When it comes to the J6 attack, I still believe this with all my heart and soul.

[fightforfreedom]

Trump on that day was just winging it, hoping for the best. He is Un-believeably lucky.

Trump and his coup plotters had a plan. All their other plans for Trump to remain in power failed. They failed in the courts, the Justice Dept. Flynn wanted a military coup. Rudy warned Trump if they did that they would all go to prison. Trump listened to Rudy.

The plan was to send a violent crowd to the Capital to create chaos, disruption. Then have Mike Pence replace the real electors with the fake electors, then claim victory. The plan had a major flaw. Pence was not on board. They tried for weeks to get Pence on board. He refused. That fact should have cancelled the plan.

However Trump was desperate. This was his last chance to remain in power. So he put the plan in motion. When Trump sent the crowd to the Capital he knew Pence was not on board. To put it simply, Trump was winging it, hoping for the best. That's not a plan.

We don't know what level of Violence Trump was hoping for from the crowd. He had no control over the level of violence. A hundred people could have been killed. Members of Congress could have been killed.

As Trump watched the attack we can tell he was focused on Pence. He was still hoping Pence would join the Coup. That's when he tweeted, Pence has failed us. He was still just winging it, hoping for the best.

I also believe the narcissist in Trump became thrilled while watching the crowd fight for him. He sat there watching it like a video game, refusing to stop it. Finally he realized his plan, that was not really a plan , had failed. He told the crowd to go home.

Trump is a fool, a dumb fuck, who has the luck of the devil.

[FalloutShelter]

1. War Room at the Willard Hotel!

WAR ROOM.

[fightforfreedom]

3. We still don't hear much about the War Room. I have always found that interesting.

The fact remains. They all knew Pence was not on board and the plan could not work without Pence. They moved forward anyways. The COUP of Fools failed and they are all now facing indictments.

[wiggs]

2. I think there was a plan. And Grassley somehow knew he would be counting votes instead

of Pence.

[fightforfreedom]

4. That must have been one hell of a crazy plan. I don't see it.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. I think the plan was for chaos and Trump to declare martial law

He wanted the certification stopped with violence so he could declare martial law and then try to use the powers he had under martial law to say he's not leaving until everything can be figured out. IF that didn't work, he at least wanted some members of Congress to be killed.

[fightforfreedom]

7. He would need the military to do that. That was Flynns plan.

Trump rejected it.

[Johnny2X2X]

9. I think Trump tried to get the military to go along

But they said no thanks.

I still don't think we appreciate how close to the brink our Democracy was. Trump and his cabal used every avenue they could think of to perform a coup. Just a couple more key people go along and Trump would have stayed in power, not sure for how long, but the inaugeration of Biden would have been delayed.

[fightforfreedom]

10. They could have delayed it but it would have never worked in the end. It was dumb as hell.

Some people act like our democracy, our country is weak. It can fall, collapse easily. It's stronger than they think. Our civil war proved that.

[Scrivener7]

11. So the point of this is to say those who feel J6 was a legitimate threat to our

Democracy are wrong?

[fightforfreedom]

15. Do you always look at peoples posts in the most negative way?

[Scrivener7]

18. No, I look at most people's posts here very positively. And you haven't answered the question.

I can see no other interpretation of the post I replied to than that you think those who think J6 was a legitimate threat to our Democracy are wrong.

Is there another way to look at it? If so, what is it?

[BlackSkimmer]

22. Let me know if you get an answer.

I won’t hold my breath.

Very good question.

[hamsterjill]

24. Indeed and good question.

Makes one go “hmmmmm” sometimes, doesn’t it? Some posters seem obsessed with certain subjects and I’ve always wondered why.

P.S. Garland still hasn’t indicted Trump. (That should get a reaction!!! LOL)

[Scrivener7]

27. Will do!

[hamsterjill]

25. Hey, Scrivener!!!

Like BlackSkimmer, I’d like to know if you get an answer.

[Scrivener7]

28. I'll let you know!

[Johnny2X2X]

12. Agree to disagree

Our democracy is only as strong as the people who believe in it. And what Trump has been wildly successful doing is getting about 30% of the country to no longer believe in our Democracy. When you've got roughly 1 out of every 3 people thinking an election was stolen, you have a democracy that could fall.

And the GOP as a whole has crossed a line they can't come back from, they only get more extreme from here on out.

And I don't think the media would have done its job if a coup had been successful. I think within a couple weeks they would have been just parroting the line that, "Well, there were definitely irregularities and we just need to take the time to look into this." They would have normalized it very quickly.

Republicans aren't backing down on this, they no longer want democracy to continue in the US because they know democracy stands in their way to having the power they want. Either we overwhelmingly beat them in the next couple cycles to the point where they have to reinvent their party, or they'll do away with democracy where ever they get power.

[fightforfreedom]

16. That coup could not work in my opinion. It was illegal and stupid.

The only way to end our democracy, take over our country, is to have a full scale civil war. The Military would have to be involved. There are way too many Americans who would defend our democracy to their deaths. I have never once feared Trump would take over our country and become king. For me, that's laughable.

[bluestarone]

21. I actually believe TFG wanted one or two deaths.

THAT would have given HIM, and the rethugs the power they wanted!! I really believe that's how close they came to succeeding! COMPLETE CONTROL. That's why i say don't ever give them a second shot at this!

[Scrivener7]

6. Okay.

[hamsterjill]

8. I'm sure you are right.

I just wonder who threatened Pence into doing the right thing. I will never believe he did it on his own accord. Pence was only too happy to oblige Trump at every turn during the long four years of that horrible nightmare. So I don’t give him the hero status that some in the media seem to want to bestow.

[fightforfreedom]

13. Pence was talking to people and they told him it was not legal.

Pence knew it was illegal so he would not go along with it. Whenever big events happen some people believe there has to be something big behind it. That's how conspiracy theories get started. Most of the time the truth is simple, staring you right in the face.

They needed Pence, Pence asked questions, was told it's illegal. He refused to join the coup. Dumb fuck Trump went with the plan anyways. A plan that was doomed from the beginning.

[hamsterjill]

19. This is not a conspiracy theory.

This is my opinion. Pence is not a hero or he would not have served in that administration as he did. There was a whole lot that was illegal during those four years and Pence looked the other way. I don’t trust him any more than I trust Trump. I don’t buy that he gained a conscience on January 6th. To this day, he has refused to acknowledge that Trump wanted him killed on the 6th. He still takes up for Trump and won’t stand against him.

As you and I have discussed before, there is a big difference in the terms “I know” versus “I think”.

Have a great day!

[fightforfreedom]

20. Pence and Barr did the same thing.

They supported Trump in every way until Trump asked them to join the Coup of Fools. They both believed it was stupid, foolish and illegal. They turned on Trump at that point. They knew this was a line not to be crossed. I do not believe they are heroes for doing this. They were protecting themselves. They are both corrupt assholes. They simply are a little smarter than the coup plotters.

All of this was shown during the committee hearings.

[BlackSkimmer]

23. Agree. nt

[Chainfire]

14. There is the possibility that Trump thought that the takeover of the Capitol

would light the fuse to a civil war, that his National Republican Army (NRA) would come out all over the country and that he would become, in effect, a king for life.

[fightforfreedom]

17. Trump is stupid enough to believe something like that.

[lees1975]

26. And he's still walking around free without being indicted for his crimes.

And this was criminal, seditious conspiracy against the United States. He should be in prison now.

[FakeNoose]

29. You're almost right

If Mike Pence had done what Chump wanted on January 6, then he would have thrown out the "real" delegates names and recognized the "fake" delegates instead. There would have been 4 states - the swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and maybe one other - and it would have brought the certification to a halt. That's what they were actually trying to do - stop the certification of Joe Biden's Presidency.

If that had actually happened, the Constitution says that it's no longer up to the Electoral College to certify the new President. It goes back to the State governments to each vote as a body to certify the election of the President. For example, even though the voters of Pennsylvania elected Biden, the PA legislature at that time was majority Repuke, and the legislature would have voted for Chump. Same with Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and enough other swing states so that Chump would "win."

This little-known contingency in our US Constitution has never been tested because it never got that far. Our Presidential election winners have always been recognized by both parties. I have no doubt that if Chump had pulled that off it would have become a Civil War for sure.

And Chump wasn't lucky - we American citizens were the lucky ones.