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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just listened to a discussion of Russian atrocities on MSNBC and one that was mentioned was the
kidnapping of Ukrainian children and transporting them to Russia without their parents.
Yep! Only monsters would take children from their parents, right?
Right?
2naSalit
(87,184 posts)That Cro magnon SOB and Abbott the texASS hole.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)wnylib
(21,906 posts)Hekate
(91,246 posts)
shameful doesnt make any one perp unique.
Russia and China are both real good at this re-education camp business in the here and now and back in Soviet days. Neither the Tibetans nor the Uighurs want their children taught only in Chinese with books available only in Chinese, yet this cultural genocide continues. In the US and Canada, indigenous tribes didnt want their children taken off to English-language boarding schools, either.
At least democracies have the means, motive, and opportunity to try to make amends. Dictatorships make it a crime to even notice.
yardwork
(61,860 posts)mopinko
(70,470 posts)basically said- to putler, tfg, and esp j6, proves democracy doesnt work, and we arent any better than him. that j6 will never be forgotten in russia.
sadly, i think the world agrees. gonna take a long time to live down that black eye.
LymphocyteLover
(5,684 posts)was able to screw up our democracy? Genius.
mopinko
(70,470 posts)paleotn
(18,041 posts)Democracy is messy. Always has been by its very nature. So, it's not fair to compare it to the supposed predictability of totalitarian regimes. But for all its messiness, it works. And J6 was no where near the greatest test our democracy has faced. 600K+ dead Americans in the Civil War can attest to that.
yardwork
(61,860 posts)Snyder is an expert on Putin, Russia, and the history of Eastern Europe. He knows how they think. Unfortunately, there are plenty of Americans ready to go down the same totalitarian route.
I believe in democracy and I agree with you that it's messy, but that makes us resilient.
uponit7771
(90,380 posts)... and the people actually choose them.
Neither of those existed with TFG and MAGA
yardwork
(61,860 posts)I trust Snyder on how Putin thinks. So far, he's been right.
LymphocyteLover
(5,684 posts)clearly Russia is an evil terrorist state and taking children is a war crime
SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)as in separating kids from families at the border?
Bluethroughu
(5,219 posts)Remember, he removed them from their parents and put them in cages.
Mililani had worn a jacket that said, "I don't care, do you".
Farmer-Rick
(10,272 posts)I bet Putin did too.
uponit7771
(90,380 posts)... and they're bold AF being against abortion, democracy and social security.
LymphocyteLover
(5,684 posts)Jesus, it's so insane
Bluethroughu
(5,219 posts)He's a bloated orange puss filled bacteria.
LymphocyteLover
(5,684 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,733 posts)I read about it over 6 months ago.
Evolve Dammit
(16,889 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,733 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,889 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,647 posts)It probably goes further than I am aware of, but this was a long standing practice in the Ottoman empire. If you've heard of Janissars, they were the elite warriors in the Ottoman army. They were overwhelmingly made up of Christian children kidnapped at an early age from conquered territories and raised as Muslims, given the best care and military education to become the most loyal defenders of the Empire.
This is what Putin is trying to emulate. It is far more sinister than just separating children from their parents. It is a tool to rule an empire. The problem with putin is, there will be no empire to rule when Ukrainian children grow up.
stopdiggin
(11,466 posts)layers to this than the simple cruelty of 'stealing children.' (although there's plenty of debasement to point to right there)
90-percent
(6,838 posts)Isn't Stephan Miller. the former child cruelty tsar for the TFG administration, now a overpaid consultant to pooty-poot? Or was pooty-poot advising him while he was in the mango Mussolini administration?
Biden has reunited about 600 families that had their children kidnapped by the United States of America. Has Tucker eviscerated him for this overwhelming act of kindness yet?
-90% Jimmy
FakeNoose
(33,042 posts)That Stephen Miller is still in Washington kicking up as much trouble as he can. He's heading up America First Legal, which he says is the right wing's answer to the ACLU.
Here's his website, but don't spend too much time there: https://aflegal.org/
And for heaven's sake don't donate any money!
barbtries
(28,835 posts)when trump did it as well, you are correct.
will justice ever even come close for those families - hm. who?
Boomerproud
(8,008 posts).I think that's pretty obvious.
LakeArenal
(28,935 posts)paleotn
(18,041 posts)And since when has Russia, in its various forms, ever given a shit about basic human rights? Like never.
It seems the evolution of liberalism (inalienable rights, equality under the law, etc.) just never took in Russia like it did the West for various reasons. The Russian view of such things seems stunted. If you look at it from the view that Russian government is still a medieval regime, their actions begin to make sense. This is something you'd not be surprised of from Ivan the Terrible. They've not evolved much beyond that.
wnylib
(21,906 posts)Russians don't like democracy.
onecaliberal
(33,080 posts)rubbersole
(6,802 posts)The immanent collapse of the Russian economy and being the world's biggest pariah state will be pootie's legacy.
whathehell
(29,135 posts)in front of their parents, an even greater "crime against humanity", I'd say.
https://uacrisis.org/en/rosijski-soldaty-gvaltuyut-ditej-na-ochah-batkiv-na-harkivshhyni#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16773394763531&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fuacrisis.org%2Fen%2Frosijski-soldaty-gvaltuyut-ditej-na-ochah-batkiv-na-harkivshhyni
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16773399789752&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Frussian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168
republianmushroom
(14,092 posts)cstanleytech
(26,390 posts)their government to agree to the Russian terms for peace if the want their children back.
roamer65
(36,749 posts)That should be the requirement for removal of sanctions, breakaway and become an independent republic.
The sanctions should become the vehicle for the breakup of the RF.
blue-wave
(4,390 posts)are genocidal butchers. War crimes trails MUST be held. Open the courts at Nuremberg and dust off the gallows.
PostTruth
(19 posts)Indoctrination. Kidnapping. It's so terrible. Scarred for life.
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