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highplainsdem

(60,220 posts)
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 09:14 AM Feb 2023

Pink Floyd Feud Spills Out Into Public As Roger Waters, David Gilmour Go At it

And this is over politics, not music. Echoing the disagreements over Ukraine last year. I'd wondered why the band's name and theirs were trending on Twitter...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roger-waters-david-gilmour-pink-floyd-feud_n_63e1cea6e4b07c0c7e0c22de

The already-sour relationship between ex-Pink Floyd bandmates Roger Waters and David Gilmour seemed to take an irreparable turn on Monday.

Gilmour’s wife, novelist and lyricist Polly Samson, fired off a tweet accusing Waters of being “antisemitic to your rotten core” and called him “a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac.”

It’s not clear what specifically prompted the message, but it may have been an interview Waters did with Germany’s Berliner Zeitung newspaper in which he said he stood by comments comparing modern Israel to Nazi Germany for its treatment of Palestinians, accused the Israelis of genocide and defended his boycott of the nation.

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Waters has also defended Russian President Vladimir Putin, criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and called U.S. President Joe Biden a war criminal over the war in Ukraine.

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Pink Floyd Feud Spills Out Into Public As Roger Waters, David Gilmour Go At it (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2023 OP
Animals GGoss Feb 2023 #1
Dogs Fullduplexxx Feb 2023 #3
LOL GuppyGal Feb 2023 #43
She aint wrong! jcgoldie Feb 2023 #2
Yup, remember David played Live Aid, and Waters stayed home Johonny Feb 2023 #9
I always came down on Gilmour's side of the feud, now I remember why. catbyte Feb 2023 #4
Roger has always been my man... Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #5
I agree underpants Feb 2023 #6
It sucks when an entertainer crosses that line into something you can't respect jcgoldie Feb 2023 #8
Yep, Clapton is another right wing asshole. lark Feb 2023 #14
Yeah, Clapton. ... Sigh. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #24
Yeah I had hoped he had learned jcgoldie Feb 2023 #33
Yeah, I lost all respect for Clapton. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #27
I love his past song writing, but disdain and can't stand the man he has become. lark Feb 2023 #12
There are several musicians like that for me. yardwork Feb 2023 #26
Ditto Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #28
lip synching, not that GusBob Feb 2023 #7
His voice is shot Zambero Feb 2023 #10
I dunno, some of his pandemic videos he still sounded pretty good for his age Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2023 #17
Those video's were fantastic...especially his two backup singers. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #21
Gilmour and Wright were the better vocalists Zambero Feb 2023 #23
Bazinga. lark Feb 2023 #13
I've always liked Pink Floyd, but Waters is a dick. Definitely with Gilmour on this. themaguffin Feb 2023 #11
Sigh... (More Here): GGoss Feb 2023 #15
I don't ForgedCrank Feb 2023 #16
I don't have a huge problem with Water's prickly nature myself Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2023 #18
Remember this thread from last spring - highplainsdem Feb 2023 #20
I do remember it ... Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2023 #29
I could not have stated it better. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #22
Totally agree with your assessment, H_L. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #25
Well said. Every word of it. Earth-shine Feb 2023 #31
I had generally assumed he chose Putin's version of events because Gilmour Johonny Feb 2023 #34
Prickly nature, eh? EX500rider Feb 2023 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Feb 2023 #19
Roger Waters flew pig balloons with Stars of David Danmel Feb 2023 #30
Lyrics to Waiting for the Worm not exactly Jewish friendly Johonny Feb 2023 #35
uh.....I think you missed the context of The Wall cbdo2007 Feb 2023 #37
Exactly ... side 4 of the album (and esp. in the movie) has Pink portrayed as a drugged-out fascist Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2023 #39
Not really Johonny Feb 2023 #41
I would tend to read it as he has problems with how Israel as a country conducts business Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2023 #40
Yeah, it may have been.. anyone who Cha Feb 2023 #32
Zappa called it. He jammed with them once in 1969 then claimed to forget ever happened. tirebiter Feb 2023 #36
Good for her. Behind the Aegis Feb 2023 #42

Johonny

(25,554 posts)
9. Yup, remember David played Live Aid, and Waters stayed home
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 10:05 AM
Feb 2023

Pink Floyd was one of the few 70s mega acts not to play as a group. But Gilmour still knew it was important enough to find the stage without Waters.

Bob Ezrin has a great story of Waters recruiting him to help with the Wall because he told Bob the other three members were too hard to handle. Bob states he quickly realized the other three were easy to handle and Waters was a pain in the ass.

catbyte

(38,691 posts)
4. I always came down on Gilmour's side of the feud, now I remember why.
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 09:37 AM
Feb 2023

Waters was always too abrasive for me, and now that I see that he's a Putin apologist just seals the deal. Plus, nobody can wring emotion out of a single guitar note as well as Gilmour does.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,541 posts)
5. Roger has always been my man...
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 09:50 AM
Feb 2023

I've learned enough over the past two years to bemoan my past appreciation of the man.
He is a musical genius, but as a human being, not so much.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
8. It sucks when an entertainer crosses that line into something you can't respect
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 10:03 AM
Feb 2023

I had the same reaction to Clapton over the pandemic BS. Another unbelievably talented jackass but I don't think anything he's said has risen to the same level of reprehensibility as Waters.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
24. Yeah, Clapton. ... Sigh.
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 01:31 PM
Feb 2023

Besides the idiotic anti-vaxx stuff, there's also this:

Clapton's life and career are documented in a new film called 'Eric Clapton: Life in 12 Bars', which sees him face up to some pretty disgusting comments that he made in 1976 - namely regarding black immigrants to the UK.

Although he is a key figure in the Rock Against Racism campaign these days, the Daily Mail reports that the former Cream star expressed support for anti-immigrant Tory MP Enoch Powell, and is quoted as saying: “Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the w*gs out. Get the c**ns out. Keep Britain white.”

After the recent London screening of the film, Clapton owned up to the comments and expressed regret. "I was so ashamed of who I was, a kind of semi-racist, which didn’t make sense,” he said. “Half of my friends were black, I dated a black woman and I championed black music’.”


https://entertainment.ie/music/eric-clapton-says-hes-ashamed-of-the-racist-comments-he-made-years-ago-252114/

People are weird and complex.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
33. Yeah I had hoped he had learned
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 03:46 PM
Feb 2023

He made a well publicized racist rant on stage as well in the 70s when he was so trashed he could barely play. He was really fucked up in the mid 70s and frequently cancelled shows. Its all documented in his biographical documentary. But after he lost his son he seemed to get his shit together and his priorities straight. He payed homage to his blues roots and heroes like BB through the late 80s and 90s also charity benefits. He seemed to be a moral redemption story in which tragedy shook him awake. Then covid happened and he seemed to forget all that and start showing his ass regularly…

lark

(25,910 posts)
12. I love his past song writing, but disdain and can't stand the man he has become.
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 10:18 AM
Feb 2023

Glad Gilmour walked away, him I can admire on many many levels!!

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
17. I dunno, some of his pandemic videos he still sounded pretty good for his age
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 11:28 AM
Feb 2023

He's never been a singer with significant range though, so even recreating stuff from his younger years is not that challenging.

I doubt he could still pull off, say, the end part of the song 'The Post War Dream' from The Final Cut, but stuff like his parts in Mother and Comfortably Numb ... he can still do okay.

Zambero

(9,924 posts)
23. Gilmour and Wright were the better vocalists
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 01:14 PM
Feb 2023

The rare and occasional Waters vocal would have sufficed. By "The Wall" had he put himself out front as featured lead vocalist. Great songs notwithstanding, the constant caw from Roger on that album is a bit off-putting. Robbie Robertson as the primary songwriter in The Band had far better singers than himself in that group, and recognizing that limitation, he rarely sang lead himself. I think "Dark Side" had a better vocal balance.

 

GGoss

(1,273 posts)
15. Sigh... (More Here):
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 10:25 AM
Feb 2023
Roger Waters Responds To David Gilmour And Polly Samson Calling Him An Antisemitic, Misogynistic Putin Apologist - StereoGum

The former Pink Floyd leader Roger Waters is a longtime critic of Israel, and he’s also been a vocal critic of Joe Biden in recent months, including Biden in a “war criminal” montage during his This Is Not A Drill tour. In interviews, Waters has blamed NATO aggression for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and he’s written an open letter to the first lady of Ukraine, encouraging her husband, President Volodymyr Zelensky, to sue for peace. In a Rolling Stone interview a few months ago, Waters claimed that he’s on “a kill list that is supported by the Ukrainian government.” Right now, some of Waters’ old collaborators are taking aim at him.

More: https://www.stereogum.com/2213134/roger-waters-responds-to-david-gilmour-and-polly-samson-calling-him-an-antisemitic-misogynistic-putin-apologist/news/

ForgedCrank

(3,034 posts)
16. I don't
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 11:12 AM
Feb 2023

see what all the big deal is.
He doesn't hate Jews, he just sees everything in front of him in a negative light. Roger Waters has never met a subject that he wasn't harshly critical of. He has always been like this, it's what he does.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. I don't have a huge problem with Water's prickly nature myself
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 11:42 AM
Feb 2023

But a big part of that is because I believe in the most important ways, he's a liberal. I'm relatively sure he supports things like protecting the environment, civil rights, gay rights, abortion rights, etc. He's never said/done anything that I recall that was contrary to my most fundamental values as a liberal.

I don't think being critical of the GOVERNMENT of Israel over it's treatment of Palestinians is necessarily equivalent to hating the Jews, as some people seem to want to equate it as. Comparing it the Holocaust is overboard, but I'd need to read the actual quote to determine how offensive it was.

I do have a problem though if he is in any way taking Putin's side over Ukraine. He's always been vigorously anti-war, for obvious reasons, and Putin is the one who started this one. So, my mind is kinda blown over this issue, and it's disappointing to read.

And I also always loved Gilmour ... quite a bit more.

Johonny

(25,554 posts)
34. I had generally assumed he chose Putin's version of events because Gilmour
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 03:56 PM
Feb 2023

was very publicly siding with the Ukraine (for obvious family reasons). I think, Gilmour thinks Roger is just being his usual ass-self about this war. Just like he was pointlessly being an ass over the Animals re-release. Like Waters needed more credit for the album (if anything Rick probably deserves more credit for his work on the album). This is all probably due to David and Nick's ownership of the Pink Floyd name and website and their reluctance to let Roger use it to promote things. Although Roger making an ass of himself is basically why Nick and David are reluctant to let Roger use the Pink Floyd domain name.

EX500rider

(12,214 posts)
38. Prickly nature, eh?
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 04:23 PM
Feb 2023
"A vocal supporter of the so-called “Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions” (BDS) movement targeting the State of Israel for a comprehensive boycott, Waters’ past tours have featured provocative symbols that included flying pigs branded with a Star of David. In recent years, the singer has flirted with more overt antisemitism, drawing widespread condemnation in 2020 when he described the late pro-Israel billionaire philanthropist Sheldon Adelson as a “puppet master” controlling the US government who believed that “only Jews…are completely human.” Responding to Waters’ attack on Adelson, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) accused him of “deranged antisemitism.”"


In recent months, Waters has attracted criticism for his statements supporting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. After Waters gave an interview last August in which he called US President Joe Biden a “war criminal” and blamed NATO for Russia’s aggression, the head of Russia’s National Security Council, Dimitri Medvedev, said that the singer’s comments were proof that there were “still decent people in the West.”


https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/01/23/pressure-grows-in-frankfurt-for-cancelation-of-roger-waters-concert-over-rock-singers-antisemitism/

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Johonny

(25,554 posts)
35. Lyrics to Waiting for the Worm not exactly Jewish friendly
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 03:59 PM
Feb 2023

o smash in their windows and kick in their doors
(Waiting) for the final solution to strengthen the strain
(Waiting) to follow the worms
(Waiting) to turn on the showers and fire the ovens
(Waiting) for the queers and the coons and the reds and the Jews
(Waiting) to follow the worms
Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our colored cousins home again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms
The Worms will reconvene outside Brixton bus station
We'll be moving on at about 12 o'clock down Stockwell Road
At that point we'll be heading towards Lambeth Road, where we will be covering some distance
Leaving 12 minutes to three as we move along Lambeth Road towards Vauxhall bridge
Now, when we get to the other side of Vauxhall Bridge, we're in Westminster Borough area
It's quite possible we may encounter some Jew boys from now on, along the way we go

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
39. Exactly ... side 4 of the album (and esp. in the movie) has Pink portrayed as a drugged-out fascist
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 05:35 PM
Feb 2023

In many ways that album spells out how people descend into fascist behavior in a way that's pretty damn relevant today.

And it's not complimentary when taken in context.

The Wall is very much anti-fascist, although if one cherry-picks lyrics without the full context, as is the case in this post ... it could seem like the opposite.



Johonny

(25,554 posts)
41. Not really
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 05:46 PM
Feb 2023

The Wall is semi-autobiographical. Is Pink really Roger . . . well, yes and no. The Band members have talked extensively about the subject. But in context of other things Roger has said and done, one does wonder if Roger's very heavily covered inner fears of his inner fascist does get the better of him at times just as it gets Pink. As Rick Wright said, The Wall was like a therapy session for Roger that he needed to do, but Rick didn't feel he really needed to do it


If it wasn't for the Nips
Being so good at building ships
The yards would still be open on the Clyde
And that can't be much fun for them
Beneath the rising sun
With all their kids committing suicide

Sure, in context of the character, dropping the slur Nips seems natural. But the rest of the Floyd wasn't dropping a lot of racial slurs like that in their songs. It's a very Roger thing. You get a pass that it's art and the perspective of a character to some point, but once you start putting the star of David on your inflatable pig (offensive on several levels), people do get to reexamine things. And the Wall is semi-autobiographical. Where Roger ends and Pink as just a character begins is very blurred.




 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
40. I would tend to read it as he has problems with how Israel as a country conducts business
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 05:39 PM
Feb 2023

If you don't like Bibi (and/or Sheldon Adelson), does that by extension mean you dislike all ethnic Jews?

Similarly, if you hate Trump, does that mean you hate all white people?

If the Pigs had American flags on the side ... might you be accepting of the statement being made, without assuming it means whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims, and all the others who make up the US population ... all suck?

Just askin'

Cha

(317,138 posts)
32. Yeah, it may have been.. anyone who
Tue Feb 7, 2023, 02:06 PM
Feb 2023

sides with Russia & calls "PJB a war criminal" is Full of Shite.

Behind the Aegis

(55,946 posts)
42. Good for her.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 12:22 AM
Feb 2023

And predictably there are those gaslighting and 'splainin' the "true" nature of anti-Semitism.

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