Trump was so desperate, stupid, he ignored he was about to lose what protected him.

[fightforfreedom]

The office of the president and an extremely corrupt AG. People rightfully bring up the fact Trump got away with everything as president.

The reason that happened is because the Republicans in Congress protected him and Barr sabotaged all the investigations. When Garland took office he had to choose from a long list of possible investigations to start or restart. He couldn't investigate all of them. It was obvious the attempted coup took priority. Then Garland had to also deal with the secret document investigation.

It looks like Trump was so desperate he was calling everyone he could think of to help him over turn the election. He was not being careful. It looks like more than one person he talked too recorded those phone calls and prosecutors have those recordings.

In a recent post I stated Trump and the coup plotters made a major mistake, they made a lot of them. They got way too many people involved in the coup. We are now learning Willis, the DOJ, have a long list of people who are cooperating. A long list of people to grant immunity to. People will turn, give evidence, in order to save themselves from going to prison. The DOJ and Willis are targeting the higher ups.

The DOJ and Willis have more evidence than the J6 committee had and we all know the committee had a lot of evidence. The DOJ and Willis have better tools, power, than the committee had to gather evidence.

Trump is now a civilian. No presidency to protect him, No AG to sabotage investigations. All he has left is lawyers who help him delay the inevitable. Indictment. Justice is coming. Fuck Trump.

[gab13by13]

1. Merrick Garland

Declined to indict individual one for political reasons, not for lack of evidence.

[fightforfreedom]

3. Garland could not investigate everything. It's impossible. Trump committed countless crimes.

Garland had to prioritize what investigations to start or restart. The DA in Manhattan is now investigating Individual 1. That's all that matters now. Your opinion on Garland is well known.

[gab13by13]

4. The case was done, laid out by Mueller

Forget about individuals, why didn’t Garland indict?
The federal law is easier to indict than the state law the way they are written.
I doubt Bragg will indict, it’s harder at the state level.

[fightforfreedom]

5. If you are so concerned about this you should write Garland and Biden.

Ask Garland why he didn't indict individual 1, why he didn't reopen the Mueller investigation. Write a letter to Biden, ask him why he picked Garland who you believe has been extremely negligent. Ask Biden to remove him.

[Chakaconcarne]

9. I don't think that person needs to write Garland or Biden..

They already have all the details and know all the answers..

[fightforfreedom]

11. No they don't.

[gab13by13]

33. We know why Garland didn't indict.

Write a letter to Mike Lee and ask him why he referred Garland to President Obama?
Write a letter to the 20 Republican Senators who confirmed Garland and ask them why?

[Joinfortmill]

29. I suspect there is much we don't know about Trump's crimes.

[we can do it]

8. 🥱😴

[wnylib]

12. Speaking of evidence, what is your evidence

for claiming that Garland declined to indict, or that he had political motives for supposedly declining to indict?

Have you taken occlumency lessons from Harry Potter? Consulted with a mind reading psychic? I can't think of any legitimate source for making those claims about Garland.

[33taw]

17. I don't think the DOJ believed they could get a conviction. All Trump needed was a single

Juror to holdout and the trial would have been a wasted. There will always be a least one Trump supporter among 12 people.

[gab13by13]

36. Individual one was an unindicted co-conspirator

Pretty sad the other co-conspirator went to jail but the statute of limitations was allowed to expire for Trump.

It seems to me the DC court is doing a fine job convicting Trump traitors. If we are afraid to indict Trump because of 1 Magat juror then we may as well kiss our democracy goodbye because the insurrection is still going on.

[33taw]

38. Prosecutors generally don't take cases to trial that they don't believe they can get a conviction on

. Getting a conviction on an average citizen is way less difficult than convicting a former president.

[Lovie777]

2. shithole is so desperate.........

his GQP comrades are screaming for a divorce, shithole is openly aligning with Un of NK and reconfirming his support and love for Putin.

His embrace for un-American policies, family and friends are bracing for a possible coup number 2.

[wnylib]

15. He might very well try coup #2 when he is indicted.

I could easily imagine him riling up his followers to defend him against "unjust political persecution."

[lonely bird]

6. We are two years on

When it happens I will cheer.

Until then I will wait.

[Lucky Luciano]

7. Let me know when something materializes

[fightforfreedom]

10. OK, I am letting you know now.

We now have confirmation the Special Grand Jury in Georgia recommended over a dozen people be indicted. That is a big deal.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

21. Recommend for indictment.

Until they are actually indicted, and I'm not holding my breath, nothing has changed.

[Beastly Boy]

27. A lot has changed

Multiple people recommended for indictment by a special grand jury. It's a bigger effing deal than the J6 Committee recommendation, and THAT was a big effing deal.

And that's just on state charges. It is likely to affect federal investigation as well.

[Joinfortmill]

30. I agree. The naysayers confound me. Why wouldn't they celebrate being a step closer to indictment?

[gab13by13]

35. I can't think of anyone here who has said

One bad word about Fani Willis.

My question is, why is Fani so far ahead of DOJ?

Why was the J6 committee so far ahead of DOJ?

Why was DOJ shocked into action by Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony?

[Beastly Boy]

58. Is this some sort of a horse race?

Fanni Willis started her investigation in February 2021. No indictments to date

The J6 committee was formend on July 1 2021. No indictments to date.

DOJ Capitol Breach investigation started on January 6, 2021. Over 1000 indictments to date.

So who is far ahead of whom? And wht do you think DOJ was shocked into action by anyone?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

52. What hasn't changed is no indictments.

People here have been predicting indictments and trials for well over two years now. I have zero faith Trump or any of those at the highest level will face any consequences.

If I am wrong, I will be happy to post a very public apology for my doubt.

[Beastly Boy]

60. There have been over 1000 indictments from DOJ to date.

Those who have been predicting indictments have been absolutely right.

And I have yet to see a single apology from those who have been proven wrong so far.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

61. Meanwhile, Trump, all his corrupt lawyers

and all the others at the top who encouraged the January 6 insurrection have not been indicted.

It's those at the top I care most about. Yeah, it's good that a number of the insurrectionists will spend some jail time, but if those who actually fostered what happened that day don't get punishment, it hardly matters.

If Trump doesn't die in prison justice will not have been served.

[Beastly Boy]

62. Let's be clear:

the 1000 or so indicted rioters were among those who not just encouraged, but actually fostered and participated in the events of 1/6, and their indictments make a hell of a change. Still, it is your view that they hardly matter. I totally disagree: without them, the events of 1/6 would not have happened at all.

You likely meant to be more specific than that, and were referring to those who planned, organized and directed the rioters. Those would be the individuals at the top that you care most about, and I presume your frustration comes from none of them being indicted. But you would certainly agree, people like Tarrio and Rhodes, and about a dozen others, would be among those who planned, and organized the Capitol breach on 1/6 and directed the rioters, no? And they had been indicted and convicted. So even within your very narrow definition of those at the top, which likely encompasses a few dozen people or so, there had been indictments and even convictions.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

63. It's not that they don't matter.

It's that they are hardly household names. So long as Trump isn't prosecuted, 100,000 indicted and convicted rioters won't make a difference. If Trump doesn't face actual, real consequences, he will tell lies in the evening of November 5, 2024 about how any and all results in favor of Democrats, not Republicans, are false. He'll do his best to once again overthrow the duly elected President, and very possibly many other duly elected people.

[Beastly Boy]

64. What do the names of the indicted rioters have to do with their crimes?

If they are hardly household names, how does this detract from their crimes?

Are you suggesting that he crimes committed by the household names should be given more weight than those committed by the non-household names, and that their crimes don't make a difference in a justice system where people are judged by their crimes and not by their names? Are you suggesting that their crimes should be disregarded as long as Trump doesn't face real, actual consequences? And how does being investigated and possibly being subpoenaed NOT constitute consequences? And how does the J6 Committee report Not constitute consequences for Trump? And finally, what role do possible future crimes not yet committed play in the prosecution of past crimes in our justice system?

It sounds to me like you are advocating in favor of a weird dystopian justice system out of some science fiction flick that is completely antithetical to our own, where fears of crimes to be committed in the future are given more weight than the crimes that have already been committed in the past.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

65. The only thing I'm advocating is that Donald Trump actually

be indicted, tried, and sent to jail. So why is it that so many minions who showed up on Capital Hill two years ago have actually been tried, and so far zero consequences for Trump? Guiliani? Sidney Powell? And so many others.

Oh, and how many of those around Trump have ignored subpoenas? A mere report isn't even a slap on the wrist. If you're okay with them saying "Shame, shame, don't do it again" is sufficient, well I don't agree. A *possible* subpoena is meaningless. And I'm not expecting any possible future crimes to be considered here and now by the justice system, but everyone should be crystal clear in their understanding that so many of these people are absolutely determined to take away the right to vote as much as possible, and if that's not sufficient for them to get the election results they want, to lie and lie and lie some more.

[Jarqui]

13. You look at all the legal issues Trump facing

https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/
Some compounded by what he did Jan 6th ..

The Oval Office and a corrupt AG gave him cover.
Losing them would expose him.
So he was desperate as these legal efforts closed in.
Guy loses the election in Nov 2020.
He doesn't have a lot of time nor any legal options (as the 62 election case losses proved).
Again, he's desperate with all the legal probes coming at him.
So his Hail Mary, in the wake of other failed efforts, was the Jan 6th insurrection.
He proved that there is no obvious, simple and straightforward way to overthrow the USA.
Now, he and those who enabled him need to pay a hefty price for their criminal behavior.

[fightforfreedom]

19. Good post.

[calimary]

24. I sure hope you're right.

That orange bastard needs to face actual charges.

He CANNOT be allowed to wriggle free.

He CANNOT be allowed to get away with it.

What will that say about our system of justice and that neat little “equal protection under law” thing?

How do we stand out there and preach to others about “liberty and justice for all” if we let this snake slither away without facing any accountability for the crimes he committed - out in the open?

How would - or could - this EVER be justified?

And what kind of legal precedent would this set?

[gab13by13]

37. Good post.

[Jarqui]

42. I think the whole enchilada is at stake here.

Is this a nation of laws or is it not a nation of laws?
Simple question.
And when you cut through all the lying and misinformation, it is a simple answer.

Party to it is all the lying and misinformation and money by the enablers.

I believe in the American people.
Like anywhere else, there are some wackos and crooks.
But the vast majority: you tell them the truth, and they will come down on the side of right every time.
I've watched it all my life. It has always come to pass.
BUT you have to tell them the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

The problem right now is many Republicans and MAGAts have been lied to and misled for decades.
The media - the great arbiter for democracy, is owned by American oligarchs who put their tax breaks ahead of the country.

Fairness doctrine.
Citizens United.

It has led to Americans fighting among themselves when the real enemies are in Russia or China or North Korea or elsewhere.

We need to get the money and the bullshit out of American politics.
The MAGAts claim they want their country back.
Get the money and bullshit out, they'll have it. Sadly, they don't understand it that way.

[calimary]

43. Excellent post!

[FakeNoose]

44. Everything you say is correct, but the Fairness Doctrine is gone and will never return

The Citizens United ruling can be overturned (possibly) or if not overturned, Congress must codify all campaign donation laws. Every last one, and candidates all need to be thoroughly checked and continually audited. It's doable but it's also Herculean.

The "fairness doctrine" was a quaint old-fashioned concept that was enforced by the broadcast networks - the old geezers NBC, CBS, ABC - because they refused to allow politicians to grandstand without paying for the airtime. Whenever they did allow airtime to one candidate or party, they had to give the equivalent for the opposing candidate or party. That's what "fairness doctrine" meant. That's why Sarah Sanders got to give her BS comments (free airtime) after Joe Biden's State of the Union address.

The old geezer networks don't have to do that any more, unless they want to. But they weren't the problem anyway. It's the cable news stations and networks. It's the internet. It's the dark web. Email. Cellphone texts. Anyone can get in our faces and lie their asses off, unless they're under oath. Sometimes they even get away with lying under oath. The poorly educated and gullible among us get scammed and hoodwinked constantly.

I don't have a solution for this. Do you?

[Jarqui]

59. No. Not a complete one. ..nt

[Joinfortmill]

31. Amen.

[Justice matters.]

41. hair furhair failed (the first time) because Pence refused to play his part in the plot.

Pence also played along by not alerting the FBI an illegal coup was coming while he knew what they were planing to do until LE officers paid the price with their lives and health conditions.

The Individual 1 case was ready to go to trial as a co-conspirator to the guy who went to prison for it. There were tapes, like in Georgia. No way a Juror would hang the Jury on citizen hair furhair in New York.

[Escurumbele]

14. "People will turn, give evidence...", those who have figured out that trump will throw them

under the bus the first chance he gets to save his skin will do what you are saying, I hope it is the majority of them.

And many of his lawyers are lawyering up because they have committed unethical actions, some of them will loose their licenses.

Good post...hope you are 100% right.

[Wounded Bear]

16. Your keyboard to god's monitor...nt

[malaise]

18. Ditto

Indict the fucker!

[Joinfortmill]

32. And do it more than once!

[Botany]

20. "All he has left is lawyers ..."

My favorite is Alina Habba the New Jersey parking garage & parking lot lawyer who
just before she has tried to appeal the $1,000,000 fine a judge gave her and Trump
for being a pain in the ass, filing junk lawsuits, and wasting the court's time Habba
said that all judges are crooks. Good move Ms. Habba.

[Farmer-Rick]

22. Back when TFG ran for election against Biden,

He knew his only chance to hide all his crimes was to get reelected.

And what did he do to ensure the voters reelected him? He let hundreds of thousands die from Covid while pretending there was no COVID. He gave the filthy rich tax giveaways. He gave the filthy rich ppp loans they did not have to pay back.

But no, he did absolutely nothing for the average American voter to want to vote for him. All he did was propagandize. Then he tried to rig the election, tried to deny his obvious loss, tried an insurrection. All the while he kept pumping out the propaganda.

And it almost worked. He got a ton of votes from the idiots in our democracy but not enough.

What kind of democracy is this anyway? When it's easier to con, propagandize, buy off the filthy rich and break the law then to appeal to the majority of people who will be voting for you?

Is this how oligarchies work?

[Chainfire]

23. We will at least know where we stand pretty soon.

If Georgia indicts a bunch of pen pushers and gofers, leaving the principal criminals untouched, it will tell us volumes. Rudy may get bit, for perjury, and that would make headlines, but as far as I am concerned, he is just another paid gofer. Nothing is meaningful until the head of the crime family has to face the music.

[calimary]

25. Agreed!

[fightforfreedom]

26. That is true.

But this investigation was directly about Trump. That's who the Special Grand Jury was looking at. Hard to imagine Trump is not one of the people recommended to be indicted.

[Beastly Boy]

34. Is punisihng the guilty on all levels not meaningful?

I disagree

[gab13by13]

40. What did a officer Dunne say?

He said if a hit man kills someone he goes to jail, but the man who hired him goes to jail too.

Do you understand what Officer Dunne meant?

[Beastly Boy]

46. That's not te answer to my question. That is not even a question to my question.

I was responding to "Nothing is meaningful until the head of the crime family has to face the music."

Nothing? I thought Officer Dunn meant that, in his analogy, both the hitman AND the man who hired him BOTH go to jail. That would mean when a hitman goes to jail, it is not nothing.

Now tell me, do YOU understand what Officer Dunn meant?

[Chainfire]

45. You think that you intentionally miss the point, so I will spell it out.

It is my fear that ONLY the bottom rungs of the latter will be tread upon and that is not justice, no matter how you slant it. That is what we have seen two years out. If an army of Justice attorneys haven't brought charges, to high ranking officials, to date, there is full justification in questioning if they ever will. Almost 900 knuckle draggers have been charged in the Jan. 6 rebellion. How many people in leadership positions, how many financiers, how many members of Congress? How many Presidents?

I have no apologies for the Justice Department dragging their feet. Every day that Trump continues to reside in his palace, and continues to spread his lies, is an injustice to the American people. The clear message is that, while all Americans are equal, some are more equal than others...

[fightforfreedom]

47. I understand your fears, but there is one problem.

There is no evidence the DOJ is dragging their feet. All the evidence suggests they are going after Trump and the coup plotters. We do have a history where people at the top get away with their crimes. We also have a history where they do not. Watergate is one example.

Nixon was the first president forced to resign in our history. His AG, Chief of Staff, Meadows position, Whitehouse counsel, and others went to prison. For less serious crimes. This fact is ignored by those who believe nothing is going to happen to the coup plotters, who have committed some of the most serious crimes in our history.

[Chainfire]

48. I wonder if that there is any date to which you might accept that you have been duped?

July? November? Next year? As I recall, they were still investigating the Kennedy assination in 1976... Will you give DOJ 13 years to file a charge?

[fightforfreedom]

49. Tell me the exact date when it is too late to bring forth indictments.

Then I can answer your question.

[Chainfire]

51. The clock is ticking toward the next Presidential election.

Indictment to trial would be how long? Back that up from the time that Justice will put the case down until "after the elections." So, basically yesterday...

It has been two years since we all witnessed, live and in color, the largest political crime that has been committed in our history. Investigating should have already been over and prosecutions well under way. We watched Trump incite a rebellion on TV...Maybe Justice was busy that day and missed it.

[fightforfreedom]

53. Give me the date when it is too late.

[Beastly Boy]

50. Oh, I get your point loud and clear.

Feeding your fears requires overlooking every event that does not directly reinforce them, even when the trajectory towards relieving your fear is made evident by the progression of events on the ground.

Feeding your fear goes even further: it requires blind disregard for the fact that certain "principal criminals", as you call them, have already been indicted and/or convicted. Examples: Tarrio and Rhodes. Not only are they principal criminals, but they are leaders of two gangs of principal criminals who have all been indicted.

And further evidence of your desire to feed your fear is self-evident in the derogatory description of the pace of the investigation conducted by highly trained DOJ professionals (whom you contemtuously call "pencil pushers&quot and your unilateral exercise of discretion in placing time constraints on DOJ to pursue complex legal matters beyond your expertise. This is not mere absence of apologies - it is gratuitous contempt whose sole purpose is to deflect from facts so poorly founded fears can take center stage.

[Autumn]

54. Some things are not missed. Just ignored.

So many of the people in on these crimes have let the cat out of the bag on their crimes. None of them in Congress are on trial.

[Chainfire]

55. Nor are any other highly placed politicians.

In fact, it is only the grunts that have had to face justice. For people who are willing to accept that without complaint, all I can say is bless their hearts.

[Autumn]

56. It's being proved that there are tiers of justice. We are at the bottom.

Yep.

[Chainfire]

57. Right, and we will get to Trump through Billy Bob from Tulsa...

[Joinfortmill]

28. Love this! I would add that the DOJ & Willis are being very careful to get it right.

[flying_wahini]

39. A swing is as good as a miss, eh?