy said.

The Republicans obviously NEED attention to mostly move on and stay moved on. Now me, I wonder what kind of deal they made for Santos not to follow the Marjorie Greene model -- almost daily sensational behaviors to grab the spotlight -- after she was stripped of committee assignments. He's already been showing signs of moving to the far-right institution destroyers.

LaMouffette

(2,583 posts)
28. Regardless of how George Santos slithered through the cracks and tricked voters into voting for him,
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:06 AM
Jan 2023

it is now the responsibility of Keven McCarthy and the rest of the House Republicans to remove him from office.

But they won't.

This is identical to Trump's ludicrous, corrupt, traitorous, treasonous, violent turn as "president." He never should have been elected, and once elected, the Republicans should have joined with Democrats in removing him from office.

But they didn't.

What in bloody hell can we do about having one political party that refuses to put country over party, power, and personal enrichment?




Botany

(76,461 posts)
31. I'm begining to think that McCarthy knows that DeVolder/Santos is a Russian backed chaos agent ...
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:22 AM
Jan 2023

... and is fine with it. After all McCarthy along with Paul Ryan, Steve Scalise, and McConnell all
knew about Trump/Russia in 2016. McCarthy is now trying to weasel out of getting rid of "Tony"
with some mush mouth statement about "the will of the voters" in his district.

LaMouffette

(2,583 posts)
57. I think you're right. It certainly seems they're fine with Russia destroying American democracy,
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 05:50 PM
Jan 2023

just as long as they're on the side of the "winners," which will turn out to be the authoritarian dictators and the world's oligarchs if we can't turn this runaway fascist train around.

McCarthy reminds me of a Bob Dylan lyric: "You just want to be on the side that's winning."

Martin68

(27,123 posts)
33. Perhaps. Or maybe Georgie Boy is just an ambitious little liar.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:27 AM
Jan 2023

When we know who is funding him and why we'll have a better idea what's going on.

dalton99a

(92,322 posts)
35. Santos or whoever he is will be long gone before they can finish the investigation
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:30 AM
Jan 2023

The POS probably has multiple passports and a large bank account full of stolen/dirty money






Evolve Dammit

(21,528 posts)
43. This smells really bad. Why has the Mueller report not been un-redacted yet? Time for truth. n/t
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 10:51 AM
Jan 2023

moreland01

(866 posts)
48. The real installed agents
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 11:13 AM
Jan 2023

are the ones you'd NEVER suspect. This guy is just too obvious. He may want to be a russian agent,
but they'd never have him.

Sympthsical

(10,871 posts)
49. I want to live in the screenplay other people seem to be living in
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 11:39 AM
Jan 2023

Where everything is a Bond plot.

George Santos is a pathological liar probably with some kind of mental illness like antisocial personality disorder. They exist all by themselves.

The person he most reminds me of as I watch him is Andrew Cunnanan, the spree killer who murdered five people including Gianni Versace. I read the book Vulgar Favors by Maureen Orth that the American Crime television series was based on, and he was something. Lied about everything. His relationships. His education. His jobs. His net worth. His background in both socioeconomic status and ethnicity. He was Filipino-Italian but would oftentimes tell people he was Jewish. He went by different names depending on the social circles he was moving in.

At the core of it was that he was just kind of too lazy to do anything with his life. He thought he was clever enough (and cute enough) that his lies would carry him. He figured he could ingratiate himself with the right people and manipulate his way into success. That no one would ever put two and two together. In reading about it, it's kind of amazing to see how no one did for so long.

And it worked in part. He got in with some of the right people, had his lifestyle funded, pulled off the appearance of being monied and socially mobile.

But then it didn't work. The lies didn't add up. People started talking with one another and comparing notes. The money ran out. People wanted less and less to do with him. His looks and charisma started fading. Mix in anti-personality disorder, rejection, and failure (with a decent bit of meth addiction) and he snapped.

There are people like this in the world. They can get to a surprisingly high level in society. It's completely coocoo bonkers that one made it into Congress in the age of the internet. But here we are.

(Also, Orth's book is a fantastic read if anyone's interested in the topic).

muriel_volestrangler

(105,624 posts)
53. I think someone with major backing would have created a tighter life story
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:31 PM
Jan 2023

or, if they were the driving force, they'd have found someone more reliable (and they wouldn't have picked someone gay, either - it made his election uncertain). Sure, he's receiving some money from Russians who are betting owning a congressman will help them - but as crooks, not as an overarching plot. And his life indicates he goes and looks for dubious money.

Santos has been making up shit for years, for profit and/or status, and running as a candidate was just his latest scam (since it involves people donating money, it's ripe for exploitation). He doesn't "weaken America" much; he's too junior in Congress. It's just crap for his constituents, who have a congressman they can't trust an inch.

Botany

(76,461 posts)
54. I disagree. That crazy ass mother fucker is exactly who they (I would guess Russians) wanted.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 03:18 PM
Jan 2023

He is by design an agent for chaos and that can include a little toad of man talking about
being a great volley ball player or meeting Chuck Schumer's mom and talking smack about
her son. And yes he weakens America by getting us talking about non issues that is in the
in the right wing's agenda. "Did you see what Santos said today?" This is gas lighting on
steroids.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,624 posts)
55. It's political gossip, but it's not "America".
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 04:01 PM
Jan 2023

Remember that we're political obsessives here. America talks far more about what a Kardashian does, but that doesn't make them a "chaos agent".

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